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Re: Breast implants [Re: Black02z28] #8718759 10/26/22 06:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Black02z28
Not the hump day thread I thought it was going to be.


Ditto. Quite the let down.


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My wife had had them close to 20 years, thankfully no issues yet. And for the record I was against them lol


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Re: Breast implants [Re: nsmike] #8718762 10/26/22 06:39 PM
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Reading about the possible causes, I would think that anyone with a family history of autoimmune problems, should stay away from them, women aren't the only ones, there are testicular implants for men.


There are implants for pretty much anything you want out there. They all show a desire to fix a problem that only the person getting them sees....it is a mind issue, not a body issue. Even in reconstructive cases after mastectomy or other surgeries, the world has no issue with the lack of...it is the person who is receiving them that has the issue of not having something and the desire to feel "made whole" that drives the implants.

I say that as a man who has never lost breasts, so please take that for what it is. I do not understand why women largely take their beauty advice from other women and allow themselves to be made to feel "less than" by a bunch of magazines and other women. It boggles my mind.

In reconstructive situations there are huge mental health issues to consider, I lost a testicle to trauma, my implant was a huge help to me in mentally dealing with the loss.


Exactly, and that is why I said it is a mind issue not a body issue.

In reconstructive cases the lack of the missing part is usually enough.

In cosmetic cases, there is nothing than can appease the lack of self esteem. 603's post pointed that out quite well.

A whole industry all about a mental image. Body dysphoria disorder is a real thing. And it isn't even the worst in the US. Other country's have it a lot worse

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Silent, slow leaking silicone infiltrating lung tissue can trigger an autoimmune response - potentially triggering pulmonary fibrosis. The first indication was lung imaging that looked like BB shot which were nodules forming.


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I think it’s like almost anything else. Things affect people differently than others, and in most cases it’s an extreme reaction to something that 99.9% of people aren’t affected by. Whether it’s food or medication allergies, vaccines (not Covid, but the regular schedule most kids get), smoking causing cancer, or whatever, some people have different tolerances for things and I imagine it’s usually seen as anecdotal because it’s extremely hard to study when the affected population is minuscule.

There are people who smoke three packs a day and drink half a bottle of whiskey everyday that live to be 80 or 90 and die of old age, and there are people who smoke a pack a day for 10 years and die of lung cancer at 45.


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Re: Breast implants [Re: Duck_Hunter] #8718798 10/26/22 07:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Duck_Hunter
I think it’s like almost anything else. Things affect people differently than others, and in most cases it’s an extreme reaction to something that 99.9% of people aren’t affected by. Whether it’s food or medication allergies, vaccines (not Covid, but the regular schedule most kids get), smoking causing cancer, or whatever, some people have different tolerances for things and I imagine it’s usually seen as anecdotal because it’s extremely hard to study when the affected population is minuscule.

There are people who smoke three packs a day and drink half a bottle of whiskey everyday that live to be 80 or 90 and die of old age, and there are people who smoke a pack a day for 10 years and die of lung cancer at 45.


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My wife once told me small breasted women were smarter, my mouth ran before my brain could kick in, I said you must be a friggen genius. She hit me laugh


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I can report they are out now including the capsule. There was obvious disease in there confirmed by surgeon. I would post a pic but you can find similar on the web if desired.

The only purpose of this original post was to make sure people know the risks. Many with breast implant illness end up really frustrated until it’s finally diagnosed. They often go through this whole series of specialists, tests, and treatments that don’t really help.

Upon pathology inspection it was determined there was a recall based on manufacturer and serial number. She was never informed. And it was a well known plastic surgeon still practicing. This could get interesting.

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Originally Posted by RayB
My wife once told me small breasted women were smarter, my mouth ran before my brain could kick in, I said you must be a friggen genius. She hit me laugh



rofl


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My wife once told me small breasted women were smarter, my mouth ran before my brain could kick in, I said you must be a friggen genius. She hit me laugh



rofl

Yea....that's just damn funny!


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Re: Breast implants [Re: Texas buckeye] #8718935 10/26/22 10:46 PM
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I think it’s like almost anything else. Things affect people differently than others, and in most cases it’s an extreme reaction to something that 99.9% of people aren’t affected by. Whether it’s food or medication allergies, vaccines (not Covid, but the regular schedule most kids get), smoking causing cancer, or whatever, some people have different tolerances for things and I imagine it’s usually seen as anecdotal because it’s extremely hard to study when the affected population is minuscule.

There are people who smoke three packs a day and drink half a bottle of whiskey everyday that live to be 80 or 90 and die of old age, and there are people who smoke a pack a day for 10 years and die of lung cancer at 45.


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Friend had a double mastectomy. She fell last week, thought she busted one of her implants. Doctor said all was goo after MRI.


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Originally Posted by Buzzsaw
Friend had a double mastectomy. She fell last week, thought she busted one of her implants. Doctor said all was goo after MRI.


Why did she think she busted one? She didnt bounce up off the ground as expected?

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Originally Posted by Texas buckeye
As a medical professional, this thread is going in places I don't think it was intended, but let me clear some water and dispel a few myths.

1. doctors do not make money from industries such as implant manufacturers or pharmaceutical companies. They do not pay us any money UNLESS the doctor is on their research and development panels doing studies. If someone is doing a study, there are way bunches of papers to be filled out and consent has to be done, so you would know it. Other than that situation, no doctor gets paid for using a specific product or drug. These reps can not even give us a pen as a gift anymore, the govt regulated that decades ago (unlike many other professions, including politicians)

2. if you think a doctor wants to have sick people to make money off, then you are twisted. I can guarantee you the last thing any plastic surgeon wants is a bunch of sick people sitting in their office or online making bad reviews. Yes, sick people are how we make a living, but we as a professional have a vow to try our best to make them better. Does everyone have the same thoughts on how that is done? of course not. But it does not mean we want to keep people sick. Trust me when I say there are plenty of other sick people out there for us to make a living from. We don't need to intentionally keep people sick to make money off. That is twisted and shows a fundamental lack of understanding of what medicine is about. Plus, if you really feel that way about your doctor, there are plenty of other doctors out there to try. If you stay at a practice you think is not fulfilling their role of making you well, you have every right to leave and go elsewhere. If you don't, maybe you are part of the problem.

3. Cosmetic surgery is elective. Now I understand there are some who get implants for breast cancer reasons, but quite a lot of these people complaining about implant illness are cosmetic patients. Cosmetic surgery deals with a different set of patients to begin with. I will leave that right there.

4. Many people understand the issues and are willing to take the implants out. To act like there is some nationwide medical resistance to remove an implant in someone who feels bad after having them is just not a fair statement. The problem is many of those getting them removed want something else replacing the lost implant....that is where the rub lies. What do you do there? Tough decisions need to be made.

5. A lot of people do not understand medical research or research in general. There can be a causal relationship shown in research that does not mean something causes another thing. For instance, I can have research that shows ice cream consumption is directly linked to crime. Just because I can show the link does not mean ice cream eating causes crime. The studies have to be done properly with good controls and proper statistics. Much of the research into these kinds of things is garbage science, some of it isn't. Sorting through the weeds and finding good research can be tough, because unfortunately research has been pervaded by politics (not talking strictly about the govt politics here). So be careful what you allow yourself to believe, it can be based on faulty research.


Carry on...


Are you a doctor? Just curious because your response seems way more intelligent than the typical bubba comments (myself included above).

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Reminds me of the meeting with the implant doctor before my wife’s upgrades. I had concerns about them maybe rupturing or leaking. He opened a desk drawer and tossed me one and said “tear it open if you can”. I tried my best, but could not damage it in any way. Many years later she had heard about some of that type leaking, so she had the first set replaced. The set removed showed no sign of being less than perfect. And, in my layman’s opinion they had felt perfect when they were in place all those years. The replacement set didn’t feel as natural. Don’t tell her I said that…

I should mention that the doctor said he’d seen and had to clean up two ruptures over time. One lady ruptured one in a car wreck, hitting the steering wheel. The other woman ruptured it in a bicycle wreck - on the handle bar.

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Do the problems relate to the older silicone implants, or does it include the ones that are filled with a saline solution? My ex had the silicone implants and they leaked. It was quite a mess for the surgeon to clean it all out.

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Do the problems relate to the older silicone implants, or does it include the ones that are filled with a saline solution? My ex had the silicone implants and they leaked. It was quite a mess for the surgeon to clean it all out.


These were saline ones. Most of what you read about with breast implant illness are saline. Note what I wrote about the discovery during pathology.

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Rumor has it, and I have it from an impeccable source that the saline ones gurgle.


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As a medical professional, this thread is going in places I don't think it was intended, but let me clear some water and dispel a few myths.

1. doctors do not make money from industries such as implant manufacturers or pharmaceutical companies. They do not pay us any money UNLESS the doctor is on their research and development panels doing studies. If someone is doing a study, there are way bunches of papers to be filled out and consent has to be done, so you would know it. Other than that situation, no doctor gets paid for using a specific product or drug. These reps can not even give us a pen as a gift anymore, the govt regulated that decades ago (unlike many other professions, including politicians)

2. if you think a doctor wants to have sick people to make money off, then you are twisted. I can guarantee you the last thing any plastic surgeon wants is a bunch of sick people sitting in their office or online making bad reviews. Yes, sick people are how we make a living, but we as a professional have a vow to try our best to make them better. Does everyone have the same thoughts on how that is done? of course not. But it does not mean we want to keep people sick. Trust me when I say there are plenty of other sick people out there for us to make a living from. We don't need to intentionally keep people sick to make money off. That is twisted and shows a fundamental lack of understanding of what medicine is about. Plus, if you really feel that way about your doctor, there are plenty of other doctors out there to try. If you stay at a practice you think is not fulfilling their role of making you well, you have every right to leave and go elsewhere. If you don't, maybe you are part of the problem.

3. Cosmetic surgery is elective. Now I understand there are some who get implants for breast cancer reasons, but quite a lot of these people complaining about implant illness are cosmetic patients. Cosmetic surgery deals with a different set of patients to begin with. I will leave that right there.

4. Many people understand the issues and are willing to take the implants out. To act like there is some nationwide medical resistance to remove an implant in someone who feels bad after having them is just not a fair statement. The problem is many of those getting them removed want something else replacing the lost implant....that is where the rub lies. What do you do there? Tough decisions need to be made.

5. A lot of people do not understand medical research or research in general. There can be a causal relationship shown in research that does not mean something causes another thing. For instance, I can have research that shows ice cream consumption is directly linked to crime. Just because I can show the link does not mean ice cream eating causes crime. The studies have to be done properly with good controls and proper statistics. Much of the research into these kinds of things is garbage science, some of it isn't. Sorting through the weeds and finding good research can be tough, because unfortunately research has been pervaded by politics (not talking strictly about the govt politics here). So be careful what you allow yourself to believe, it can be based on faulty research.


Carry on...


Are you a doctor? Just curious because your response seems way more intelligent than the typical bubba comments (myself included above).


Yes, but dont do the cosmetic stuff. Been around it enough to know enough tho

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My wife once told me small breasted women were smarter, my mouth ran before my brain could kick in, I said you must be a friggen genius. She hit me laugh

Now that’s funny!



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[quote=Texas buckeye]As a medical professional, this thread is going in places I don't think it was intended, but let me clear some water and dispel a few myths.

Are you a doctor? Just curious because your response seems way more intelligent than the typical bubba comments (myself included above).


Yes, but dont do the cosmetic stuff. Been around it enough to know enough tho


Nice. Kinda refreshing to hear from someone that is legit and didnt just read something on the internet or watch a video on Youtube.

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We’ve lived through this. The comedians aren’t funny here. There is a real problem for certain people. I don’t care what anyone says. Most of the doctors my wife called and spoke with said that if this was insurance, it would be months before she could get an appointment. If paying cash, then they could see her almost immediately. Almost every one was happy to remove the implants if they could sell her replacements. It’s a Big business! I nearly lost my wife over this. If anyone doesn’t like my comments. It’s your problem. Being offended is a CHOICE.

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We’ve lived through this. The comedians aren’t funny here. There is a real problem for certain people. I don’t care what anyone says. Most of the doctors my wife called and spoke with said that if this was insurance, it would be months before she could get an appointment. If paying cash, then they could see her almost immediately. Almost every one was happy to remove the implants if they could sell her replacements. It’s a Big business! I nearly lost my wife over this. If anyone doesn’t like my comments. It’s your problem. Being offended is a CHOICE.


Lighten up Francis, this is a hunting forum not a breast screening clinic. We all live through crap every day so your not alone in your struggles. Bitch, whine, cry or laugh but we all deal with crap differently and I don’t come on here to listen to people bitch about an elective surgery that didn’t go right. Go figure,

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