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Lost our lease
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09/16/24 03:58 PM
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bigcoyote
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Just got word the landowner sold the place out from under us (wilhunt and I. He’s been there 23 years.) Need to vacate by Jan 19…so looking to get on lists for next year. Hopefully be able to move our crap before then 2-4 responsible hunters in the Hill Country/ San Saba county now. Open to all the counties bordering it. Maybe more. No far west or far east TX.
Last edited by bigcoyote; 09/16/24 04:01 PM.
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Re: Lost our lease
[Re: bigcoyote]
#9108427
09/16/24 04:51 PM
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Wilhunt
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It is tough after being on the Hunting lease that long. Was a nice place with very good owner, We do get to hunt this season which is a plus. Not the best of hunting but still a nice place to go whenever we wanted...
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Re: Lost our lease
[Re: bigcoyote]
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09/16/24 08:14 PM
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68rustbucket
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At least you got a few months notice. Gonna be filling your tags this season?
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Re: Lost our lease
[Re: bigcoyote]
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09/16/24 08:22 PM
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that stinks!!! had it happen a few times but the new owners wanted everyone gone before season started, at least you have a little bit of time to hunt and get your stuff.
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Re: Lost our lease
[Re: bigcoyote]
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09/16/24 08:46 PM
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Good luck finding a new spot!
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Re: Lost our lease
[Re: 68rustbucket]
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09/16/24 09:41 PM
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Wilhunt
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At least you got a few months notice. Gonna be filling your tags this season? Probably not.
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Re: Lost our lease
[Re: bigcoyote]
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09/17/24 02:37 AM
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Same situation, we had to be off in April and it sold last month.
I'd ask him if he's pregnant. He missed a s__tload of periods. I'll take "things that look like a uterus" for $200 Alex.
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Re: Lost our lease
[Re: bigcoyote]
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09/17/24 05:08 AM
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Feel your pain, unfortunately for me I was hunting with my dad and his buddies when it happened and years later I'm still trying to find a group I fit well with. Best of luck.
Lease went back 40+ years of my family leasing the land. They didn't sale, just built new homestead and stopped leasing.
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Re: Lost our lease
[Re: 68rustbucket]
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09/17/24 01:41 PM
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Not likely. Too few deer there. Maybe with pigs 😉
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Re: Lost our lease
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09/17/24 03:02 PM
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Wilhunt
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Feel your pain, unfortunately for me I was hunting with my dad and his buddies when it happened and years later I'm still trying to find a group I fit well with. Best of luck.
Lease went back 40+ years of my family leasing the land. They didn't sale, just built new homestead and stopped leasing. 40 years wow! that would really be a tough one. Maybe this is the year for things to go your way.
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Re: Lost our lease
[Re: bigcoyote]
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09/17/24 11:10 PM
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I feel your pain - my Dad was on one back in the 1950's to the mid 1970's -
we have been on our place 17 years now - unfortunately it is the way of the world today - grandparents or parents own a ranch and once they pass away the kids have no interest or connection so they sell it - you will find a new one - you have to work at it but something will come along
You can't fix stupid
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Re: Lost our lease
[Re: bigcoyote]
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09/18/24 12:14 AM
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Not likely. Too few deer there. Maybe with pigs 😉 Low deer deer count in the Hill Country? Guess 1 hunter per 100 acres has its issues.
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Re: Lost our lease
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09/18/24 12:21 AM
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I feel your pain - my Dad was on one back in the 1950's to the mid 1970's -
we have been on our place 17 years now - unfortunately it is the way of the world today - grandparents or parents own a ranch and once they pass away the kids have no interest or connection so they sell it - you will find a new one - you have to work at it but something will come along I've experienced it too, but let's not blame owners or their heirs too terribly much. Afterall, it is their land. Sometimes the heirs have plenty of connection to a ranch, but selling is the most equitable (and I daresay the smartest) way to distribute the inheritance. Our 4 have been told they WILL sell the place as soon as feasible, if we don't sell it before we cross over. And our kids get along! One thing about losing a lease - you learn real quick what you will and won't put on the next one. Best of luck to y'all and I hope you find an even better place.
...and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth. Gen. 1:28
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Re: Lost our lease
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09/18/24 01:44 AM
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Dave Davidson
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Happened to me twice a LONG time ago. I bought my own little 133 acre POS place that isnt good for anything but hunting, fishing, 4wheelering and raising grandkids.
Without a sense of urgency, nothing ever happens.
Boy, if I say "sic em", you'd better look for something to bite. Sam Shelley, Rancher Muleshoe Texas 1892-1985 RIP
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Re: Lost our lease
[Re: 68rustbucket]
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09/18/24 02:05 AM
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bigcoyote
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Not likely. Too few deer there. Maybe with pigs 😉 Low deer deer count in the Hill Country? Guess 1 hunter per 100 acres has its issues. More like 1 per 50 actually.
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Re: Lost our lease
[Re: bigcoyote]
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09/18/24 01:34 PM
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I would check www.leasehunter.com several times a day - leases pop up there
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Re: Lost our lease
[Re: tlk]
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09/18/24 02:20 PM
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Good thought. The only problem is those are available now…and we”d need to pay for 2 places at once for this season. I’ll bring this back up in December when someone might be dropping off. I know some managers keep a waiting list for that pirpose.
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Re: Lost our lease
[Re: bigcoyote]
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11/26/24 04:20 PM
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We’ll be starting to tear down soon. 1-4 hunters. Need to be out by 1/19/25. Any upcoming openings nearby (Cherokee, San Saba County) would be welcome to simplify the move. For me alone, everything between Abilene, Red River, Texarkana and Hill Country is possible. Prefer under $2,500
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Re: Lost our lease
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12/20/24 04:08 PM
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Wilhunt
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Getting close to the date to be off our lease. As mentioned earlier have been on this lease 23 years. Would like to find something near San Saba, Mills, Lampasas or Burnet counties. Maybe i should say roughly 150 miles North, South or West of New Braunfels. Senior hunter that will help take care of property with respect for animals. Water and electric would-be a plus. If you have info that might be helpful in my search, please contact me on this forum, I check it daily
Thanks!
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Re: Lost our lease
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12/20/24 04:55 PM
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Folks complain that they lost their lease because the landowner sold.
My brother forced the sale of the place this year.
We had been there for 59 years, I got to hunt opening weekend and that ends my deer hunting forever at my age.
Losing your lease is not as bad as losing your land.
fdf
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Re: Lost our lease
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12/20/24 07:07 PM
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Folks complain that they lost their lease because the landowner sold.
My brother forced the sale of the place this year.
We had been there for 59 years, I got to hunt opening weekend and that ends my deer hunting forever at my age.
Losing your lease is not as bad as losing your land.
fdf 'Very sorry to hear and I certainly hope you still can find some kind of opportunity to still hunt. I know brothers exist that are truly best friends and easily come to agreement on just about everything. However, I do not think it is the norm. I'm kind of on the other side of the equation you experienced, although I didn't "force" anything. At my mother's death, my older brother and I owned two places across the road from each other in south Gillespie County. Me and my family stayed at the newer place and he and his family stayed at the other. But, it was obvious that he thought we ought to own everything together, forever, with him, of course, calling the shots and me being the maintenance man, aka step-and-fetch-it. Whether for bad or good, the area continued to explode with people tooling around the area on Harleys, bicycles, runners and ego farmers putting in "wineries." My brother and I could agree that it was no longer the Hill Country that we grew up knowing and that it was time to sell. I did the work getting the places separated and I sold my side first. He got AML Leukemia and passed the next year, but his widow, eventually sold. I have zero regrets that I got my life financially completely separate from his/theirs. On the whole, I would advise against ever owning anything, especially a recreational property, with a sibling(s).
...and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth. Gen. 1:28
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Re: Lost our lease
[Re: bigcoyote]
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12/20/24 10:05 PM
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Dave Davidson
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I’ll have to sell in the next couple of years. Bought 133 acres of junk land in Montague County a LONG time ago for chump change. Land around it is now selling for about $10,000 per acre. I’m 82 yoa and don’t need the money but am hitting the point where I have to depend on others to get things done. That sux. Heavy taxes on the gain and that also sux.
Wife is good about a lot of things but business negotiating isn’t her strong point.
To the guys that are leasing, that greedy landowner could be in a financial tax jam. Several small landowners around me have had to bail out.
Without a sense of urgency, nothing ever happens.
Boy, if I say "sic em", you'd better look for something to bite. Sam Shelley, Rancher Muleshoe Texas 1892-1985 RIP
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Re: Lost our lease
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12/20/24 10:36 PM
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Around my area South of Bowie are several state and/or federal owned wildlife areas that allow hunting. I don’t know much about them but I have known guys who successfully hunted on them. I expect they are draw hunts but should be worth looking into.
Without a sense of urgency, nothing ever happens.
Boy, if I say "sic em", you'd better look for something to bite. Sam Shelley, Rancher Muleshoe Texas 1892-1985 RIP
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Re: Lost our lease
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12/21/24 02:45 AM
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I’ll have to sell in the next couple of years. Bought 133 acres of junk land in Montague County a LONG time ago for chump change. Land around it is now selling for about $10,000 per acre. I’m 82 yoa and don’t need the money but am hitting the point where I have to depend on others to get things done. That sux. Heavy taxes on the gain and that also sux.
Wife is good about a lot of things but business negotiating isn’t her strong point.
To the guys that are leasing, that greedy landowner could be in a financial tax jam. Several small landowners around me have had to bail out. Dave, you could sell me your place for $1 an acre, then not worry about any tax issues.
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Re: Lost our lease
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12/21/24 07:17 PM
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Dave Davidson
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Dang Rusty, why didn’t I think if that?
Without a sense of urgency, nothing ever happens.
Boy, if I say "sic em", you'd better look for something to bite. Sam Shelley, Rancher Muleshoe Texas 1892-1985 RIP
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Re: Lost our lease
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01/08/25 09:35 PM
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Dave our landowners are in bad health and up in years. His wife is in rehab center now and he has on going issues with heart ailment They have one daughter who is unmarried and obviously does not want the land. The place we are on has a buyer now. They have 2 other properties that will be sold in time
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Re: Lost our lease
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01/08/25 10:35 PM
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hate to hear that - it seems to happen often now days -
You can't fix stupid
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Re: Lost our lease
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01/17/25 05:47 PM
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I’ll have to sell in the next couple of years. Bought 133 acres of junk land in Montague County a LONG time ago for chump change. Land around it is now selling for about $10,000 per acre. I’m 82 yoa and don’t need the money but am hitting the point where I have to depend on others to get things done. That sux. Heavy taxes on the gain and that also sux.
Wife is good about a lot of things but business negotiating isn’t her strong point.
To the guys that are leasing, that greedy landowner could be in a financial tax jam. Several small landowners around me have had to bail out. And some folks still want lease prices to be what they were in the ‘90’s. If you don’t have some serious income on a ranch today taxes will force you to sell sooner than later. It’s a catch 22 for leasers and landowners. Property taxes are destroying private land ownership.
Crotchety old bastidge
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Re: Lost our lease
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01/18/25 01:07 AM
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I’ll have to sell in the next couple of years. Bought 133 acres of junk land in Montague County a LONG time ago for chump change. Land around it is now selling for about $10,000 per acre. I’m 82 yoa and don’t need the money but am hitting the point where I have to depend on others to get things done. That sux. Heavy taxes on the gain and that also sux.
Wife is good about a lot of things but business negotiating isn’t her strong point.
To the guys that are leasing, that greedy landowner could be in a financial tax jam. Several small landowners around me have had to bail out. And some folks still want lease prices to be what they were in the ‘90’s. If you don’t have some serious income on a ranch today taxes will force you to sell sooner than later. It’s a catch 22 for leasers and landowners. Property taxes are destroying private land ownership. 90s, hell I want 80s but I can wish in one hand and you know what in the other and see what one fills up first, lol....
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Re: Lost our lease
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01/18/25 01:18 AM
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Someone mentioned looking for a lease and wanting to pay 2500.00 a gun. I cover a lot of country and those days/prices are long gone!
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Re: Lost our lease
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01/22/25 01:43 AM
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Someone mentioned looking for a lease and wanting to pay 2500.00 a gun. I cover a lot of country and those days/prices are long gone! What would you say is the going lease price PER ACRE these days? Wouldn’t a smaller place (100 acres or so) still be in that 2500 range…with 2 guns?
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Re: Lost our lease
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01/22/25 01:51 AM
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Someone mentioned looking for a lease and wanting to pay 2500.00 a gun. I cover a lot of country and those days/prices are long gone! What would you say is the going lease price PER ACRE these days? Wouldn’t a smaller place (100 acres or so) still be in that 2500 range…with 2 guns? Maybe 2500-3000 but probably only 1 gun and if 2 guns, maybe 4000.
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