Here is that Hornady bb load

https://www.midwayusa.com/product/1002086175?pid=219267

I mostly hunt on the public, in a area that specifies no lead, and no larger than 4 shot. So i picked up the biggest tungsten loads i could find, #7 turkey shells. I will let you know how they work, I am sure a turkey load of #7 tungsten will kill anything that needs killing.

#7 for anything but a bird would be a no go for me regardless of what they are made of.

He is probably talking about #7 TSS loads. Tungsten Super Shot is denser than lead. Depending on the actual density of the shot in his load, #7 TSS is probably equivalent to #4-#5 lead, but with greater penetration and a whole lot more pellets.

This is what I’m dealing with. He’s big enough the worth pasture poodle didn’t pick a fight.

Yes, I know Tungsten is 60% denser than lead but it's still a #7 wound. I will stick to birds with #7.

Smart coyote.

My dog got into it with a big coon up around Cloudcroft years ago. That was some rodeo. The coon lost but my dog had my help. They can be some mean bastards!

Here is my dilemma. It’s either #7 tungsten, or #4 steel. Or a bow or a muzzle loader. My favorite place is overrun with coyotes and they are too bold. I camped out there with my kids last year and woke up surrounded with hairy turds. Trapping them is not an option.

It is strictly non toxic shot there. I get two months out of the year I can use a spot light and hunt after dark and i am going to give them as much hell as i can with what legal means I have.

#7 tungsten is the biggest size tungsten I can find. Should outdo the #4 steel. But, I got some 3.5” 1550 fps steel as well.

So within my legal means, this is what i have to work with. If i could use anything I wanted to use it would be lead BB all day long. If it were legal to shoot lead BB, it is the only load i would buy for everything.

The tungsten #7 load will give you maybe 3 or more times the number of wound channels than the #4 steel. The larger steel shot will have more drag in flight and lose downrange energy faster than the smaller tungsten shot will. And with that same physics your wound channels for each #7 tungsten will be deeper than the ones for the #4 steel. Both because of the smaller size having less resistance into the animal and the greater density per pellet than each larger diameter #4 steel shot pellet. I can tell you from experience a #7 TSS load at equal ranges is many times more devastating to a Turkey head and neck than a number 4 steel load.

If money is no object considering your not shooting a whole lot like you would for a bird hunt, there are 12GA Remington HD Tungsten #2 and BB loads available from Able Ammo. Great loads I used on resident Geese back in the day when the ammo was much cheaper.

^ this. pattern #7 TTS and dont think twice unless you want to save money then step down to #5/6 bismuth

These areas are also restricted to no larger than 4 shot around me. I already know the #4 steel is about a 20-25 yard deal at best, but inside this close range it would be devastating. I know nothing about tungsten but turkey hunters around here kill a lot of coyotes with the tungsten turkey shells.

I wish I could find some good #4 tungsten shot. It os out of stock everywhere.

I just found .22 mag cci game points though, I ordered some up and i dont even have a .22 mag. Guess i better fix that. I will be lucky to get out more than a couple of times to hunt predators but i plan to give them absolute hell within my limited means and methods allowed.

So i am gonna to with the #7 tungsten loads then. And get a .22 mag, too.

If you can shoot a 22 mag there you’re gold. One of the most underrated cartridges.

I have seen several coyotes that ran into a goose spread killed with #2 steel shot.

So limited to no larger than number #4 shot.
Remington HD tungsten blend #4 and on clearance.
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Thanks brother. That’s remington’s proprietary alloy i guess, it is a tungsten blend and basically a non-toxic match for lead, little bit more dense. But the #7 TSS is superior.

I ordered up a 22 mag today and ordered ammo for it last night. That’ll be my solution. For the same cost as 65 rounds of tungsten on clearance or about 112 rounds of this remington load I got a new rifle and 500 rounds of .22 mag

Yeah i got way out in the weeds learning about tungsten on the interwebs. .22 mag is the way to go for me.

A good size raccoon can take a load of #4 shot and get away, a load of #4 buck though will decimate a raccoon. If you are trying to anchor them, 4 shot will work close but you are not knocking them out of the tree tops.

Even a good sized fox squirrel can take a couple loads of lead 6’s from high in the pines and keep on trucking. I actually hit one 3 times as it scrambled down the tree and he still got away. I know i hit him, you could see the impact in his hair and the way he reacted to it. Burned me on 6 shot.

Inside 20 yards if you have the pattern density, sure, it doesn’t matter. The smaller the shot the faster you need it to go. But apparently a given size of shot pretty much has the same energy at 45 yards no matter how fast they start out, until you start looking at buckshot or TSS.

A 22 Mag is my go to for everything varmint sized on the ranch

Dayum. When you pull that sexy mf out it is over

Old school for me. Mine is a Marlin 783. I think I bought it at the local Target when they still sold guns. So a looong time ago. Over the years I have shot lots of squirrel heads, turkey heads, varmints, even coyotes. All outdoorsmen should have a 22 mag in the arsenal.

Showing your age. I remember those days i must have been age 5-10, so 1985-1990? When K mart had a nice Marlin 30-30! When did Target start to suck?

At least you are hunting with a 7 Wby.

I would love to see what happens when you hit them with one or those

Use whatever’s in the door of your truck. I killed a deer with rio 3” #5 steel

Ended up with #2 Kent Faststeel 3 inch. 1500fps. Is modified the toughest I can use with this and the Optima chokes?