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Safer Schools
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03/30/23 06:43 PM
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unclebubba
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In recent discussions on here about the recent school shooting, I think I cam up with a great idea for making the schools safer. Feel free to shoot holes in my theory and offer differing opinions. My thought is that officers on campus, although they might not stop these things from happening, will save lives simply by cutting the response time WAY down. I have heard the argument that we don't have funds to put an SRO in all schools. What if we put an office space in every school that is open to any patrol officer or detective at any time to stop in and do paperwork. Or have lunch...maybe even cater free lunches for officers. LEOs, how much of your shift is spent on paperwork? and lunches? Maybe you would not end up with full coverage, but there would be a much greater Police Presence at the schools.
If you have an idea, let's hear it.
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Re: Safer Schools
[Re: unclebubba]
#8826123
03/30/23 07:06 PM
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Sneaky
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How many people die in school shootings each year?
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Re: Safer Schools
[Re: Sneaky]
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03/30/23 07:19 PM
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unclebubba
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How many people die in school shootings each year? Too many.
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Re: Safer Schools
[Re: unclebubba]
#8826132
03/30/23 07:30 PM
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texasag93
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Park a retired (not too old) police car in front of the school. Move it regularly.
Our schools were one of the first in the nation to train staff and teachers and allow them to carry.
Argyle ISD.
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Re: Safer Schools
[Re: unclebubba]
#8826136
03/30/23 07:34 PM
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I just went to the local HS to pick up the neighbor’s kid and take him to the eye doctor. I had to stand on the X in front of the camera, push a button, introduce myself and state why I was there. Took a while. Two layers of security doors between me and the inside of the school. I was not allowed inside, though I didn’t need to be.
Not my monkeys, not my circus...
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Re: Safer Schools
[Re: unclebubba]
#8826215
03/30/23 10:23 PM
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RayB
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There's a lot of combat vets out there who could use a good paying job and would have no problem running to the gun fire
There is time, and you must take it, to lay your hand on your dog's head as you walk past him lying on the floor or on his settle, time to talk with him, to remember with him, time to please him, time you can't buy back once he's gone" GBE
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Re: Safer Schools
[Re: 603Country]
#8826394
03/31/23 04:37 AM
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I just went to the local HS to pick up the neighbor’s kid and take him to the eye doctor. I had to stand on the X in front of the camera, push a button, introduce myself and state why I was there. Took a while. Two layers of security doors between me and the inside of the school. I was not allowed inside, though I didn’t need to be. What were those doors made of? My kids school uses a very similar system that I was previously impressed by. I looked today, and the doors look like glass just like in Nashville.
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Re: Safer Schools
[Re: unclebubba]
#8826876
04/01/23 05:09 AM
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How many people die in school shootings each year? Too many. If even one child dies in a shooting it is a horrible tragedy but it is a very valid point. I think the worst year in history there were 61 deaths in school shootings. No doubt that is terrible but every year in recent history over 1,000 children die in automobile crashes, around 900 die from drowning, and I am sure there are many other causes that kill more than school shootings. None of these things are really easy to solve but if you just reduced the number that die due to car crashes or drowning by 10% you would save more children than if you stopped 100% of the school shootings. I am not saying we shouldn’t do something I am just saying if the goal is saving children’s lives you could likely save more by focusing your efforts elsewhere. The other causes just don’t get the headlines like school shootings do even though they claim far more lives.
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Re: Safer Schools
[Re: Sewer rat]
#8826885
04/01/23 11:13 AM
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N.Tx
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How many people die in school shootings each year? Too many. If even one child dies in a shooting it is a horrible tragedy but it is a very valid point. I think the worst year in history there were 61 deaths in school shootings. No doubt that is terrible but every year in recent history over 1,000 children die in automobile crashes, around 900 die from drowning, and I am sure there are many other causes that kill more than school shootings. None of these things are really easy to solve but if you just reduced the number that die due to car crashes or drowning by 10% you would save more children than if you stopped 100% of the school shootings. I am not saying we shouldn’t do something I am just saying if the goal is saving children’s lives you could likely save more by focusing your efforts elsewhere. The other causes just don’t get the headlines like school shootings do even though they claim far more lives. I think the focus is more towards controlling the controlables. Accidents happen and always will, but schools don’t always have to be vulnerable.
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Re: Safer Schools
[Re: unclebubba]
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04/01/23 02:52 PM
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Big Fitz
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In recent discussions on here about the recent school shooting, I think I cam up with a great idea for making the schools safer. Feel free to shoot holes in my theory and offer differing opinions. My thought is that officers on campus, although they might not stop these things from happening, will save lives simply by cutting the response time WAY down. I have heard the argument that we don't have funds to put an SRO in all schools. What if we put an office space in every school that is open to any patrol officer or detective at any time to stop in and do paperwork. Or have lunch...maybe even cater free lunches for officers. LEOs, how much of your shift is spent on paperwork? and lunches? Maybe you would not end up with full coverage, but there would be a much greater Police Presence at the schools.
If you have an idea, let's hear it. I like the idea. Anything to get more Police presence on campus will surely help.
I was wrong...on anything technical. Fitz............. is right, ya know............
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Re: Safer Schools
[Re: N.Tx]
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04/02/23 03:57 AM
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I think the focus is more towards controlling the controlables. Accidents happen and always will, but schools don’t always have to be vulnerable.
How many of those accidents were preventable? How many were not wearing seatbelts? How many were not in proper car seats? How many was speeding an issue? How many drownings were due to not having life jackets? How many due to improper supervision? Increased education and awareness could likely reduce the numbers of deaths. There are something like 131,000 schools in the US. You have no idea which school is going to be the next target so it would be a massive undertaking to implement whatever it is at all of them. I have two kids. One is a 6th grader and the other started college this year. Between the two of them and their events I have been in a dozen schools and all of them had pretty reasonable security protocols in place. Were any of the schools Fort Knox? No but I never left any of them thinking wow they should be doing more. I think arming teachers that want to be armed and have proper training is great. Having a cop at each school is great. I am not saying anything that could help is a bad idea I am just saying as horrific as they are school shootings kill far less kids than many other things and if the goal was to save lives I think efforts on other things could save more.
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Re: Safer Schools
[Re: unclebubba]
#8827278
04/02/23 02:03 PM
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This is real simple…..my kids school district had a police officer assigned to every school and locked doors with security cameras….. my kids never once said they felt like they were in prison……before the football stadium gets built you pay for security and law enforcement…..
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Re: Safer Schools
[Re: unclebubba]
#8827342
04/02/23 04:51 PM
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Texas buckeye
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You gotta stop thinking like law abiding people. Criminals dont think like that, so think outside the box.
The only way to prevent deaths in school is to close schools 100%, so the idea of stopping all school killings is not going to happen in the US society with all its gang related fighting and issues.
However, lots of good out of the box ideas are out there. Some simple fixed could make things much safer.
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Re: Safer Schools
[Re: unclebubba]
#8827346
04/02/23 05:06 PM
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Payne
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The public schools here are elementary, jr high and high school all on one campus. There are six of these signs all around the campus.
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Re: Safer Schools
[Re: unclebubba]
#8827351
04/02/23 05:27 PM
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SapperTitan
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Only way to stop school shooting is to weed out the rejects early on. Feed them to great white sharks before they are old enough to carry out a shooting. If your a loaner, bad grades, claim to be another sex besides what you were born, cause problems throw them off a cliff. Parents go with them.
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