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3/4 ton discussion and sand
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08/04/24 02:27 PM
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I'm semi-needing a 3/4 ton truck and seemed to get mixed reviews based on who I ask. If I go this route, I'm thinking Chevy Duramax or Ram Cummins. Thoughts on each? How does a 3/4 ton do in the sand? My places are extremely sandy, and I'm often pulling trailers loaded down with feed or equipment through solid sand. Currently, the 1/2 ton truck does good for that, but at times, I'm needing a 3/4 for other things.
Thoughts?
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Re: 3/4 ton discussion and sand
[Re: WT Hunter 1980]
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08/04/24 03:17 PM
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BOBO the Clown
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If you are semi needing just get the gas 3/4. all three have proven gas engines. flip a coin on which is better
Bottom line, never trust a man whose uncle was eaten by cannibals.-Sen Joni Ernst
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Re: 3/4 ton discussion and sand
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08/04/24 03:23 PM
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I had a 2000 Dodge Ram diesel 2-wheel drive. You could take a leak in front of the back tires and get stuck.
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Re: 3/4 ton discussion and sand
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08/04/24 03:32 PM
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The Ram will be fine in the sand if you drive fast enough. Seriously though, they suck in dry loose sand. Bullfrog and I got stuck going downhill pulling a trailer in some very dry sugar sand.
My new F250 Tremor seems to do worlds better in the sand. If you don’t have at minimum a rear locker, your days are numbered until you have to get the shovel out
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Re: 3/4 ton discussion and sand
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08/04/24 03:35 PM
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Diesel engines weigh more, like Bobo said gas would be better in sand.
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Re: 3/4 ton discussion and sand
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08/04/24 04:08 PM
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3/4 tons, both gas and diesels, do fine in the sand, if you have appropriate tires and they are aired down.
Street tires at 65 psi won’t work too well.
I like to run them around 45 psi and have not had any trouble.
For it is not the quarry that we truly seek, but the adventure.
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Re: 3/4 ton discussion and sand
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08/05/24 12:33 AM
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What you need a 3/4 ton for?
It's hell eatin em live
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Re: 3/4 ton discussion and sand
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08/05/24 02:02 AM
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I had 11 of the Chevrolet 2500 HD gasoline over 20 years working for a company. I drove every one of them over 200K without any issues except the transmissions in the earlier ones.
When I started my business 4 years ago i wanted a diesel because I’d be hauling a trailer quite a bit more. I bought a F250 ‘19 with 35K on it. The truck was chipped and the engine blew up around 85K. I bought a brand new F250 Lariat in Jan ‘23 and have over 100K on it with no issues. At least 40K miles pulling over 10,000 lbs.
One thing I have noticed is the Chevrolets will handle much more weight in the bed. I’ve hauled over 6K many times in the 2500 HD. I get nervous hauling 3500 lbs in the Ford bed. I think I’m going to buy a gas 2500HD for my daily sales truck this year and keep the diesel for hauling the trailer.
As far as the sand question goes. No long bed truck does well in the sand with no weight in the back. Keep a shovel and boards in the back and let the air out if you get stuck.
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Re: 3/4 ton discussion and sand
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08/05/24 01:21 PM
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I'm semi-needing a 3/4 ton truck and seemed to get mixed reviews based on who I ask. If I go this route, I'm thinking Chevy Duramax or Ram Cummins. Thoughts on each? How does a 3/4 ton do in the sand? My places are extremely sandy, and I'm often pulling trailers loaded down with feed or equipment through solid sand. Currently, the 1/2 ton truck does good for that, but at times, I'm needing a 3/4 for other things.
Thoughts? Honestly sounds like you would do great with Dodge power wagon. As far as tires I run 45psi up front 40 in rear, and run 25/20 on sand or back forest/blm roads. You use to be able to get a power wagon for about 55k new if with you went with tradesman model, think they took away that option in 24. I haven’t looked
Bottom line, never trust a man whose uncle was eaten by cannibals.-Sen Joni Ernst
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Re: 3/4 ton discussion and sand
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08/05/24 02:45 PM
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As others have said, 4x4, decent tires, and airing down will help the most regardless of brand. We have some deep sugar sand in Freestone county on our place and my 3/4 ton cummins has done fine in 4 wheel drive. I've pulled my 5th wheel and/or buggy in and out of there multiple times without any issues.
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Re: 3/4 ton discussion and sand
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08/05/24 03:43 PM
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I'm semi-needing a 3/4 ton truck and seemed to get mixed reviews based on who I ask. If I go this route, I'm thinking Chevy Duramax or Ram Cummins. Thoughts on each? How does a 3/4 ton do in the sand? My places are extremely sandy, and I'm often pulling trailers loaded down with feed or equipment through solid sand. Currently, the 1/2 ton truck does good for that, but at times, I'm needing a 3/4 for other things.
Thoughts? Honestly sounds like you would do great with Dodge power wagon. As far as tires I run 45psi up front 40 in rear, and run 25/20 on sand or back forest/blm roads. You use to be able to get a power wagon for about 55k new if with you went with tradesman model, think they took away that option in 24. I haven’t looked He will need a Rebel 2500 instead of the Power Wagon. They greatly reduce the payload and towing capacity of the PW down to a 1/2 spec
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Re: 3/4 ton discussion and sand
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08/05/24 03:47 PM
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Good advice and posts on this.
I'm needing it for more towing capabilities. There have been times where I wanted to rent a skid steer with attachment, and the model machine I needed to rent required a 3/4 ton or bigger.
A tractor is in my near future. You know it's going to need maintenance from time to time or have a repair.
I'm looking at hauling bulk feed, and the 3/4 ton would come in handy here.
Not sure what else I would need it for at this time.
So it's not all the time, but at times, yes, it would be handy.
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Re: 3/4 ton discussion and sand
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08/05/24 04:19 PM
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BOBO the Clown
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I'm semi-needing a 3/4 ton truck and seemed to get mixed reviews based on who I ask. If I go this route, I'm thinking Chevy Duramax or Ram Cummins. Thoughts on each? How does a 3/4 ton do in the sand? My places are extremely sandy, and I'm often pulling trailers loaded down with feed or equipment through solid sand. Currently, the 1/2 ton truck does good for that, but at times, I'm needing a 3/4 for other things.
Thoughts? Honestly sounds like you would do great with Dodge power wagon. As far as tires I run 45psi up front 40 in rear, and run 25/20 on sand or back forest/blm roads. You use to be able to get a power wagon for about 55k new if with you went with tradesman model, think they took away that option in 24. I haven’t looked He will need a Rebel 2500 instead of the Power Wagon. They greatly reduce the payload and towing capacity of the PW down to a 1/2 spec Wow, it’s 1730 & 9380 towing now
Bottom line, never trust a man whose uncle was eaten by cannibals.-Sen Joni Ernst
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Re: 3/4 ton discussion and sand
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08/05/24 04:57 PM
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Good advice and posts on this.
I'm needing it for more towing capabilities. There have been times where I wanted to rent a skid steer with attachment, and the model machine I needed to rent required a 3/4 ton or bigger.
A tractor is in my near future. You know it's going to need maintenance from time to time or have a repair.
I'm looking at hauling bulk feed, and the 3/4 ton would come in handy here.
Not sure what else I would need it for at this time.
So it's not all the time, but at times, yes, it would be handy. I would say that a 3/4 ton is appropriate for what your wanting to do with it. If your pulling a skidsteer often ( or a tractor ) long distances, you'll want the diesel
For it is not the quarry that we truly seek, but the adventure.
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Re: 3/4 ton discussion and sand
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08/05/24 06:14 PM
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I wanted to rent a dump trailer before 7,000 gvw they wouldn’t rent it to me with a half ton that sucked.
It's hell eatin em live
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Re: 3/4 ton discussion and sand
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08/05/24 07:20 PM
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I wanted to rent a dump trailer before 7,000 gvw they wouldn’t rent it to me with a half ton that sucked. I got a little short buddy that picked up a bobcat one time and had to use another Truck and trailer to get it back to the yard 😂🤣
Bottom line, never trust a man whose uncle was eaten by cannibals.-Sen Joni Ernst
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Re: 3/4 ton discussion and sand
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08/06/24 07:46 PM
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If I were to buy my Ram megacab all over again, I'd buy the exact same truck but in a 1 ton single wheel instead of the 3/4 ton.
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Re: 3/4 ton discussion and sand
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08/07/24 01:13 PM
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I thought the they pretty much came out and admitted the srw 1-ton and 3/4 tons were the same except for the ratings on paper? I believe with gm you can buy a 3/4 ton and pay to have it rated for the capacity you want.
It's hell eatin em live
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Re: 3/4 ton discussion and sand
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08/08/24 11:25 AM
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I thought the they pretty much came out and admitted the srw 1-ton and 3/4 tons were the same except for the ratings on paper? I believe with gm you can buy a 3/4 ton and pay to have it rated for the capacity you want. Not remotely true ... any of that.
Pass the gravy.
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Re: 3/4 ton discussion and sand
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08/08/24 12:34 PM
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I thought the they pretty much came out and admitted the srw 1-ton and 3/4 tons were the same except for the ratings on paper? I believe with gm you can buy a 3/4 ton and pay to have it rated for the capacity you want. Not remotely true ... any of that. Not with Ford either. You can get upgraded capacity on F250, but it’s still not as much as F350. I know you used to be able to order a DRW F250, don’t know if that’s still available or not.
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Re: 3/4 ton discussion and sand
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I thought the they pretty much came out and admitted the srw 1-ton and 3/4 tons were the same except for the ratings on paper? I believe with gm you can buy a 3/4 ton and pay to have it rated for the capacity you want. Not remotely true ... any of that. Not with Ford either. You can get upgraded capacity on F250, but it’s still not as much as F350. I know you used to be able to order a DRW F250, don’t know if that’s still available or not. It wasn’t a 250. It was a short bed 350. We had a short wheel base 350. They also made/make long bed 250’s
For it is not the quarry that we truly seek, but the adventure.
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Re: 3/4 ton discussion and sand
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I thought the they pretty much came out and admitted the srw 1-ton and 3/4 tons were the same except for the ratings on paper? I believe with gm you can buy a 3/4 ton and pay to have it rated for the capacity you want. Not remotely true ... any of that. Not with Ford either. You can get upgraded capacity on F250, but it’s still not as much as F350. I know you used to be able to order a DRW F250, don’t know if that’s still available or not. This here. A good friend of mine ordered an HD version of the F250. I can't remember exactly what was different other than maybe an overload spring from the factory but his weight capacity is higher than a standard F250. It's also not quite as high as the F350 single wheel. In the Rams, the 1 tons still have leaf springs vs. the 3/4 tons on coil springs. On my 2500 I figured I might like that coils spring but to be honest, I'm not a fan.
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Re: 3/4 ton discussion and sand
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I thought the they pretty much came out and admitted the srw 1-ton and 3/4 tons were the same except for the ratings on paper? I believe with gm you can buy a 3/4 ton and pay to have it rated for the capacity you want. Not remotely true ... any of that. I read somewhere you could order a 3/4 ton gm and had an option to have a standard gvwr or a higher one for a fee, only difference was the rating and the fee.
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Re: 3/4 ton discussion and sand
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I thought the they pretty much came out and admitted the srw 1-ton and 3/4 tons were the same except for the ratings on paper? I believe with gm you can buy a 3/4 ton and pay to have it rated for the capacity you want. Not remotely true ... any of that. Not with Ford either. You can get upgraded capacity on F250, but it’s still not as much as F350. I know you used to be able to order a DRW F250, don’t know if that’s still available or not. This here. A good friend of mine ordered an HD version of the F250. I can't remember exactly what was different other than maybe an overload spring from the factory but his weight capacity is higher than a standard F250. It's also not quite as high as the F350 single wheel. In the Rams, the 1 tons still have leaf springs vs. the 3/4 tons on coil springs. On my 2500 I figured I might like that coils spring but to be honest, I'm not a fan. They do weird combinations with the ratings. My 250 tremor had a 1 ton rear end and the leaf spring set up. But the weight rating was lower. But how is that possible if it had the 1-ton rear end and springs? I know on the pre-super duty’s you could order a F-250 Heavy Duty long bed that had higher ratings than a F-350. That was only on a 2WD if I remember correctly.
For it is not the quarry that we truly seek, but the adventure.
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Re: 3/4 ton discussion and sand
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In the late 90's and early 00's, Ford was using all the same parts on 250's and 350's. They came to the conclusion that they saved enough money by managing a smaller parts inventory that it more than made up for using some slightly higher cost parts on the 250 trucks. But they still rated them differently as there are some tax implications based on the gross ratings. I actually had a conversation with an exec at Ford on this topic while I was in business school and working on a supply chain project.
Whether or not Ford is still doing that I have no idea.
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