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Shotgun hunting questions #8678040 08/31/22 05:24 PM
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I don't understand shotgun factory ammo choices. New to hunting. Most shotguns shoot at least 3" loads. And the dove loads are all described as "heavy" or "field" vs lower power "target" loads. Also there is high brass vs low brass and other differences I just don't understand. So I have a few questions:

Why doesn't WM or Academy carry 3" or 3.5" loads for dove with more pellets or powder?
When a load says "heavy", is that referring to the amount of pellets or something else?
What is the functional purpose of "high brass" versus "low brass"?

Thanks in advance

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With a 3 or 3.5 load you wont have a dove to eat

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get some 1 1/8 7.5 at 1250 to 1300 you will be fine. if your good get 1 oz

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chech out shotgunworld.com that will help

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Originally Posted by nesikabay
get some 1 1/8 7.5 at 1250 to 1300 you will be fine. if your good get 1 oz

I got 2 boxes - one was 1 1/8, other was 1 1/4. Both 7.5 shot, I think one was around 1220 fps and one was around 1300.

What is high brass vs low brass? Understand the brass is taller in high brass, but what is the functional difference? And what does "heavy" mean?

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What is high brass vs low brass? High brass has more powder in the round. Low brass has less powder in the round. Heavy usually refers to the shot inside the case. Generally bigger or more shot compared to other similar rounds.

You will want to shoot 2 3/4" shells for dove. 3" or 3 1/2" would have heavy recoil and destroy the bird. A simple 2 3/4" shell with 7.5 or 8 shot works fine for dove.



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There is no longer a functional difference between high brass and low brass. It used to be that high brass had more powder and the brass was for strength. That is no longer necessary as you can put bigger powder loads in modern low brass shells. Today, it is just marketing to designate a heavier load from a lighter one.

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Have to ask since y'all are in the subject, wtf is dram eq?


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Originally Posted by HandyMan91
Have to ask since y'all are in the subject, wtf is dram eq?


Dram was the unit of measure for volume of black powder loaded in shells when it was still in use. Dram eq. is a measure of measure representing smokeless powder used to yield the same velocity with that amount of shot as that amount of black powder would produce. I do not know why it is still used these days other than tradition. Why not just have the shot load and velocity which is on most shotgun shell boxes these days so Dram eq is redundant and not needed IMO.


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Originally Posted by ChadTRG42
What is high brass vs low brass? High brass has more powder in the round. Low brass has less powder in the round. Heavy usually refers to the shot inside the case. Generally bigger or more shot compared to other similar rounds.

You will want to shoot 2 3/4" shells for dove. 3" or 3 1/2" would have heavy recoil and destroy the bird. A simple 2 3/4" shell with 7.5 or 8 shot works fine for dove.

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Originally Posted by SherpaPhil
There is no longer a functional difference between high brass and low brass. It used to be that high brass had more powder and the brass was for strength. That is no longer necessary as you can put bigger powder loads in modern low brass shells. Today, it is just marketing to designate a heavier load from a lighter one.

Yep. Good example is the Winchester AA Sporting shells, which is what I use for dove. Low brass but moves the 1 1/8 oz of shot at 1300 fps. I also like them because they seem to have less recoil than most other 1300 fps loads.


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Originally Posted by kmon11
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Have to ask since y'all are in the subject, wtf is dram eq?


Dram was the unit of measure for volume of black powder loaded in shells when it was still in use. Dram eq. is a measure of measure representing smokeless powder used to yield the same velocity with that amount of shot as that amount of black powder would produce. I do not know why it is still used these days other than tradition. Why not just have the shot load and velocity which is on most shotgun shell boxes these days so Dram eq is redundant and not needed IMO.


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What is the functional purpose of "high brass" versus "low brass"?


Many years ago when a LOT of people could not read, a visual indication of the power of a shotgun was the BRASS. High BRASS indicated the more powerful load and low BRASS the lesser power shell.

BTW with a very good dove hunt using 3 or 3.5 shells, you will NEVER want to dove hunt again.





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Originally Posted by DLALLDER
What is the functional purpose of "high brass" versus "low brass"?


Many years ago when a LOT of people could not read, a visual indication of the power of a shotgun was the BRASS. High BRASS indicated the more powerful load and low BRASS the lesser power shell.

BTW with a very good dove hunt using 3 or 3.5 shells, you will NEVER want to dove hunt again.


rofl it wasn’t a reading issue, it is a paper versus plastic issue wink

Plastic was a game changer for shotgun hulls and eliminated the reason to need high brass.


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Yep, high brass was needed in paper shells for black powder loads. Black power tends to create pin holes in paper hulls from the burning powder. High brass mitigated that issue and paper hulls lasted longer.


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I’ve been known to provide “watch me and do as I do” lessons if a person has a really good dove patch!!


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Originally Posted by nesikabay
With a 3 or 3.5 load you wont have a dove to eat

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From my experience people that shoot 3 or 3 1/2 shells at dove are such bad shots they are just wasting more money on ammo to miss! It's a little bird so adding ammo to the sky is waste of resources...1 pellet to head kills them so just learn to get proper lead and judge distance and shot string should do it's job. I shoot 7/8 in 20 gauge and if they are handy 1 oz in 12 gauge works. People kill dove with a 410 so proof amount of lead ain't a solution.


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Waste to use heavy shells for dove. I killed more with 1 1/8 #8 at 1050fps from the 12ga when I was using it than any other load. That was my skeet load and worked well for that. I would have gone 1oz loads but bought a couple seasons worth of skeet and trap leagues worth of components from an estate sale and did not bother to change it. Switched to 20ga for a few years not shoot a 28ga. Like said dove are not hard to kill just put one in the pattern within effective range and get ready to clean it and wrap in bacon and grill.


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Interesting, RLoving…would you please explain how you judge shot string? Thx.


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Originally Posted by Judd
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What is the functional purpose of "high brass" versus "low brass"?


Many years ago when a LOT of people could not read, a visual indication of the power of a shotgun was the BRASS. High BRASS indicated the more powerful load and low BRASS the lesser power shell.

BTW with a very good dove hunt using 3 or 3.5 shells, you will NEVER want to dove hunt again.


rofl it wasn’t a reading issue, it is a paper versus plastic issue wink

Plastic was a game changer for shotgun hulls and eliminated the reason to need high brass.


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With a 3 or 3.5 load you wont have a dove to eat

^^^^^ THIS!!!

Well why do they run a "heavy" 2 3/4 load when you could just run a 3" load instead?

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"Heavy" is multiuse. It can be a larger load of shot (1-1/4oz, 1-3/8oz, etc), larger shot size (4, 5 etc), and larger powder charge (producing feet per second shots of 1250, 1350, 1400 fps). Heavy shotshells are generally usable for longer shots and hitting larger birds. In my opinion, just mine, the only reason to use a "heavy" 2-3/4" shell (in 7.5, 8, or 9 shot) would be for late season doves that have gotten gunshy and leave early. Pattern matters on either load (heavy or light) - too tight with a heavy load and two things will happen, a mushed bird and a sore shoulder after a few boxes of shells.


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