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To AI or not to AI?
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01/11/24 02:37 PM
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That is the question. I found an old Western Field 30-30 at the back of an inherited safe. I guess I knew it was there already, but didn't really pay much attention to it as I had very little interest in a 30-30. My son was showing interest in hunting with a lever action, so we pulled it out along with about a box and a half of 150 gr core-lokts. Went down to the range to see if it would group. I did not have high expectations, but I was surprised. First two shots were within 3/4 of an inch at 100 yards, and the 3rd shot was touching the first. We shot up all but 5 rounds (wanted to have some left to hunt with), and looks like we have a rifle that will consistently shoot about 1 moa. Looks like I am going to have to get some 30-30 dies! The issue that I see with this rifle though, we get a lot of shot opportunities in the 100-250 yard range, and I don't see this as a 250 yard gun. In doing some research, I should be able to get the FTX bullet (.330 BC) to about 2400fps with Leverevolution powder, and if I Ackley it, maybe 2500-2600fps? I am thinking that an ackley version could very well be a 250 yard gun. Should I go and mess with a rifle that is already shooting very well with admittedly blah ammo, or should I just reload for it as is and keep it a 150 yard gun?
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Re: To AI or not to AI?
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01/11/24 02:46 PM
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I wouldn’t mess with a good thing if it were me. Have you looked into how those rifles feed once they’ve been AI?
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Re: To AI or not to AI?
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01/11/24 02:54 PM
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Same as my thoughts.
I also ran QL on the SAAMI .30-30 and the .30-30 AI and it doesn't look like there's much to be gained, maybe 70 fps or so depending on what powder you use---which you could use up a little faster, maybe about 3 grains at a time.
I'd leave it alone simply because of the possibility of ending up with feeding issues.
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Re: To AI or not to AI?
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01/11/24 02:59 PM
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I wouldn’t mess with a good thing if it were me. Have you looked into how those rifles feed once they’ve been AI? I have not. I am assuming from your statement that there can be issues.
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Re: To AI or not to AI?
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01/11/24 03:02 PM
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I absolutely do not know. I do know that’s a factor with some cartridges and rifles.
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Re: To AI or not to AI?
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01/11/24 03:10 PM
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Look into some other bullets. I inherited a Winchester model 94 recently and just got dies. I’m going to shoot Barnes 110 tactx or maybe the 125 tactx some day. Think that would get you to 250, although I’d. Ever plan on shooting that far with it.
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Re: To AI or not to AI?
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01/11/24 03:13 PM
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Personally, I wouldn't even consider it in a lever action.
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01/11/24 03:18 PM
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I bet you could extend the range with lever evolution powder and 110 or 120 grain barnes tac-tx. Probably have to single load them.
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Re: To AI or not to AI?
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01/11/24 03:21 PM
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Agre with the others would not AI it but also agree with Redchevy you could go to a different bullet and get closer to there with it. With the higher BC bullets though it becomes a single shot or one in the mag and one in the chamber for a double.
I have seen deer killed past 200 yards with factory standard round nose 30-30 ammo but drop has to be considered.
Can it be done yes but like shooting longer ranges you need the correct dope for it when extending it out.
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Re: To AI or not to AI?
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01/11/24 03:37 PM
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Coincidentally, I spent some time the last few days prepping .30-30 brass. I treated it just like I would treat brass for one of my bolt actions. FL size, trim, chamfer and debur, and debured the flash holes. Because I don't want to use up my CCI-200 or Fed 210 primers, I primed with Winchester Large Rifle. They don't tend to produce the lowest ES, but I'm going to have to accept that, for this project.
I have Leverloution powder, and am loaded with a 150 gr Hornady round nose. I will be doing a load development, like I would for any other rifle. Looking for what charge shoots the best, and making sure it is safe ammo. My rifle us a 1994 made Marlin 336. I will let you know what I learn. Leverloution is supposed to generate significantly more velocity than any other powder that is appropriate for .30-30
If we can put a Mil based scope on a .22 lr and make hits at 300 yards, and more, then the .30-30 can absolutely do it as well. The unknown is the energy delivery. That is unknown, because I haven't shot it yet and learned what MV it's going to have. My bullet won't have a very good BC, but it will give you an idea of the velocity potential with a 150 gr.
My rifle is currently wearing irons, the way God intended. If I still possess a scope base, I will put a scope on it for load development, and then take it back off once I'm done.
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Re: To AI or not to AI?
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01/11/24 03:51 PM
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I do want to keep the functionality of the magazine, so, I am limiting myself to flat nosed bullets or the flex tip bullets. Hornady also has a 135 gr FTX with a BC of .274 and a 140 gr monoflex with a BC of .295. Maybe I will play with some of those instead?
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01/11/24 03:51 PM
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My rifle is currently wearing irons, the way God intended. If I still possess a scope base, I will put a scope on it for load development, and then take it back off once I'm done. I'm surprised you still don't ride a horse to work ![roflmao roflmao](/forum/images/graemlins/default/roflmao.gif) I agree with everyone else...don't AI it. Shoot it and enjoy it.
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Re: To AI or not to AI?
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01/11/24 04:10 PM
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I would have to get up earlier than I already do to ride a horse to work.
Unclebubba,
I purchased some once fired .30-30 brass of several brands. WW Super, Winchester, Federal, Remington, Hornady.
Out of 200 brass, I had six pieces that had cracks. Most of them were cracked at the neck/shoulder junction.
So, it looks like .30-30 brass needs to be annealed early in its' life.
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Re: To AI or not to AI?
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01/11/24 04:12 PM
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Coincidentally, I spent some time the last few days prepping .30-30 brass. I treated it just like I would treat brass for one of my bolt actions. FL size, trim, chamfer and debur, and debured the flash holes. Because I don't want to use up my CCI-200 or Fed 210 primers, I primed with Winchester Large Rifle. They don't tend to produce the lowest ES, but I'm going to have to accept that, for this project.
I have Leverloution powder, and am loaded with a 150 gr Hornady round nose. I will be doing a load development, like I would for any other rifle. Looking for what charge shoots the best, and making sure it is safe ammo. My rifle us a 1994 made Marlin 336. I will let you know what I learn. Leverloution is supposed to generate significantly more velocity than any other powder that is appropriate for .30-30
If we can put a Mil based scope on a .22 lr and make hits at 300 yards, and more, then the .30-30 can absolutely do it as well. The unknown is the energy delivery. That is unknown, because I haven't shot it yet and learned what MV it's going to have. My bullet won't have a very good BC, but it will give you an idea of the velocity potential with a 150 gr.
My rifle is currently wearing irons, the way God intended. If I still possess a scope base, I will put a scope on it for load development, and then take it back off once I'm done. I am looking forward to learning from your experience. Thanks! My Marlin 1895 still wears irons as God intended...but, unfortunately, God did not intend me to keep 20/20 eyesight into my 50's. The 30/30 had an old Japanese made Tasco on it, and it seems to be pretty good, so it will stay. If I have to put a scope on a lever gun, I don't want it to have open turrets or MIL hash marks. I'd rather it have a period correct, small, duplex reticle scope. If you don't have a scope base, I will gladly loan you one.
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01/11/24 04:18 PM
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I would have to get up earlier than I already do to ride a horse to work.
Unclebubba,
I purchased some once fired .30-30 brass of several brands. WW Super, Winchester, Federal, Remington, Hornady.
Out of 200 brass, I had six pieces that had cracks. Most of them were cracked at the neck/shoulder junction.
So, it looks like .30-30 brass needs to be annealed early in its' life. I picked up 100 rounds of Corelokt from a friend last night, so we will be shooting that up to get my brass. I tend to anneal after every firing anyhow, so I should be OK there. I won't be doing load work up until we have gone through all the factory rounds, so that won't be until this summer probably. I'm just doing research now.
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Re: To AI or not to AI?
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01/11/24 04:25 PM
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My rifle us a 1994 made Marlin 336.
So you have a 94 336. Not many of those around. ![grin grin](/forum/images/graemlins/default/grin.gif)
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Re: To AI or not to AI?
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01/11/24 05:20 PM
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IMO, right tool, right job. If you need to shoot 250 (or possibly even further), then take a rifle that will reliably do that, and with enough power to cleanly kill at that distance. You have a nice gun, I'd leave it alone and use it within the scope of its capabilities.
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01/11/24 05:44 PM
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... use it within the scope of its capabilities. That is exactly what I was planning on doing. I was just wanting to extend those capabilities. I was also looking forward to playing with an Ackley improved round. From the above comments, I am probably going to just work up a good load for this one and keep it as a shorter range gun.
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01/11/24 05:47 PM
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It’s a lever action 30-30. I’d just leave it alone and enjoy it for what it is.
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01/11/24 06:10 PM
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I've never heard a bad word about the 30-30 with the FTX bullet. Go buy a box and take it out to 200-250 yards and see what it does. If the Western Field fits him well and he instinctively shoots it well, then you are almost home. The FTX may get you the rest of the way there. Dunno but having a rifle you shoot well is a very big thing. AI really makes a nice improvement performance wise. But you have to decide if the gain is worth all the hassle and extra cost.
My son has a Marlin 30-30 I bought in 1976 and he has no desire to change it or the memories it represents.
As an aside, Back in 1973 I bought a Western Field (made my Mossberg then) from Montgomery Ward. I remember picking it up at the catalog counter. Long time ago.
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I've never heard a bad word about the 30-30 with the FTX bullet. Go buy a box and take it out to 200-250 yards and see what it does. If the Western Field fits him well and he instinctively shoots it well, then you are almost home. The FTX may get you the rest of the way there. Dunno but having a rifle you shoot well is a very big thing. AI really makes a nice improvement performance wise. But you have to decide if the gain is worth all the hassle and extra cost.
My son has a Marlin 30-30 I bought in 1976 and he has no desire to change it or the memories it represents.
As an aside, Back in 1973 I bought a Western Field (made my Mossberg then) from Montgomery Ward. I remember picking it up at the catalog counter. Long time ago. Gonna shoot through the ammo that we have. (shouldn't take too long) and then go buy some FTX bullets and work up a load.
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01/11/24 06:32 PM
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... use it within the scope of its capabilities. That is exactly what I was planning on doing. I was just wanting to extend those capabilities. I was also looking forward to playing with an Ackley improved round. From the above comments, I am probably going to just work up a good load for this one and keep it as a shorter range gun. Looking at this, I think you can get to 250 with OTC ammo with enough power to do the job. Hornady .30-30 160gr Ballistics
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Re: To AI or not to AI?
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01/11/24 08:27 PM
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Note: most FTX bullets have a different trim length than normal. It’s shorter.
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01/11/24 10:37 PM
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Note: most FTX bullets have a different trim length than normal. It’s shorter. Interestingly, there is no mention of that for 30-30 on the Hodgdon reloading data website. There is also no mention of it for 45/70, but I know for a fact that the case must be trimmed back a little more for 45/70.
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01/11/24 10:38 PM
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Note: most FTX bullets have a different trim length than normal. It’s shorter. Do you mean you have to trim the case a little shorter to keep the ogive out of the case mouth? I think that must be what you mean, just want to be sure.
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01/11/24 10:45 PM
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Note: most FTX bullets have a different trim length than normal. It’s shorter. Do you mean you have to trim the case a little shorter to keep the ogive out of the case mouth? I think that must be what you mean, just want to be sure. I can not speak to 30-30 as I have not loaded it yet, but with 45/70 and .357, the ogive makes the bullet a little longer, and if you do not trim the case back a little, the case will be too long to function in a magazine, or the case mouth will be up on the ogive. So yes. You are correct.
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01/11/24 10:52 PM
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Thanks for the clarification.
IMO, trimming a little more than you have to is a good thing unless you've already got an extremely short neck like the .300 Savage. I'll go ahead and trim brass 0.015" or more than the suggested trim-to length just so I don't ever have to do it again. Trimming is a PITA.
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Thanks for the clarification.
IMO, trimming a little more than you have to is a good thing unless you've already got an extremely short neck like the .300 Savage. I'll go ahead and trim brass 0.015" or more than the suggested trim-to length just so I don't ever have to do it again. Trimming is a PITA. https://www.giraudtool.com/giraud-power-trimmer.html
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01/11/24 11:15 PM
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Thanks for the clarification.
IMO, trimming a little more than you have to is a good thing unless you've already got an extremely short neck like the .300 Savage. I'll go ahead and trim brass 0.015" or more than the suggested trim-to length just so I don't ever have to do it again. Trimming is a PITA. https://www.giraudtool.com/giraud-power-trimmer.html+1 Really is a game changer when it comes to trimming. I don't hate it or look at it as a PITA any longer, just a step in the process. If I didn't already have the Giraud...I'd look at the Henderson and compare the two to your needs/wants. It's newer on the market and getting lots of positive feedback too. Saying that, the Giraud is not money I wish I hadn't spent on reloading.
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01/11/24 11:22 PM
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Thanks for the clarification.
IMO, trimming a little more than you have to is a good thing unless you've already got an extremely short neck like the .300 Savage. I'll go ahead and trim brass 0.015" or more than the suggested trim-to length just so I don't ever have to do it again. Trimming is a PITA. https://www.giraudtool.com/giraud-power-trimmer.html+1 Really is a game changer when it comes to trimming. I don't hate it or look at it as a PITA any longer, just a step in the process. If I didn't already have the Giraud...I'd look at the Henderson and compare the two to your needs/wants. It's newer on the market and getting lots of positive feedback too. Saying that, the Giraud is not money I wish I hadn't spent on reloading. My only regret is waiting as long as I did.
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For us poor folks Frankfort Arsenal makes a nice trimmer that fits on your drill.
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Thanks for the clarification.
IMO, trimming a little more than you have to is a good thing unless you've already got an extremely short neck like the .300 Savage. I'll go ahead and trim brass 0.015" or more than the suggested trim-to length just so I don't ever have to do it again. Trimming is a PITA. https://www.giraudtool.com/giraud-power-trimmer.htmlI believe I am quoting you with this. " With reloading, there is cheap, fast, and accurate. You can only have two of those." That tool is too expensive for me! On another note, I pulled out my Lyman 50th edition, and Lyman notes that you must trim the cases shorter for both .357 and 45/70 with FTX bullets, but Lyman does not make that notation for 30/30.
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357, possibly 44 and 45-70 for sure you have to but think for 30-30 you are good to go.
lf the saying "Liar, Liar your pants on fire" were true Mainstream news might be fun to watch
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Re: To AI or not to AI?
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Thanks for the clarification.
IMO, trimming a little more than you have to is a good thing unless you've already got an extremely short neck like the .300 Savage. I'll go ahead and trim brass 0.015" or more than the suggested trim-to length just so I don't ever have to do it again. Trimming is a PITA. https://www.giraudtool.com/giraud-power-trimmer.htmlI believe I am quoting you with this. " With reloading, there is cheap, fast, and accurate. You can only have two of those." That tool is too expensive for me! On another note, I pulled out my Lyman 50th edition, and Lyman notes that you must trim the cases shorter for both .357 and 45/70 with FTX bullets, but Lyman does not make that notation for 30/30. Cheap, Right, Fast You can have only two. It applies to ANYTHING. I built my house myself. It is very, very right, and I saved a crazy amount of money. It took 14 months. ![crazy crazy](/forum/images/graemlins/default/crazy.gif)
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Mike, if you can't afford a $500 case trimmer that reliable sources praise, you can't afford to AI a 30-30 for little gain. I can't afford it either.
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Thanks for the clarification.
IMO, trimming a little more than you have to is a good thing unless you've already got an extremely short neck like the .300 Savage. I'll go ahead and trim brass 0.015" or more than the suggested trim-to length just so I don't ever have to do it again. Trimming is a PITA. https://www.giraudtool.com/giraud-power-trimmer.htmlThat tool is too expensive for me! As I've gotten older, my time is getting more and more expensive ![wink wink](/forum/images/graemlins/default/wink.gif)
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Thanks for the clarification.
IMO, trimming a little more than you have to is a good thing unless you've already got an extremely short neck like the .300 Savage. I'll go ahead and trim brass 0.015" or more than the suggested trim-to length just so I don't ever have to do it again. Trimming is a PITA. https://www.giraudtool.com/giraud-power-trimmer.htmlThat tool is too expensive for me! As I've gotten older, my time is getting more and more expensive ![wink wink](/forum/images/graemlins/default/wink.gif) Me too. But if my budget is limited, I'd rather spend $500 on Primers, bullets, and powder than a new trimmer. ![bounce bounce](/forum/images/graemlins/default/2270_.gif)
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Thanks for the clarification.
IMO, trimming a little more than you have to is a good thing unless you've already got an extremely short neck like the .300 Savage. I'll go ahead and trim brass 0.015" or more than the suggested trim-to length just so I don't ever have to do it again. Trimming is a PITA. https://www.giraudtool.com/giraud-power-trimmer.htmlThat tool is too expensive for me! As I've gotten older, my time is getting more and more expensive ![wink wink](/forum/images/graemlins/default/wink.gif) Definitely a supply and demand thing. When I was in my 40s I had no idea, and even my 50s but I only began to understand. These days, don't waste a minute of my time (like Verizon did to me last night---took three hours from my life I'll never get back and I won't ever forgive them!) or I may get irate and the last thing you want to see is a bill for it.
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Wouldn’t mess with it, it’s throwing darts.
Shot placement is paramount anyways.
JG brought up a good point, if a 22LR will do it, so will a 30-30
Just guesstimating but it will probably still deliver 1000 lbs of energy at 250.
Plenty of knock down for a deer imo.
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Coincidentally, I spent some time the last few days prepping .30-30 brass. I treated it just like I would treat brass for one of my bolt actions. FL size, trim, chamfer and debur, and debured the flash holes. Because I don't want to use up my CCI-200 or Fed 210 primers, I primed with Winchester Large Rifle. They don't tend to produce the lowest ES, but I'm going to have to accept that, for this project.
I have Leverloution powder, and am loaded with a 150 gr Hornady round nose. I will be doing a load development, like I would for any other rifle. Looking for what charge shoots the best, and making sure it is safe ammo. My rifle us a 1994 made Marlin 336. I will let you know what I learn. Leverloution is supposed to generate significantly more velocity than any other powder that is appropriate for .30-30
If we can put a Mil based scope on a .22 lr and make hits at 300 yards, and more, then the .30-30 can absolutely do it as well. The unknown is the energy delivery. That is unknown, because I haven't shot it yet and learned what MV it's going to have. My bullet won't have a very good BC, but it will give you an idea of the velocity potential with a 150 gr.
My rifle is currently wearing irons, the way God intended. If I still possess a scope base, I will put a scope on it for load development, and then take it back off once I'm done. Bumping this old thread. Jason, curious to know what you learned reloading your 30/30 with leverevolution powder.
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