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Ruger 1022 rabbit hole #9049239 05/18/24 11:39 PM
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Here I go, looking for a barrel recommendation from the group. Thinking I want a 16” threaded bull barrel 2-3 hundred $ ish range.

Thanks in advance


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Green Mountain has a budget minded barrel that gets good reviews. For a bit more I’ve had Volquartson Carbon, Shilen and Kidd steel barrels, My best results were from the Shilen, then the Kidd and Volquartson last. KRoyal on here shoots a Kidd with very good results. Almost as important as the barrel is the ammunition, if you want to get serious you need to do lot testing.


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Originally Posted by splicer
Here I go, looking for a barrel recommendation from the group. Thinking I want a 16” threaded bull barrel 2-3 hundred $ ish range.

Thanks in advance

For what? What is the goal?
Do you have a bull barrel stock or do you then have to buy another?
Have you tested accuracy the way it is now?
Does it have the OEM trigger? Better triggers help more than a barrel swap to start.
16" is usually the sweet spot on these depending on the intent.
Fixing the sear, hammer, bushings, and trigger will tighten a 10/22 more first than a barrel.


Pass the gravy.


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GasGuzzler nailed that one. The factory 10/22 trigger would be my first change as well. I wouldn’t have known had I not shot a factory one next to a good trigger just yesterday.

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I gotta disagree GG. A stock 10/22 barrel is lucky to shoot 1” at 50 yards (2 MOA), with my Shilen I could shoot .2” at times but, to be fair, .35” any time. Less than 1 MOA. Triggers are definitely important but not as much as barrels.


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Originally Posted by GasGuzzler
Originally Posted by splicer
Here I go, looking for a barrel recommendation from the group. Thinking I want a 16” threaded bull barrel 2-3 hundred $ ish range.

Thanks in advance

For what? What is the goal?
Do you have a bull barrel stock or do you then have to buy another?
Have you tested accuracy the way it is now?
Does it have the OEM trigger? Better triggers help more than a barrel swap to start.
16" is usually the sweet spot on these depending on the intent.
Fixing the sear, hammer, bushings, and trigger will tighten a 10/22 more first than a barrel.



As accurate as possible maybe some 100 to 200 yards competitions, taking out some tree rats
No I need a stock
No I haven’t tested accuracy I want a threaded barrel for my suppressor
I have a Kidd trigger kit in it


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So now we go down the rabbit hole but it will be fun.


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Originally Posted by wp75169
GasGuzzler nailed that one. The factory 10/22 trigger would be my first change as well. I wouldn’t have known had I not shot a factory one next to a good trigger just yesterday.


Did you also shoot a factory barrel vs. a custom barrel?


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So now we go down the rabbit hole but it will be fun.


Yessir!


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Originally Posted by P_102
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GasGuzzler nailed that one. The factory 10/22 trigger would be my first change as well. I wouldn’t have known had I not shot a factory one next to a good trigger just yesterday.


Did you also shoot a factory barrel vs. a custom barrel?




No, I was strictly talking about the poor quality of the 10/22 trigger. The good triggers being compared were in my CZ with a spring change and a tikka with one as well.

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bigger budget needed to get this rabbit built properly


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Originally Posted by P_102
Green Mountain has a budget minded barrel that gets good reviews. For a bit more I’ve had Volquartson Carbon, Shilen and Kidd steel barrels, My best results were from the Shilen, then the Kidd and Volquartson last. KRoyal on here shoots a Kidd with very good results. Almost as important as the barrel is the ammunition, if you want to get serious you need to do lot testing.

I’ve had great results with the KIDD steal barrels. I run a 18” spiral fluted and threaded match barrel on mine. I can put 9 shots in same hole at 50 yards if I do my part always have a flyer. I’ve shot it in competitions from 25 out to 450 yards and have been really happy. It has held its own against guns 4-5 times its cost.

I shoot SK Long Range Match out of it. It got the best groups with a few runner ups and it hated anything Lapua.

Also just a heads up when I put my suppressor on it totally changes the barrel harmonics and opens up pretty bad. I never shoot this rifle suppressed because of that.


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Originally Posted by Buzzsaw
bigger budget needed to get this rabbit built properly

IMO


Do you have a barrel recommendation?

No real overall budget in mind, however I would consider buying a CZ, Tikka or other bolt action rifle with a 16" threaded barrel and just leave the 1022 alone.


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I've built a number of accurate 10/22s, and it can be done for a moderate cost. The factory barrels will shoot on par with the higher end ones, in my experience, after the chambers are shortened and the barrel stub properly fit to the receiver. The Ruger BX2-trigger group is a good buy, in my opinion. The other thing to do is make sure you torque the action screw to 25in-lbs.; you can fine tune up or down to see what yours likes, but I've always ended up at 25.
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Next is setting the headspace and squaring the bolt, as well as some recontouring on the back end.
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My parallax wasn't set right, so I ended up with two separate groups, but .357" isn't bad at 50 yards.
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You should do some research. Head over to Rimfire Central and you will find anything / everything that is Ruger 10/22 or custom clones. You will also find everything on any bolt action rimfire.

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Years ago I put an $89 ER Shaw on my 10/22 and it pretty well cut the groups in half vs the factory barrel with bulk ammo. It’s not threaded, but I’m sure there’s an option for it nowadays.

IIRC I was getting just over 1/4” 5 shot groups with it using Federal ultra match gold ammo at 50 yards. That was several years ago, so that group may have shrunk a bit in my memory grin


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Originally Posted by FRA
I've built a number of accurate 10/22s, and it can be done for a moderate cost. The factory barrels will shoot on par with the higher end ones, in my experience, after the chambers are shortened and the barrel stub properly fit to the receiver. The Ruger BX2-trigger group is a good buy, in my opinion. The other thing to do is make sure you torque the action screw to 25in-lbs.; you can fine tune up or down to see what yours likes, but I've always ended up at 25.
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Next is setting the headspace and squaring the bolt, as well as some recontouring on the back end.
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My parallax wasn't set right, so I ended up with two separate groups, but .357" isn't bad at 50 yards.
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That’s impressive. Just out of curiosity, what would that machine work cost a feller?


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Originally Posted by FRA
I've built a number of accurate 10/22s, and it can be done for a moderate cost. The factory barrels will shoot on par with the higher end ones, in my experience, after the chambers are shortened and the barrel stub properly fit to the receiver. The Ruger BX2-trigger group is a good buy, in my opinion. The other thing to do is make sure you torque the action screw to 25in-lbs.; you can fine tune up or down to see what yours likes, but I've always ended up at 25.
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Next is setting the headspace and squaring the bolt, as well as some recontouring on the back end.
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My parallax wasn't set right, so I ended up with two separate groups, but .357" isn't bad at 50 yards.
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Very nice work!

To the OP, you can't go wrong with KIDD or Volq and I've seen P102's Shilen shoot lights out. You'll need a new stock or open up your current if it is wood then smooth out the trigger or buy a good sear and you'll be set. Try lots of ammo to see what it likes and buy lots of that particular lot as they do vary quite a bit lot to lot.

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I don't currently have a number, but parts and labor, I'm shooting for under the price of an aftermarket barrel. That includes smoothing the cycling, upgraded extractor, buffer, modification of the receiver and scope base for larger screws, trigger job, and a cleaning hole in the back of the receiver.
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I was teaching an NRA basic rifle course a while back and brought my wife's sporter model 10/22. The students couldn't believe that it cut one hole groups since it looked factory. My personal 10/22 has an old Hogue barrel on it, which has become one of my favorites. I have found the few I've had hands on didn't need any machining to correct dimensions. I had one put on my 77/22 more than 25 years ago by a gunsmith in Austin. On those Green Mountain barrels, the instructor that taught me to build 10/22s uses GM barrels extensively. Don't let the price fool you. If you have the right dimensions in a barrel, factory or otherwise, they tend to shoot. The biggest problem with Ruger barrels is they excessively long chambers for "safety"...can't build up excessive pressure in an oversize chamber. The downside is that when I accurize a standard barrel, I do it for standard pressure ammo, and the really high pressure stuff either won't chamber, or shouldn't be. I tend to ask what ammo the user likes, and use a live round to measure my cuts. Mine are cut to Aguila ammo because I have 20k+ rounds bought over the years from the CMP and have found it to shoot well. That doesn't mean that trying other ammo won't find one it likes more, though. But that group I posted was from the first chamber I ever recut and all of them since have had better accuracy...and I've been more careful about my parallax in testing.
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My personal one started as the cheapest, most beat up 10/22 I could find. I took the scope base off and found it looked like Swiss cheese; I added some additional holes to this and moved it back a bit to get good holes and a solid mount. I'm not wild about the plastic stock, but the original wood was a carbine stock and I didn't think would look right modified to take the .920" barrel, so the Magpul was the cheapest option that gave some rigidity. There was a Cerakoting class going on next door, so I asked a student to paint the receiver "anything but red." I didn't think to ask him to do the trigger housing that was equally bad. Though I haven't used the BX-trigger, the reason that I am now recommending them is because the last 10/22 I rebuilt caught me off guard. The channel for the trigger return spring and cap was actually machined at an angle; it didn't matter how well I did on the action, having to overcome the angle/binding was not possible to get the best trigger pull.
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One of the concerns (minor) with 10/22 accuracy is the single action screw providing enough stability. There are 2 ways that I know of that will help: Volquartson makes a rear screw attachment and Little Crow Gun Works makes a v-block with a recoil lug. I added the Little Crow to mine, drilling out the stock and bedding the new lug area. It helped.


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barrel, https://www.midwayusa.com/product/2192171481?pid=648217

stock, https://www.midwayusa.com/product/1024816921?pid=505540

has ruger bx trigger, vortex 3-9x50 with v brite reticle.

suppressor, https://www.silencershop.com/silencers/rimfire/el-camino.html

shoots excellent and is light weight with the aluminum barrel. built to haul around the property and keep turtles out of our patio pond, I practice by taking headshots on turtles in the water out to 75+ yds.


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Originally Posted by splicer
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bigger budget needed to get this rabbit built properly

IMO


Do you have a barrel recommendation?

No real overall budget in mind, however I would consider buying a CZ, Tikka or other bolt action rifle with a 16" threaded barrel and just leave the 1022 alone.

I think I miss read your post (nothing new for me). You are only looking for a barrel, not a complete rifle. Like Smoked Pork suggested, I highly suggest looking on Rimfire Central. They have an entire section dedicated to the 10-22.

If you really want to compete in the Rimfire matches, you will end up spending much more $$. Just gathering all the "accessories" add up quickly. Just My worthless Opinion.

Now, there are lots of fun matches, Check out " Day At The Range" targets. Just fun but challenging targets you can print to test you and your rifle.


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9 shot group @ 50 out of the 10/22 I built for the wife. Kidd aluminum shrouded barrel, BX trigger, and Kidd internals. Archangel stock. Ammo was Wolf Extra Match. Will eventually test some other ammo, but that is what I had on hand.

10/22 is definitely a fun gun to tinker on.

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I need to shoot my 10/22 for groups. It has a TacSol threaded barrel and the BX2 trigger. It is amazingly fun with the iron sights but the ol' Tasco needs an upgrade.


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