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Re: New Springfield 1911 double stack
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09/05/22 01:21 PM
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Re: New Springfield 1911 double stack
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09/05/22 02:58 PM
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Picked up mine yesterday, 4.25 barrel. Feed back pending...
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Re: New Springfield 1911 double stack
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09/05/22 07:25 PM
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Handled one today. Will be interested to see some reviews over the next month or two before I grab one.
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Re: New Springfield 1911 double stack
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09/05/22 11:26 PM
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I am still looking for the perfect apron, one with reinforced knee areas would be perfect.
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Re: New Springfield 1911 double stack
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09/06/22 12:42 AM
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Re: New Springfield 1911 double stack
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09/06/22 01:05 AM
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one upper lol...sell it to ya after 2 weeks?
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Re: New Springfield 1911 double stack
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09/06/22 01:54 AM
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Well??? How does it feel? Got any other 2011’s to compare it to?
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Re: New Springfield 1911 double stack
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09/06/22 03:31 AM
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Well??? How does it feel? Got any other 2011’s to compare it to? No, this is my first 2011 style.
I am still looking for the perfect apron, one with reinforced knee areas would be perfect.
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Re: New Springfield 1911 double stack
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09/09/22 02:50 AM
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I held one today
All I have to compare it to is a staccato p. It’s seemed cheaper and the grip was big and I have decent hands. I would probably take my $1600 elsewhere
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Re: New Springfield 1911 double stack
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09/09/22 12:38 PM
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The Staccato P is also a $1K more so I would expect it to have more custom refinement fit and finish. I plan on doing a side by side comparison in the near future.
I am still looking for the perfect apron, one with reinforced knee areas would be perfect.
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Re: New Springfield 1911 double stack
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09/10/22 03:28 AM
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I fired over 200 rounds through the 5" model today. My dad picked it up the day it was released, and put approximately 50 rounds through it earlier this week. He loved the way it shot, but had multiple failures to feed (rounds not going fully into battery). We load our own ammunition, and he thought we may need to beef up the loads to get it to run. I had researched reviews, and it seems this can be an issue until you get several hundred rounds downrange, even with factory ammo. My handloads are pushing a 124 gr at 1060 fps from a Glock 17, which should put velocity at roughly 1100 fps through the 5" barrel. Should be plenty, hence the range trip. I cleaned and oiled prior to shooting.
I was shooting steel plate racks, roughly 6" in diameter, at 15 yds. 6 Plates to a rack, 2 racks. I had one failure to feed (had to bump the slide into battery), early in the range session. I have never shot a pistol as quickly, smoothly, and as accurately as this one. Muzzle rise was almost non-existent for me. The dot stayed on target, and I was able to produce follow up hits on the next plate in rapid succession. I was running the racks as quickly as I could transition and pull the trigger. I also shot my 147 gr loads through the gun, 917 fps through my Glock 17. I thought if the gun would falter, it would be with these. No issues off hand on the steel. I moved to the dueling tree, and it felt like I was cheating.
The bad: I had my wife and a buddy with me. Neither a slouch with a pistol. Neither could get more than a couple of rounds off before a failure to go into battery. My buddy had spent the day shooting a couple of .45 1911's, and he was determined to get this to work for him. His grip was strong, shooting stance strong, he was not limp-wristing, but we knew it had to be something related to technique. He worked on it, and eventually figured out he was not locking his elbows out enough. Once he figured it out, the pistol ran flawless.
The pistol feels "under sprung", which may be why it shot so smooth, and also could account for the failures. I'm not sure if increasing spring weight would enhance reliability, but it's a thought. I had multiple failures to go into battery while shooting the 147's off the bench for groups. This was with my elbows rested on the bench, and no bag supporting the pistol. Once again, this pistol needed a rigid wall to counteract recoil and reciprocate the slide. Time will tell if more rounds downrange will improve reliability under all circumstances. All this said, I had more fun with this pistol than I've had in a while. I have not had the pleasure of shooting a Staccato, and don't know if I ever will, but I am sold on the platform. My pistol shooting is typically done with Glocks, 1911's, and revolvers, both single and double action, but I do take every opportunity to shoot everything I come across. Today's lineup was the Prodigy, a Glock 17, 19, (3) 43X, (3) Kimber 1911 .45 ACP's, Sig P320 X5 Legion, S&W Bodyguard .38 spl, Ruger Sp101 .357, and a Ruger Blackhawk Bisley .45 Colt.
Hopefully this early review helps somebody on the fence.
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Re: New Springfield 1911 double stack
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09/10/22 10:57 AM
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Re: New Springfield 1911 double stack
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09/10/22 02:07 PM
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Great review. How stiff was the magazine to load? I’m wondering if this is contributing to the failure to load. I have one pistol that’s a 17+1 that’s a bear in the last 3 rounds. It will FTF with cheap ammo on those rounds.
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Re: New Springfield 1911 double stack
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09/10/22 02:52 PM
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Ive been following threads on the 1911addicts forum bc I really want to see what else SA cranks out after this initial release. Id love to see SA come out with a lower cost version of the Staccato XC. Reviews are hit or miss and not far off from what folks here are experiencing. Try to keep in mind that the 1911addicts guys are a little more into high end 2011s than the normal guy so there’s some bias and there’s alot of complaints about mim parts. Thats to be expected at this price point though. Im sure SA will get the kinks worked out.
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Re: New Springfield 1911 double stack
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09/10/22 05:17 PM
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I fired over 200 rounds through the 5" model today. My dad picked it up the day it was released, and put approximately 50 rounds through it earlier this week. He loved the way it shot, but had multiple failures to feed (rounds not going fully into battery). We load our own ammunition, and he thought we may need to beef up the loads to get it to run. I had researched reviews, and it seems this can be an issue until you get several hundred rounds downrange, even with factory ammo. My handloads are pushing a 124 gr at 1060 fps from a Glock 17, which should put velocity at roughly 1100 fps through the 5" barrel. Should be plenty, hence the range trip. I cleaned and oiled prior to shooting.
I was shooting steel plate racks, roughly 6" in diameter, at 15 yds. 6 Plates to a rack, 2 racks. I had one failure to feed (had to bump the slide into battery), early in the range session. I have never shot a pistol as quickly, smoothly, and as accurately as this one. Muzzle rise was almost non-existent for me. The dot stayed on target, and I was able to produce follow up hits on the next plate in rapid succession. I was running the racks as quickly as I could transition and pull the trigger. I also shot my 147 gr loads through the gun, 917 fps through my Glock 17. I thought if the gun would falter, it would be with these. No issues off hand on the steel. I moved to the dueling tree, and it felt like I was cheating.
The bad: I had my wife and a buddy with me. Neither a slouch with a pistol. Neither could get more than a couple of rounds off before a failure to go into battery. My buddy had spent the day shooting a couple of .45 1911's, and he was determined to get this to work for him. His grip was strong, shooting stance strong, he was not limp-wristing, but we knew it had to be something related to technique. He worked on it, and eventually figured out he was not locking his elbows out enough. Once he figured it out, the pistol ran flawless.
The pistol feels "under sprung", which may be why it shot so smooth, and also could account for the failures. I'm not sure if increasing spring weight would enhance reliability, but it's a thought. I had multiple failures to go into battery while shooting the 147's off the bench for groups. This was with my elbows rested on the bench, and no bag supporting the pistol. Once again, this pistol needed a rigid wall to counteract recoil and reciprocate the slide. Time will tell if more rounds downrange will improve reliability under all circumstances. All this said, I had more fun with this pistol than I've had in a while. I have not had the pleasure of shooting a Staccato, and don't know if I ever will, but I am sold on the platform. My pistol shooting is typically done with Glocks, 1911's, and revolvers, both single and double action, but I do take every opportunity to shoot everything I come across. Today's lineup was the Prodigy, a Glock 17, 19, (3) 43X, (3) Kimber 1911 .45 ACP's, Sig P320 X5 Legion, S&W Bodyguard .38 spl, Ruger Sp101 .357, and a Ruger Blackhawk Bisley .45 Colt.
Hopefully this early review helps somebody on the fence. Good review. I'll pay attention to some of things you noted when I shoot mine (4.25" barrel version")
I am still looking for the perfect apron, one with reinforced knee areas would be perfect.
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Re: New Springfield 1911 double stack
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09/11/22 01:14 AM
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They are an FFL in Frisco off Stonebrook Parkway. Small shop but good staff.
I am still looking for the perfect apron, one with reinforced knee areas would be perfect.
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Re: New Springfield 1911 double stack
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09/11/22 01:54 AM
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You're welcome! Great review. How stiff was the magazine to load? I’m wondering if this is contributing to the failure to load. I have one pistol that’s a 17+1 that’s a bear in the last 3 rounds. It will FTF with cheap ammo on those rounds. Thanks. The magazines are manageable. I ran both the supplied 17 and 20 rounder equally. They were both equal opportunity offenders if the shooter didn't do their part. The round's numerical position in the magazine made no difference.
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Re: New Springfield 1911 double stack
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09/11/22 11:27 AM
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Over 10 years ago we were shooting a rifle/pistol match. Matt brought a brand new Colt 1911 in .45 ACP we had some FTF, FTE issues through the day. His team mate, Eddie told him to reach down and throw some of the Nocona, TX sand into the slide and make it keep running. Intrigued, I asked Eddie if he was serious. Eddie said "brand new 1911, they are too tight. You have to work them like a rented mule for a while, and get them broke in before they will run."
At home, multiple times I would take down my Springfield Operator, wipe it free of any oil, and manually run the slide while watching TV. That and lots of rounds fired, it sure does feel smoother than it did new.
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Re: New Springfield 1911 double stack
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09/11/22 03:26 PM
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Over 10 years ago we were shooting a rifle/pistol match. Matt brought a brand new Colt 1911 in .45 ACP we had some FTF, FTE issues through the day. His team mate, Eddie told him to reach down and throw some of the Nocona, TX sand into the slide and make it keep running. Intrigued, I asked Eddie if he was serious. Eddie said "brand new 1911, they are too tight. You have to work them like a rented mule for a while, and get them broke in before they will run."
At home, multiple times I would take down my Springfield Operator, wipe it free of any oil, and manually run the slide while watching TV. That and lots of rounds fired, it sure does feel smoother than it did new. I cant imagine intentionally running sand in a $1k-$2k gun. Id rather the mfg just get it right out of the box.
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Re: New Springfield 1911 double stack
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09/11/22 03:37 PM
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Tooth paste or baking soda will lap it in real well
i am cancelling my subscription, i am tired of your issues!
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Re: New Springfield 1911 double stack
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09/11/22 03:43 PM
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Over 10 years ago we were shooting a rifle/pistol match. Matt brought a brand new Colt 1911 in .45 ACP we had some FTF, FTE issues through the day. His team mate, Eddie told him to reach down and throw some of the Nocona, TX sand into the slide and make it keep running. Intrigued, I asked Eddie if he was serious. Eddie said "brand new 1911, they are too tight. You have to work them like a rented mule for a while, and get them broke in before they will run."
At home, multiple times I would take down my Springfield Operator, wipe it free of any oil, and manually run the slide while watching TV. That and lots of rounds fired, it sure does feel smoother than it did new. I cant imagine intentionally running sand in a $1k-$2k gun. Id rather the mfg just get it right out of the box. It is pretty harsh, and the guy that said it quite the character. But working the slide dry did help mine. If I get one of these new Springfields I'll probably just shoot the pee out of it first, then get it clean and free of oil, and work the slide while watching TV at night.
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Re: New Springfield 1911 double stack
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09/11/22 03:46 PM
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Tooth paste or baking soda will lap it in real well I had forgotten about old school tooth paste as a lapping compound.
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Re: New Springfield 1911 double stack
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09/11/22 07:21 PM
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I think the easy answer is a slightly heavier recoil spring and a slightly lighter mainspring and maybe bevel the firing pin stop if it's not already. I try that before I threw sand in my gun
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Re: New Springfield 1911 double stack
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09/11/22 07:37 PM
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I think the easy answer is a slightly heavier recoil spring and a slightly lighter mainspring. I try that before I threw sand in my gun Or even easier…..send it back to SA to do all the work and make it right. Why would yall waste your time and $ fixing a brand new $1500 gun? Nobody would buy an expensive truck, take it home, and try to fix the issues. Would go straight back to the dealer.
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