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Re: When to fire your gunsmith (or anyone for that matter)
[Re: cabosandinh]
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06/07/23 08:48 PM
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Yep, fired an ammo guy (THF member) because he did not do what he said he was going to do! His online reviews reflect as well. I would like to know who this is so I don't make the mistake of ordering if you don't want to post it here, please PM thanks That would be good to know.
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Re: When to fire your gunsmith (or anyone for that matter)
[Re: DustyArmadillo]
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06/07/23 09:01 PM
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Was anything of this in writing, such as a written estimate with the work to be performed?
He did this to you once. He smelled blood the second time around and damn, he got paid again. He probably sensed your kind nature and played it to his advantage, sorry that happened. Permanently installing that brake is over the top. I would have dropped cash on the counter for what I thought was fair for only the requested work and walked out.
An unethical shot is one you take, that you know you shouldn't.
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Re: When to fire your gunsmith (or anyone for that matter)
[Re: unclebubba]
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06/07/23 09:02 PM
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You specifically asked him NOT to paint the gun, and he did. You did NOT ask for a brake, and he installed one. That, my friend is WAAAY out of the line. Especially charging you for what you did not ask for. I do not like being confrontational either, but he'd have gotten an earful from me at pick up time, and the gun never would have left his shop in that condition. I'm getting pizzed just thinking about someone doing something like that to me. I don’t disagree with you, it had already been a weird day and this was the FU cherry on top to close it out. Curious part was that he forgot to charge me for other things so the bill was almost correct. Still about $250 above what it should’ve cost though. To me, I looked at it like I paid $250 to re-learn a very old lesson. Saw the red flags the first time and ignored it. Paid the price on the second go round. No one to blame but me.
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Re: When to fire your gunsmith (or anyone for that matter)
[Re: DustyArmadillo]
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06/07/23 09:09 PM
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onlysmith&wesson
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Scheels.
I know nothing about the quality of their work, but they have to have solid business practices. Their rates for services is posted and I bet that when you drop your gun off you leave with a written estimate for operations to be performed, and any deviation is approved with a text or phone call before they proceed. No reason a sole proprietor can't operate the same way.
An unethical shot is one you take, that you know you shouldn't.
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Re: When to fire your gunsmith (or anyone for that matter)
[Re: onlysmith&wesson]
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06/07/23 09:09 PM
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Was anything of this in writing, such as a written estimate with the work to be performed?
He did this to you once. He smelled blood the second time around and damn, he got paid again. He probably sensed your kind nature and played it to his advantage, sorry that happened. Permanently installing that brake is over the top. I would have dropped cash on the counter for what I thought was fair for only the requested work and walked out. Regrettably none of it was in writing. He was talking notes when I dropped the gun off so I trusted he knew what he was doing. Part of me wants to give him the benefit of the doubt and say he’s got early dementia but you could very well be right about him smelling blood in the water.
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Re: When to fire your gunsmith (or anyone for that matter)
[Re: onlysmith&wesson]
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06/07/23 09:49 PM
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Scheels. any deviation is approved with a text or phone call before they proceed. No reason a sole proprietor can't operate the same way. It's what I do. Here's whats wrong, here's how it can or cannot be fixed. Here's how good or bad it shot. I've been asked to pillar and bed, only to find out it is already done. No charge. Here's your load development pics (usually good news). There was one a few weeks ago, I suggested it was a bad barrel. And let's quit throwing good money after bad. Honesty is the best policy.
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Re: When to fire your gunsmith (or anyone for that matter)
[Re: DustyArmadillo]
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06/07/23 10:09 PM
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Re: When to fire your gunsmith (or anyone for that matter)
[Re: Texas Dan]
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06/07/23 11:43 PM
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Yep, fired an ammo guy (THF member) because he did not do what he said he was going to do! His online reviews reflect as well. No matter the profession, without any form of industry credentials you have nothing other than reviews from past customers to get an idea of someone's knowledge and expertise. You are the guy thay says a college degree automatically makes the person holding it smart. Just like a demonrat. You believe things that are just not so.
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Re: When to fire your gunsmith (or anyone for that matter)
[Re: DustyArmadillo]
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06/07/23 11:50 PM
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Post his company name
We need to know who is too retarded to do what they are paid to do only
It’s a good policy.
I for one don’t want to use this gunsmith but I don’t know who he/she is and who to avoid
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Re: When to fire your gunsmith (or anyone for that matter)
[Re: DustyArmadillo]
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06/08/23 01:07 AM
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Sent you a PM GusWayne.
Happy to inform anyone else who is curious but would prefer to do it privately.
Got his name from someone on this forum and don’t want to burn any bridges.
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Re: When to fire your gunsmith (or anyone for that matter)
[Re: DustyArmadillo]
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06/08/23 01:37 AM
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I want to know. We may have things to discuss.
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Re: When to fire your gunsmith (or anyone for that matter)
[Re: DustyArmadillo]
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06/08/23 01:48 AM
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I don’t know why people pass it around behind closed doors, if it’s true state facts and everyone has to deal with them.
In business, if they did something I did not request I would not be paying for it.
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Re: When to fire your gunsmith (or anyone for that matter)
[Re: unclebubba]
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06/08/23 02:12 AM
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I'd not use him again after him doing it twice but I'd ask him to fix the stuff you didn't want and not charge you.... Man I'm not a confrontational guy unless someone is just waaay out of line. Would rather just take the loss and try to forget about it.  He's also 45 mins away so there's that You specifically asked him NOT to paint the gun, and he did. You did NOT ask for a brake, and he installed one. That, my friend is WAAAY out of the line. Especially charging you for what you did not ask for. I do not like being confrontational either, but he'd have gotten an earful from me at pick up time, and the gun never would have left his shop in that condition. I'm getting pizzed just thinking about someone doing something like that to me. Same. This story seems like theft/ransom or something. Absurd.
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Re: When to fire your gunsmith (or anyone for that matter)
[Re: LonestarCobra]
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06/08/23 02:18 AM
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Yep, fired an ammo guy (THF member) because he did not do what he said he was going to do! His online reviews reflect as well. I would like to know who this is so I don't make the mistake of ordering if you don't want to post it here, please PM thanks That would be good to know. Not hard to figure out. He's burned more than a handful on here and other forums.
Just to make sure that it is done thoroughly, I go both ways.
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Re: When to fire your gunsmith (or anyone for that matter)
[Re: TexFlip]
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06/08/23 02:23 AM
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Yep, fired an ammo guy (THF member) because he did not do what he said he was going to do! His online reviews reflect as well. I would like to know who this is so I don't make the mistake of ordering if you don't want to post it here, please PM thanks That would be good to know. Not hard to figure out. He's burned more than a handful on here and other forums. Who was it?
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Re: When to fire your gunsmith (or anyone for that matter)
[Re: DustyArmadillo]
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06/08/23 03:36 AM
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Not my intent to be overly secretive.
Have to be careful about what you post publicly though.
Sent PMs to those who asked.
I’m sure there are many who have nothing but good things to say about the guy.
Just hasn’t been my experience.
Your mileage may vary.
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Re: When to fire your gunsmith (or anyone for that matter)
[Re: TexFlip]
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06/08/23 11:32 AM
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Yep, fired an ammo guy (THF member) because he did not do what he said he was going to do! His online reviews reflect as well. I would like to know who this is so I don't make the mistake of ordering if you don't want to post it here, please PM thanks That would be good to know. Not hard to figure out. He's burned more than a handful on here and other forums. Odd you say that. I know who it is now because I ask and have never heard a single bad word about this smith. I think these issues are a recent event in his life. Maybe the last year or so. I also think this information should be public but given the circumstances I don’t want to be the one to out him either. When I used him he told me he could start immediately because all his work was waiting on parts and he had 13 customers parts going out to cerakote. I thought that odd when he said it. I know now that was odd. I’m guessing he didn’t have 13 customers wanting cerakote.
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Re: When to fire your gunsmith (or anyone for that matter)
[Re: DustyArmadillo]
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06/08/23 11:36 AM
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Texasflip, give me two more examples of this smith having issues and I’ll out him myself. If it’s the same guy.
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Re: When to fire your gunsmith (or anyone for that matter)
[Re: DustyArmadillo]
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06/08/23 02:14 PM
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I'll take a PM to get the name please.
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Re: When to fire your gunsmith (or anyone for that matter)
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06/08/23 03:41 PM
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Didn't know we had any gunsmiths on here other than :
TDK and this doesn't sound like a service he offers.
Oh Yea KENZ but aren't they just handguns?
I don't see Trigger Time on here anymore..
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Re: When to fire your gunsmith (or anyone for that matter)
[Re: DustyArmadillo]
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06/08/23 04:34 PM
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Some of y'all need reading comprehension lessons.
The Dude was speaking of firing an ammo guy...he's been very verbal here in the past with his axe he has to grind. I'm not taking sides I'm just saying he's been pretty up front in who that is and stated his reasons. The other party said his piece and has moved on, for good measure he isn't changing The Dude's perspective or position.
We have several gunsmiths on the form...TDK, Trigger Time, S&S's crew, Kenz, etc...I don't exactly know who Dusty is referring to but I am 99% it's none of them and pretty much suspect whom it is. I know exactly who wp's is because I had asked previously because I wasn't aware of anyone in the town he had mentioned (in another post).
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Re: When to fire your gunsmith (or anyone for that matter)
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06/08/23 04:51 PM
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Texasflip, give me two more examples of this smith having issues and I’ll out him myself. If it’s the same guy. Yeah it was a guy on here that sells reloads not a smith.
Just to make sure that it is done thoroughly, I go both ways.
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Re: When to fire your gunsmith (or anyone for that matter)
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06/08/23 05:08 PM
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Some of y'all need reading comprehension lessons.
The Dude was speaking of firing an ammo guy...he's been very verbal here in the past with his axe he has to grind. I'm not taking sides I'm just saying he's been pretty up front in who that is and stated his reasons. The other party said his piece and has moved on, for good measure he isn't changing The Dude's perspective or position.
We have several gunsmiths on the form...TDK, Trigger Time, S&S's crew, Kenz, etc...I don't exactly know who Dusty is referring to but I am 99% it's none of them and pretty much suspect whom it is. I know exactly who wp's is because I had asked previously because I wasn't aware of anyone in the town he had mentioned (in another post). @Judd...spot on with the reading comprehension comment. The past is the past. No need to mention that person by name any longer.
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Re: When to fire your gunsmith (or anyone for that matter)
[Re: TexFlip]
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06/08/23 05:32 PM
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Texasflip, give me two more examples of this smith having issues and I’ll out him myself. If it’s the same guy. Yeah it was a guy on here that sells reloads not a smith. the guy that sell Reloads on here, must be Chad
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Re: When to fire your gunsmith (or anyone for that matter)
[Re: DustyArmadillo]
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06/08/23 06:05 PM
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so who is the gunsmith in question so we can all avoid a hassle?
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