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Re: Is it possible to get a suppressed AR to run clean?
[Re: J.G.]
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01/05/24 12:21 PM
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That might be the first time I've heard the AR called mediocre lol.
I respectfully disagree. I'm not about to call the most reliable, and widespread design mediocre. I basically run my ARs exclusively suppressed and maybe clean them every few hundred rounds if I'm bored. If the bolt feels a little sticky to close I'll toss a few drops of oil on there.
I think people sometimes mistake a gun being dirty with being unreliable. You should see the gunk that I clean out from my competition guns sometimes. A good design will prevent or move the carbon out of the areas where it can have an impact, or will be appropriately clearanced to deal with it. The AR is a great example of this, and will continue operating well beyond what might look dirty. The AK-47 might have something to say about the "most reliable" statement. As well as the "widespread" statement, when we are talking about the globe. This
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Re: Is it possible to get a suppressed AR to run clean?
[Re: BigPig]
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01/05/24 05:22 PM
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Due to malfunctioning firearms during qualifications, most large police departments have disallowed the use of silencers on AR-15 patrol rifles. And yet we are transitioning into SBR’s and suppressors. If it is designed from the word go to be a suppressed SBR then it will run just fine. The A5 buffer system is a godsend for this type of application. Putting a can on an overgassed carbine length gas system is begging for failures. Port pressures with a carbine length gas system is 40 percent higher than with a rifle length gas system already.
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Re: Is it possible to get a suppressed AR to run clean?
[Re: scot]
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Exactly. If you're aware of what running a suppressor does to a semi auto rifle, you can more than mitigate that. It's not rocket science, nor is it turning a gun into an unreliable junk heap.
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Re: Is it possible to get a suppressed AR to run clean?
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01/05/24 05:58 PM
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I remember bringing this up a few years ago and folks on here were in complete denial about it. Silencers and gas guns are a bad combination for a defense rifle. There are things you can do to limp them along but they will never be as trustworthy as a gun without one on it. I’m referring to trusting your life to it rather than shooting pigs or paper. All this talk of adding a suppressor to an AR making it unreliable has me scratching my head. I have a PSA 300BLK, 10.5" barrel with a suppressor on it. I have had exactly one malfunction. (same malfunction multiple times) and it was caused by one particular magazine where the last round would jam upon feeding. Mattered not if it was the first magazine after cleaning, or the 10th. That magazine found it's way to the burn pile. Otherwise, zero malfunctions ever. I do try to keep it clean (as it is my defensive rifle) but it currently has over 500 rounds without cleaning. Yes, it is dirty as refried sin, but still runs without a hiccup. And yes, it ejects spent cases to the 3:00 - 4:00 position, so it must be gassed properly.
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Re: Is it possible to get a suppressed AR to run clean?
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01/05/24 06:32 PM
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I remember bringing this up a few years ago and folks on here were in complete denial about it. Silencers and gas guns are a bad combination for a defense rifle. There are things you can do to limp them along but they will never be as trustworthy as a gun without one on it. I’m referring to trusting your life to it rather than shooting pigs or paper. All this talk of adding a suppressor to an AR making it unreliable has me scratching my head. I have a PSA 300BLK, 10.5" barrel with a suppressor on it. I have had exactly one malfunction. (same malfunction multiple times) and it was caused by one particular magazine where the last round would jam upon feeding. Mattered not if it was the first magazine after cleaning, or the 10th. That magazine found it's way to the burn pile. Otherwise, zero malfunctions ever. I do try to keep it clean (as it is my defensive rifle) but it currently has over 500 rounds without cleaning. Yes, it is dirty as refried sin, but still runs without a hiccup. And yes, it ejects spent cases to the 3:00 - 4:00 position, so it must be gassed properly. A larger bore ID reduces seen port pressure when compared to a cartridge loaded to the same pressure with a smaller bore. The same setup may become unreliable if you switched to 5.56.
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Re: Is it possible to get a suppressed AR to run clean?
[Re: scot]
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01/05/24 07:19 PM
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Well yeah shooting 5.56 down a 300blk barrel probably won't be very reliable 😜
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Re: Is it possible to get a suppressed AR to run clean?
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That might be the first time I've heard the AR called mediocre lol.
I respectfully disagree. I'm not about to call the most reliable, and widespread design mediocre. I basically run my ARs exclusively suppressed and maybe clean them every few hundred rounds if I'm bored. If the bolt feels a little sticky to close I'll toss a few drops of oil on there.
I think people sometimes mistake a gun being dirty with being unreliable. You should see the gunk that I clean out from my competition guns sometimes. A good design will prevent or move the carbon out of the areas where it can have an impact, or will be appropriately clearanced to deal with it. The AR is a great example of this, and will continue operating well beyond what might look dirty. The AK-47 might have something to say about the "most reliable" statement. As well as the "widespread" statement, when we are talking about the globe. Throw a suppressor on an AK and see how reliable it is even if cleaned.
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Re: Is it possible to get a suppressed AR to run clean?
[Re: HicksHunter]
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Well yeah shooting 5.56 down a 300blk barrel probably won't be very reliable 😜
LOL. Very true statement.
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Re: Is it possible to get a suppressed AR to run clean?
[Re: HicksHunter]
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01/05/24 11:14 PM
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Well yeah shooting 5.56 down a 300blk barrel probably won't be very reliable 😜
I guess that I should have been clearer. Switching to 5.56 chambered barrel and using the 5.56mm cartridge.
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Re: Is it possible to get a suppressed AR to run clean?
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Due to malfunctioning firearms during qualifications, most large police departments have disallowed the use of silencers on AR-15 patrol rifles. This is not true in the least-- in fact it's becoming the opposite as departments adopt, build, and maintain patrol rifle programs and see the benefits of suppressors. If 'large' departments are doing it then it's a leftist political agenda... or they don't want the added expense and the accountability of issuing them to thousands of officers.
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Re: Is it possible to get a suppressed AR to run clean?
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That might be the first time I've heard the AR called mediocre lol.
I respectfully disagree. I'm not about to call the most reliable, and widespread design mediocre. I basically run my ARs exclusively suppressed and maybe clean them every few hundred rounds if I'm bored. If the bolt feels a little sticky to close I'll toss a few drops of oil on there.
I think people sometimes mistake a gun being dirty with being unreliable. You should see the gunk that I clean out from my competition guns sometimes. A good design will prevent or move the carbon out of the areas where it can have an impact, or will be appropriately clearanced to deal with it. The AR is a great example of this, and will continue operating well beyond what might look dirty. The AK-47 might have something to say about the "most reliable" statement. As well as the "widespread" statement, when we are talking about the globe. Throw a suppressor on an AK and see how reliable it is even if cleaned. Suppressor + AK = baffle strike city!!!
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Re: Is it possible to get a suppressed AR to run clean?
[Re: scot]
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My 6.8spc doesnt like my suppressor much. I rarely had a malfunction before the suppressor. I did get an adjustable gas block and tuned it regularly but I kept getting cartridges stuck in the chamber. I wouldnt even have to shoot that much. Maybe 60 to 80 rounds without a cleaning and problems. I was using good ammo from WC. It was gassed perfectly but it was just dirty as heck. I did however put about 80 rounds through it last weekend without a hiccup. But i dont have confidence in it unless I clean it.
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Re: Is it possible to get a suppressed AR to run clean?
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01/06/24 01:15 AM
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^^^ What you are describing can be remedied by switching to an A5 buffer system. Cases get stuck when the timing is off and the timing is off because of the changes in pressure at the gas port. Shoot it long enough that way and you will break the extractor or just rip the rim off the case. I bet your cases are getting ejected at 1:00 or 2:00.
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Re: Is it possible to get a suppressed AR to run clean?
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01/06/24 03:39 AM
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I have a PSA AR15 that my thermal is on that I converted to piston with a Superlative Arms piston kit for this exact reason - DI was dang dirty running suppressed. I ran it about 100 rounds and thought “man, I bet it’s really dirty, better clean it”. I took it apart and was actually a little shocked at how clean it was. It was just 100 rounds, but I literally was able to clean the bolt/BCG and everything else with one paper towel and a little bit of CLR.
Several have said it, the cleanest running thing suppressed is a bolt rifle. ARs are by nature dirtier suppressed, but the SA piston kit made mine much cleaner and has been super reliable.
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Re: Is it possible to get a suppressed AR to run clean?
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I have a PSA AR15 that my thermal is on that I converted to piston with a Superlative Arms piston kit for this exact reason - DI was dang dirty running suppressed. I ran it about 100 rounds and thought “man, I bet it’s really dirty, better clean it”. I took it apart and was actually a little shocked at how clean it was. It was just 100 rounds, but I literally was able to clean the bolt/BCG and everything else with one paper towel and a little bit of CLR.
Several have said it, the cleanest running thing suppressed is a bolt rifle. ARs are by nature dirtier suppressed, but the SA piston kit made mine much cleaner and has been super reliable. I just installed the SA piston kit myself on a suppressed AR15. After 150 rounds the bolt still had oil and very no noticeable carbon fouling. I'm now going to convert another AR15 for a friend.
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Re: Is it possible to get a suppressed AR to run clean?
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01/06/24 09:48 PM
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That might be the first time I've heard the AR called mediocre lol.
I respectfully disagree. I'm not about to call the most reliable, and widespread design mediocre. I basically run my ARs exclusively suppressed and maybe clean them every few hundred rounds if I'm bored. If the bolt feels a little sticky to close I'll toss a few drops of oil on there.
I think people sometimes mistake a gun being dirty with being unreliable. You should see the gunk that I clean out from my competition guns sometimes. A good design will prevent or move the carbon out of the areas where it can have an impact, or will be appropriately clearanced to deal with it. The AR is a great example of this, and will continue operating well beyond what might look dirty. The AK-47 might have something to say about the "most reliable" statement. As well as the "widespread" statement, when we are talking about the globe. Where do you get an AK with a speaker on it?
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Re: Is it possible to get a suppressed AR to run clean?
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I have a PSA AR15 that my thermal is on that I converted to piston with a Superlative Arms piston kit for this exact reason - DI was dang dirty running suppressed. I ran it about 100 rounds and thought “man, I bet it’s really dirty, better clean it”. I took it apart and was actually a little shocked at how clean it was. It was just 100 rounds, but I literally was able to clean the bolt/BCG and everything else with one paper towel and a little bit of CLR.
Several have said it, the cleanest running thing suppressed is a bolt rifle. ARs are by nature dirtier suppressed, but the SA piston kit made mine much cleaner and has been super reliable. I just installed the SA piston kit myself on a suppressed AR15. After 150 rounds the bolt still had oil and very no noticeable carbon fouling. I'm now going to convert another AR15 for a friend. Aftermarket piston kits come with their own set of problems. The direct impingement system accelerates the bolt carrier quite slowly and progressively before unlocking the bolt. A gas piston setup slams the bolt carrier pretty hard and it is not progressive. For best results buy a gun it was engineered around the gas piston system to begin with. I have a 6.8 POF gas piston AR and am quite fond of it.
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