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 Re: Low "T"?
[Re: Texican]
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12/05/23 05:28 PM
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This is something I have researched a lot. There is lots of evidence that most men don't have "low T". It is now being shown your T doesn't get lower as we age like they think. Low T is mostly due to poor diets. Most men don't eat enough good fats. T is dispersed throughout your system through good fat cells (Olive oil, coconut oil, avocados, fish oil, etc.). I had my T levels checked two years ago and they were low. I now eat one meal a day, the meal is very large but all good, healthy food. I eat a protein, vegetable, spinach salad with avocado, 3 eggs, peppers, carrots with hummus, cup of nuts and then a bowl of cottage cheese with various berries and some honey and scoop of all natural peanut butter. I started lifting weights again and drink a all natrual bone broth protein powder after working out but otherwise fast between my one meal. At my last doctors visit my T levels were through the roof and she told me I had higher T than most 10 years younger than me.
Point is, taking artificial T boosters etc isn' the answer, fuel yourself properly. Im 42 years old and the transformation my body has gone through the last 5 months is astounding. Im planning my first 3 day fast pretty soon and lots of research that shows that will increase T levels as well drop you bad cholestoral, etc, thought mine is very low now. I assume food intake is the primary driver in your success. But what about the fasting piece? Did you change diets first, and then fast? Or was it all at once. Trying to quantify the benefits of each. I truly do not think I could make it on one meal a day (for various reasons) . I was a fairly healthy eater for the most part before I went this route but it was basically all at once, the first two or three days were somewhat tough but your body will adjust pretty quick to the point where I just don't get hungry until about the time I eat everyday. Im just way more strict on what I eat then I was. The thing that is great about eating once a day is if you do have a cheat meal you fast for 24 hours and it easier to get over it. You fast and get it out of your system without it affecting you all that much.
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Re: Low "T"?
[Re: SnakeWrangler]
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04/22/24 11:17 PM
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Interesting thread. Until recently I had no idea average testosterone levels have recently dropped by 40% in young American men. Changes in diet and culture are reprogramming their genes was the explanation given to me by a doctor I was turkey hunting with a couple weeks ago in South Georgia. Those talking like prostate cancer is no big deal don’t know what the hell they are talking about. Prostate cancer feeds on testosterone. As a man prostate cancer is not something you want any part of. At age 63, I’ve been told my natural testosterone level puts me at a higher risk for prostate cancer by a doctor. It is kind of a damned if you do and damned if you don’t conundrum.
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Re: Low "T"?
[Re: Smokey Bear]
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04/22/24 11:45 PM
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Interesting thread. Until recently I had no idea average testosterone levels have recently dropped by 40% in young American men. Changes in diet and culture are reprogramming their genes was the explanation given to me by a doctor I was turkey hunting with a couple weeks ago in South Georgia. Those talking like prostate cancer is no big deal don’t know what the hell they are talking about. Prostate cancer feeds on testosterone. As a man prostate cancer is not something you want any part of. At age 63, I’ve been told my natural testosterone level puts me at a higher risk for prostate cancer by a doctor. It is kind of a damned if you do and damned if you don’t conundrum. been one big study(oxford) that showed a collation that higher genetically predicted levels of free testosterone were associated with a greater risk of overall, aggressive and early-onset prostate cancer. .” With that said so did IGF-1. As with any thing, early detection is the key. Im fan of TRT .
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Re: Low "T"?
[Re: SnakeWrangler]
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04/23/24 02:02 AM
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Coach,
What is your end game goal? Was it weight loss, overall health, etc?
I know a few guys who just eat 1 meal per day along with some light grazing here and there. I don’t know if I could go on one meal a day either. Mentally i get fatigued.
Drop in this generations test levels from my research were mainly due to environmental factors though diet does play a part.
For it is not the quarry that we truly seek, but the adventure.
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Re: Low "T"?
[Re: txtrophy85]
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04/24/24 02:42 AM
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Coach,
What is your end game goal? Was it weight loss, overall health, etc?
I know a few guys who just eat 1 meal per day along with some light grazing here and there. I don’t know if I could go on one meal a day either. Mentally i get fatigued.
Drop in this generations test levels from my research were mainly due to environmental factors though diet does play a part.
I am sure environmental factors play a role, but so does the modern lifestyle and probably the modern school curriculum and rules about fighting. Way too “civilized”.
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Re: Low "T"?
[Re: 10 Gauge]
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04/24/24 03:52 AM
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Coach,
What is your end game goal? Was it weight loss, overall health, etc?
I know a few guys who just eat 1 meal per day along with some light grazing here and there. I don’t know if I could go on one meal a day either. Mentally i get fatigued.
Drop in this generations test levels from my research were mainly due to environmental factors though diet does play a part.
I am sure environmental factors play a role, but so does the modern lifestyle and probably the modern school curriculum and rules about fighting. Way too “civilized”. So your saying modern school curriculum and lack of fighting is the cause of record low Testosterone levels in 20 and 30 something men? I think it’s more from poor diet, seed oils, soy, lack of exercise, antidepressants and too much alcohol/cannabis consumption.
For it is not the quarry that we truly seek, but the adventure.
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Re: Low "T"?
[Re: txtrophy85]
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04/24/24 01:00 PM
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Coach,
What is your end game goal? Was it weight loss, overall health, etc?
I know a few guys who just eat 1 meal per day along with some light grazing here and there. I don’t know if I could go on one meal a day either. Mentally i get fatigued.
Drop in this generations test levels from my research were mainly due to environmental factors though diet does play a part.
I started intermittent fasting about 15 months ago. I don't eat "one meal" a day but only eat between 1700 and 2000 unless I'm working nights then it's 2200-0100. I went from 216 to 172 in the first 5 months and have maintained my weight. I did it for overall health and I feel a lot better. It was hard for about a week now it's second nature. I eat high protien and stay away from sugar most days. Still eat rice, grain, fruit etc bit not much refined sugar. I've never had my testosterone checked.
Just to make sure that it is done thoroughly, I go both ways.
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Re: Low "T"?
[Re: TexFlip]
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04/30/24 06:14 PM
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Coach,
What is your end game goal? Was it weight loss, overall health, etc?
I know a few guys who just eat 1 meal per day along with some light grazing here and there. I don’t know if I could go on one meal a day either. Mentally i get fatigued.
Drop in this generations test levels from my research were mainly due to environmental factors though diet does play a part.
I started intermittent fasting about 15 months ago. I don't eat "one meal" a day but only eat between 1700 and 2000 unless I'm working nights then it's 2200-0100. I went from 216 to 172 in the first 5 months and have maintained my weight. I did it for overall health and I feel a lot better. It was hard for about a week now it's second nature. I eat high protien and stay away from sugar most days. Still eat rice, grain, fruit etc bit not much refined sugar. I've never had my testosterone checked. Yep, I do one big meal a day and then a snack if necessary. Lost 40 pounds in 4 months, from roughly 195 to just under 155. I didn't like how I looked there so went back up to 160-165 and have maintained for the last 6 months. Never want to go back. I eat 98% protein with some vegetables thrown in sometimes. I occasionally have cheat days but still have no desire to have potato chips or things like that. Every once in a while I will have some rice or a handful of gummy bears.
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Re: Low "T"?
[Re: txtrophy85]
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05/09/24 03:55 PM
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Coach,
What is your end game goal? Was it weight loss, overall health, etc?
I know a few guys who just eat 1 meal per day along with some light grazing here and there. I don’t know if I could go on one meal a day either. Mentally i get fatigued.
Drop in this generations test levels from my research were mainly due to environmental factors though diet does play a part.
I am sure environmental factors play a role, but so does the modern lifestyle and probably the modern school curriculum and rules about fighting. Way too “civilized”. So your saying modern school curriculum and lack of fighting is the cause of record low Testosterone levels in 20 and 30 something men? I think it’s more from poor diet, seed oils, soy, lack of exercise, antidepressants and too much alcohol/cannabis consumption. A lot of men don’t act like men anymore. Younger generations frequently view men who talk and act manly as uncivilized today. Many are spun out when they find themselves in a confrontational situation with other men. Evidence of that is the number of young men that feel compelled to be armed in most social settings today. Apparently there is some conjecture that genes are being reprogrammed by the new social norms. That is just repeating what a hunting buddy who is a doctor told us one evening while we were sitting around drinking a few beers and grilling.
Smokey Bear---Lone Star State.
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Re: Low "T"?
[Re: SnakeWrangler]
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10/03/24 04:36 PM
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Who goes to the Low T center ? How often do you inject ? I’m about to start
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Re: Low "T"?
[Re: Biscuit]
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10/03/24 06:32 PM
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Who goes to the Low T center ? How often do you inject ? I’m about to start My buddy goes every week. Too inconvenient for me so I use the daily gel packs.
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Re: Low "T"?
[Re: Jimbo1]
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10/03/24 06:52 PM
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Who goes to the Low T center ? How often do you inject ? I’m about to start My buddy goes every week. Too inconvenient for me so I use the daily gel packs. I agree that’s way too inconvenient and I’d never be able to make it every week
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Re: Low "T"?
[Re: Biscuit]
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10/04/24 02:23 PM
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Who goes to the Low T center ? How often do you inject ? I’m about to start My buddy goes every week. Too inconvenient for me so I use the daily gel packs. I agree that’s way too inconvenient and I’d never be able to make it every week After having been a patient at my local Low T Center and another mens clinic in town, I can say these places are the worst places to go for this type of treatment. They have no idea what they are doing and use a "one size fits all" approach with their treatment which is ridiculous. An example would be putting everyone on an estrogen blocker. Not everyone needs an estrogen blocker. You dont know if you need it until you've seen how your body responds to the TRT. My insurance wasn't accepted at Low T and I paid $280 a month out of pocket because i didnt know any better.. Finally switched to the other clinic and they took my insurance for a while but they ended up being an insurance scam operation. They tried to bill my insurance nearly $7k for a set of labs, which is insane. They were billing $3-400 per office visit. After dealing with enough BS, I went to a urologist. Now I pay $89 for a 10 week supply. This includes the testosterone cypionate, alcohol pads, and syringes/needles. My labs cost about $34 after insurance. And being treated by an actual MD is so much better.
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Re: Low "T"?
[Re: SnakeWrangler]
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10/04/24 05:40 PM
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I’m setting up to see a urologist and go from there
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Re: Low "T"?
[Re: SnakeWrangler]
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10/04/24 05:46 PM
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My primary DR manages my testosterone treatment with tests and rx’s.
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Re: Low "T"?
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11/02/24 12:31 AM
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Just had a full panel of blood work done the the T came back at 249. Will be 50 in a couple months and have lots of the symptoms. Doc is ordering another T test to validate.
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Re: Low "T"?
[Re: SnakeWrangler]
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11/21/24 09:47 PM
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My 2nd test came back lower, so my PCM started me on a regimen of weekly injections that I do at home myself. I took my 2nd dose yesterday. Not sure how long it takes to begin getting desired results, but I at least "think" I'm starting to feel better. Stamina seems to be up a little. And y'all weren't kidding about the mornings either... 
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Re: Low "T"?
[Re: kry226]
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11/22/24 12:58 AM
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My 2nd test came back lower, so my PCM started me on a regimen of weekly injections that I do at home myself. I took my 2nd dose yesterday. Not sure how long it takes to begin getting desired results, but I at least "think" I'm starting to feel better. Stamina seems to be up a little. And y'all weren't kidding about the mornings either... Enlighten me on the mornings… I think I missed it
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Re: Low "T"?
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11/22/24 01:34 AM
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My 2nd test came back lower, so my PCM started me on a regimen of weekly injections that I do at home myself. I took my 2nd dose yesterday. Not sure how long it takes to begin getting desired results, but I at least "think" I'm starting to feel better. Stamina seems to be up a little. And y'all weren't kidding about the mornings either... Enlighten me on the mornings… I think I missed it Got wood?
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Re: Low "T"?
[Re: SnakeWrangler]
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11/22/24 02:25 PM
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I was doing injections for 7-8 years. Found a doctor locally that does the pellet implants. Been doing that for nearly two years now and it is much better, in my opinion. It keeps levels more consistent and each implant lasts 4-6 months. The only downside is that it is not covered by insurance. The cost is around $650, but by the time I added up all my co-pays for RX injections, it only costs a little bit more. The convenience of only having to worry about it a couple times a year was worth the added cost to me.
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Re: Low "T"?
[Re: Big_Country01]
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11/22/24 03:37 PM
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I was doing injections for 7-8 years. Found a doctor locally that does the pellet implants. Been doing that for nearly two years now and it is much better, in my opinion. It keeps levels more consistent and each implant lasts 4-6 months. The only downside is that it is not covered by insurance. The cost is around $650, but by the time I added up all my co-pays for RX injections, it only costs a little bit more. The convenience of only having to worry about it a couple times a year was worth the added cost to me. I started with home injections but I didn’t care for them and could feel the ups and downs. Went with the daily gel packs and have been consistent ever since. Have lost some weight recently and if I can keep that up I hope to be off it completely someday…along with my CPAP and sleep meds.
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Re: Low "T"?
[Re: Jimbo1]
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11/22/24 04:27 PM
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My primary DR manages my testosterone treatment with tests and rx’s. Same here. I do my own injections no big deal. Have to go every 2 months to give blood though because it makes me produce too many red cells. But it's no worries giving blood.
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Re: Low "T"?
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11/22/24 04:33 PM
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My primary DR manages my testosterone treatment with tests and rx’s. Same here. I do my own injections no big deal. Have to go every 2 months to give blood though because it makes me produce too many red cells. But it's no worries giving blood. Thanks for the reminder. I need to give blood for the same reason.
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Re: Low "T"?
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11/25/24 09:08 AM
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Those injections don't interfere with the quality of the blood?
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Re: Low "T"?
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11/25/24 11:28 AM
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Those injections don't interfere with the quality of the blood? Not sure I understand your question, Doc.
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