If parents of kids can be charged with the crimes of their children in regard to shooting up a school, which I can understand to some degree, what keeps any individual with guns in their house from being charged with the same crime if someone goes into your house and uses a gun they stole from you from being charged?

Key word there I believe is “stole.”

There would be a lot of normal people in jail

Indeed. There is an expectation that they are locked up. If you don't have kids, your house is locked, and someone breaks in, then there should not be the ability to charge the owner. If you do have kids, the house being locked isn't enough -- they need to be locked away from the children.

Commit a crime to get the gun = Off the hook.

If you know who gets in. It may get ugly. I hope not!

If you have firearms WELL secured, you would be safe. Secured does not mean out of sight on top of refrigerator or under a mattress.

Parents know if their kids F'ed up. This gay guy's mom knew it and warned the Police who did nothing, should the police chief be indicted?

"At the time, there was no probable cause for an arrest or to take any additional law enforcement action on the local, state or federal levels."

You think they should have disregarded the constitution and it's amendments?

We knew a kid who went to school with my oldest son all through school and even in daycare when they were infants. We knew their family well for many years. In high school, this kid was one that would change clothes to be a female and changed it's name to a female name. The parents had no clue about it either. (the fruit cake teacher that wore a dress was the teacher that also had the LBGT club to allow students to change their clothes at school, LINK and LINK) If there was ever going to be a school shooter, this kid was it. It was a broken family and the dad was a real piece of work too. He took the kid to the range multiple times to shoot AR's and handguns. He even bought him an AR and a Glock 9mm. There's no doubt, that if there was a shooting, the dad should be just as responsible as the kid. I never understood it. I told my son to keep him on your good side and be friendly to him, no matter what. I was glad to see they graduated without incident.

They would probably charge you in California.

its lame they are charging the Dad
did y'all ever buy your kids a firearm?

the LEO & FBI blew it on this one
&
they are looking for someone to blame

If the FBI comes to your house and talks to you about your kid, guns, and threats, and then you buy that same kid an AR and let him have unsupervised access to it, you deserve EVERYTHING that's coming your way.

Absolutely!

Agree 1000%.

“The text messages reviewed by the Post also reveal that the school and the family were discussing Colt's mental state a week before the shooting. Moreover, in a communication with a family member, Brown disclosed that the teenager was contending with "homicidal and suicidal thoughts" during that period.“

So after this, it’s law enforcement who blew it by not making an arrest with no probable cause rather than the dad who didn’t lock up the guns? Not saying dad should have been charged but if we’re laying blame sounds like dad blew it to me. Mom, the meth and fentanyl possessor, warned the school 30 minutes before the shooting and the school got the shooter and another kid mixed up and confiscated the other kids backpack. I guess they aren’t to blame either.

https://www.newsweek.com/colt-gray-new-details-mom-warned-georgia-school-shooting-1950510

Who gives their 13–14-year-old kid an AR15, and doesn't control the access to the AR15? This was a parenting disaster.

Common sense...which sadly is slipping away...

QuitShootinYoungBucks Is 100000 percent right. 👍👍

wow
so you want the FBI telling you about weapon purchases ?
I tried to purchase a rifle at Academy, I was sent paperwork for a background check, with a man from Rochester, Minnesotas info. Finger prints, SS# , birth certificate everything .
Cheers

Butch, you could not buy a clue if each member on here donated you $100. Shut up...

On the TFF, you claim guns can be purchased over the internet without a background check. Now, over here, you’re stirring the pot complaining about the background check process.

We don’t need your trolling over here, too.

There were so many mistakes on this one. I don't know the details but if the dad bought his kid an AR after the fbi talked to them then what an absolutely stupid thing to do, almost like he wanted it to happen. I can't tell anyone else what to do with their stuff but I do my best to make sure a thief or a kid can't get access to my firearms. It's not 100% secure but I try my best.

Because parents are, to some degree, responsible for the conduct of their children, whereas a typical individual has no responsibility for the conduct of an unrelated criminal.

Interesting, since the paperwork and background check is done at the point of purchase.

You can believe me or not
I am telling you what happened

Not my scenario at all
You can fake a background check easy

BS
Academy only does in store purchases on guns and doesn’t send any “paperwork” out to a consumer.
There is no way you could have received paperwork on another person. The person buying the gun doesn’t even get a copy of their 4473.
You picked the wrong company to spin your yarn about. Academy is the strictest firearms retailer in the US.
This story is kind of like the one you told on TFF about buying guns online with a made up FFL and having the guns shipped straight to your home.
If you’re going to make up sh!t about firearms you should stay out of the conversations.

I bet my episode happened before you were born

Okay, well then, I don't believe you...that simply isn't how the process works.

My son turns 16 next week. He is very responsible with firearms and has shot in Sr's .22 competition many times. I'm sure a few of you would attest to his responsible handling. Guess what he does not have unfettered access to in our house? And he has not exhibited ANY tendency to make threats or make any type of stupid decision like take a gun to school. Yes, this parent does bear some of the guilt here.

The current NICS background check did not start until 1998. Your story has more holes than swiss cheese.

Academy didn’t start selling guns until 1995 they did not offer them n any form of fashion. I am probably a lot older than you.
Plus I sold firearms to Academy since they started selling them. I started off selling them Heritage pistols then Weatherby rifles and Armalite rifles. I have been working with Academy since 1986 when they had 13 stores so I know exactly what I’m talking about.
I can assure you that what you said happened did not happen at any time with academy.
Every 4473 fills out at academy is done in the store and if you make an error filling it out they usually won’t let you correct it and make you wait 10 days to reapply.
You made your story up Butch.

I with as well.

Not trying to pile on, but I bought my first new handgun in 1974, my last one new one was last year. I was an FFL dealer for about 10 years.
This is story is bizarre.

Somebody go in here and ask that question the next time passing through.


Murle's Gunsmith Shop & Sports Headquarters
2711 East US Hwy 377
Granbury, TX 76049

It’s not bizarre it is complete BS. Butch spews carp like this on TFF all the time.

butch sanders,
Your trolling. Your making stuff up. Stop it. Your only warning.

ok
thanks for being civil
i went into Academy in like 2003
I wanted a 10-22 to plink with on opening day of dove season
they ran a check, I didn't pass they requested paperwork be sent to me from Quantico
i received 2 envelopes from The FBI
1 had blank forms
the other 1 had
finger prints- copy of SS card- copy of birth certificate
i thought thats cool they have sent me an example
just for fun i called the phone # & a guy answered it
i had all of his info
the fun really started when i tried to return it
Arlington PD told me to get that stuff out of their office, Dallas FBI wouldn't meet me, & there was no way i was going top mail it

so not sure why you cats think i would lie about this
there are some real a-holes on the internet though
& why would y'all support the fools at the FBI?

well then you heard the same story there
you internet bullies spew the same stuff all the time
i think i am going to book a hunt with you

Hammer time!

I have failed a background check for a gun on multiple occasions, maybe fail is the wrong word, I got a delay in the processing "if you don't hear anything back about this in 7 days come back and you will be good to go..." or something along that line.

I found out thru a school screening I had my identity hacked, someone druggie in some northern state (by that I just mean north of Texas) had used my Identity when he was booked for drug charges. The Investigator for the school wanted to meet with me to confirm I wasn't the guy posing as me, he had mug shots, and aliases, and he confirmed pretty quickly it wasn't me that got busted.

I never had any paperwork sent to me when I failed/delayed the background check for buying a gun. I can not even imagine why the FBI would be involved in an ATF issue. Separate departments, separate people, separate paperwork. Is it possible someone was playing a prank on ole buster when he was trying to buy a 10-22, sure. Is it possible he has some issues that need dealt with on an inpatient basis with meds...given the insistence the story happened and the details he has provided, he sure seems to THINK this happened to him. There can be two "truths" to this story. One may not be "real", but if believed to be real to the person involved..it can be true to that person. Just throwing that out as a possible.

Maybe like on Seinfeld where George said “it’s not a lie… if you believe it”

Isn't the point to have your firearms reasonably secured? Isn't that the objective and you're good to go?

Courts like that word reasonable.

The FBI operates the NICS and does the background check. If a person fails, the FBI doesn't send them anything. There is an appeal process, but the person has to initiate that. They will send very basic info back (jurisdiction, crime and conviction date) about what caused the fail, but they certainly don't send back identifying information for anyone, including the person who files the appeal. All identifying information is on a one way street to them.

Yep, FBI, ATF, all the alphabet agencies have a long-standing behavior of not playing well with others, they don't share identifying information. I do not believe there is a way on this Earth the documents claimed received were sent by any federal agency.

Wasn't sure on the FBI vs the ATF. I did a search on the google and it said the ATF was in charge...maybe that was just for FFL transfers or something. I stand corrected on the NCIS background checks...carry on