I noticed Hornady is starting to promote the 25 Creedmoor with brass and bullets, seems like 2025 would be the natural year for it be released as a factory cartridge/rifle and all the murmurings point to that. What have y'all heard? Maybe 25 PRC instead, or a completely different 25?

Hornady stays out front.

I have no doubt they will push the quarter bore Creedmoor.

I already have a reamer. Berger makes some good bullets for it. I'm going to see what it can do.

I got on this train a couple years ago, It is a good round. With Alpha making brass for it now, it is even easier.

Only 2 bullets in market really to support it. I’m sure Hornady will release and eldx and Eldm

I'd bet a paycheck that they do.

Mo fasta than a 6.5 mm

More bullet weight and BC than a 6 mm.

That's what I see in it.

Whats the barrel life?

At least 800, I know that much. Im out of Blackjack's, Im about to try the 133 Bergers, however the new 138 ELDM looks promising. It will make it easier for the NRL hunter guys to make power factor.

I’d be interested if I didn’t already have a 6.5CM.

I wish Hornady would do some kind of 7mm short action cartridge. Something like the 7 Sherman Short would be sweet

I know the .260 Rem and the 6.5 Creedmoor are shot out at 2500 rounds. 140 gr at 2780 fps.

My educated guess is the 25 Creedmoor won't quite make 2000 rounds.

I've called brass makers, asking nicely to make 7mm-08 A.I. They don't want to spend the money on it because it isn't popular enough. I explained that it would be popular if we were not relegated to only fire forming or hydro forming brass. If you build it, they will come.

If someone would make 7mm-08 A.I. brass, that would be my next build.

I saw your write-up on Tactical Gun Review, 162 gr 7mm bullet at 2800+ fps, and with the low recoil of the 7-08, such an amazing all-around cartridge!

A lot of 7-08 ai shots factory 7-08 loads very very well. When you figure you need 100 -200 rds for barrel to speed up, it’s a when when

While fire forming, you're getting 7mm-08 ballistics.

Time and again, I've seen them shoot 1/4 MOA while forming brass.

Like Bobo said, getting 200 pieces of brass and just run it, until they are all formed. After that, your barrel is in premium shape. Do your next load development.

Does someone make 7mm-08 A.I. dies for after the brass is fire-formed? This sounds like a better option than a 7mm SAUM because 7mm-08 brass is easy to get then you just fire form it.

I have Redding 7mm-08 Ackley Improved dies.

You may have to wait on them, but they will get to you eventually.

Thanks for your help JG!

Build a 7mm SAW, it’s the same thing. You can get brass and from West TX Ordnance.

https://westtexordnance.com/home-extended/special-cartridges/7mm-saw/

Redding and SAC dies are available. SAC is in stock.



7mm SAW is not really the same thing. Relying on small primers to run higher pressures in a lower volume chamber.

Not exactly apples to apples it’s not a bad round either.

Today was Peterson .308 SRP necked down to 7mm-08, and loaded with a CCI-450. Fire forming in a 7mm-08 A.I. chamber.

It worked extremely well.

Dang, reading about the 7mm SAW, I'm liking it a lot. Can buy brass and dies from WTO. Seems like an easy set up to use and reload. Their Switchlug product is interesting too. Makes it really easy to rebarrel a rifle.

How is the 7mm Shaw different than 7mm-08 AI? Is it just the SRP brass? 7mm-08 AI can be made using SRP brass also.

The ballistics look almost identical from what I'm seeing. The main benefit I see is you can buy brass for it, no fire forming required. It's also the same length as .308 brass so if you want to buy .308 brass to make 7mm SAW brass, you just run it through the sizing die and load.

Yesterday, this was Peterson .308 SRP necked down to 7mm-08, CCI-450, and getting fire formed in a 7mm-08 A.I. chamber.



The necked down brass has a bit of a donut at the bottom of the case neck. It makes it tough to get the bolt to rotate closed. Muscle it down and fire it. Out comes 7mm-08 A.I. brass.

Noticed 25 Creedmoor is officially SAAMI spec'd now: https://saami.org/technical-information/cartridge-chamber-drawings/

Seems like an open secret based on SHOT Show coverage that it will be released sometime this year. I'm curious where it falls with respect to with the other 25s like 250 Savage, 257 Roberts, 25-06? Is it more of a 257 Roberts with higher BC bullets or more of a 25-06 with higher BC bullets? If it's the former, I'm guessing a 25 PRC won't be far behind?