talked to Gunsmith friend, he said put a cork in the end of barrel & pour some solvent and let set for 24hr & it should come out. I would reinstall choke with a coating of light grease on threads.

Thanks Steve, cork idea is great, soaking now. The cork will also help pull it out.

I did try soaking yesterday with a plastic bag instead of a cork, that made a mess..

I was shooting 5 stand at elm fork yesterday, and met a ex- army combat medic named Andy that collects old school shotguns.

He brough 2 with him that he had just picked up and had brought to show Larry an instructor at Elm Fork that throws 5 stand for us

I had never seen either shotgun before :

DARNE SLIDING BREECH DOUBLE GUNS It was a Damascus Barrel & will be a wall hanger





Régis Darne established his gun-making business in Saint Etienne in East Central France in 1881. Saint Etienne had become an arms making center as far back as the 16th Century and had even been briefly renamed Armeville (Arms Town) during the French Revolution. So it was a natural place for Régis Darne to establish a gun-making business. Saint Etienne in the 16th Century had initially been centered around edged weapons such as swords and spears but soon moved into making muskets becoming a national center for gun-making in much the same way as London and Birmingham became centers of the British gun trade.

What set Régis Darne guns apart from other makers not only from Saint Etienne but also everywhere else in the world was his system of having fixed barrels and a sliding breech block to open and close the gun. The benefit of this cannot be fully appreciated just by looking at pictures or video of a Darne gun in action. To fully understand the beauty of this design it is necessary to actually pick up one of these guns, shoulder it a few times, and then try shooting it. The balance and feel of a Darne is different by comparison to a typical break action gun. The weight of the gun is very much “between the hands” and the effect is one of a gun with lightness and liveliness, a gun that is arguably at its best when mounted and fired from “low gun” or field position. It is a style of gun that has particular appeal to shooters looking for a gun with light and lively handling.



The Spencer Pump: America’s First Pump-Action Shotgun
Christopher Spencer, not John Browning, invented the first pump shotgun

Most shotgun enthusiasts think John Moses Browning’s Winchester 1893 was the first pump shotgun. But it was Christopher Miner Spencer, an engineer that also built the Union Army a seven-shot repeating rifle that helped win the Civil War, who built the first pump. Spencer was granted a patent in 1882 for his repeater, which he manufactured in Windsor, Connecticut. It’s an interesting gun that one prominent museum curator called a “Rube Goldberg invention.” (Rube Goldberg was a cartoonist best known for his drawings of convoluted and complicated machines that performed simple tasks.)

The Spencer pump-action shotgun operates using a toggle breech that pivots up and down when the action is cycled. The extractor is spring mounted in front of the action on the right-side action bar and as the bar moves rearward it grasps the head of the fired shell and pulls it out onto the dished-out top of the toggling bolt. At the same time, a fresh shell is released from the magazine into a cutout in the bottom of the toggle. The last bit of rearward pumping action causes the breech to quickly flip up tossing the fired shell up and away from the top of the breech. The extractor then grasps the head of a fresh round and pushes it into the chamber with the forward stroke of the pump handle. It’s not exactly a simple process.

The Spencer looks like a modern pump shotgun with its tubular magazine beneath the barrel. To load the Spencer, the fore-end must be pulled back clearing the magazine for loading. Measuring about 15½ inches long, the magazine could hold seven or eight 2 9/16-inch shotshells, the common length of 12-gauge shells in 1882. To complete the loading process, the fore-end is then cycled to send a cartridge from the magazine into the chamber.

A unique feature of the Spencer is its second trigger. Mounted in front of the firing trigger, in case of a misfire, which was a common occurrence with early paper-cased shells and handloads, you pushed the second trigger forward, which cocked the hammer for another go at the reluctant shell.


By 1885, Spencer was in serious debt and sold the patent rights to Francis Bannerman, who continued to make the Spencer pump until 1907. Bannerman put his name on the side of the action, and all was well until 1893. That’s when Winchester launched its Model 1893 pump designed by John Browning. Slick and smooth, it was a far more shooter-friendly repeater than the Bannerman-Spencer toggle-action shotgun. Enraged, Bannerman sued everyone associated with Winchester. Winchester conducted a worldwide survey of patents issued prior to 1882 and found that in Britain there were three pump-gun patents granted, plus another in France. From the patent drawings, the Winchester Model Shop made a working model of the Krutzsch (the gun is in the Winchester Collection at the Cody Firearms Museum in Wyoming). The design was close enough to the 1893 for the judge to toss out Bannerman’s lawsuit.

anyone up for shooting today 8/31 at elm fork around noon?

off to elm fork 9/2 approx 3pm

shooting clays tonight for the first time in 3 months or so ran a 87/100 then shot 5 stand and could only post 20.

Did meet a shooter named Jason C. he is an FB111 WSO - said he couldn't believe they actually paid him to have so much fun. Very cool dude and great shooter .
He had a Browning 725 he was breaking in - he did a pretty dang good job of it.



Fear the Vark, that's a lot of hurt getting ready to fall on some deserving lowlife!!!

Oh Yeah i forgot about what happened on the Medows super sporting clays course today 9/2. We were shooting the woods course and some of the course Workers started bringing over groups of people in golf carts to shoot the woods course. then 2 Dallas Police cars come rolling in headed to clubhouse. As we caught up to the new shooter from the Medows, i asked what the problem was?

It seems there was what was describe as a homeless person walking the course acting weird (course workers thought he was whacked out on drugs). Then he locked himself in a porta Potty & would not come out. I offered to go knock down the Porta Potty with a golf cart figuring he would come out after that.

But alas they declined thinking he might be armed and would not be a happy camper all dipped in chit. Instead opted to let Dallas Finest take care of the problem.

Officers talked him out of the potty - figured he had serious mental issues and escorted him off the property and set him loose.

I’m going to shoot some clays this Thursday (9/8) at noon most likely.

Sounds like fun - you bring your new O/U?

Blaser

You coming Thursday? I like how you don't respond to my text either haha

I'm still on for tomorrow. I'll be at the 5 stand around noon for anyone that wants to come. I believe hetman's coming as well

yep, i be there Bringing a friend of one of my wife's co-workers. that i am babysitting from out of town. He is a nice guy, but I think 5 stand is going to be a whole new thing for him.

I got a buddy coming too

Well four of us showed up today: Hetman (Steve) & Friend (Brian) -TLEW(Tyler) & Friend (Kyle). And I am sure there was a Ghost floating around saying Buzz, Buzz, Buzz turned out to be a bee.

Tylers friend Kyle was the real deal wing shooter and picked up on 5stand with no problem. My Friend Brian was NOT the real deal and didn't pick up on 5stand worth a chit, but he was a good sport & tried.

TLEW(Tyler) showed up with his new Blazer O/U & ran it thru the course

Hetman (Steve) I just showed up with Beretta 300 Ultima & ran that thru the course

I can't speak for everyone, i started off fairly hot and then NOT so hot - It seemed to be a common occurrence for whatever reason- Frustrating

But again, it was FUN Time had by all!

it was a beautiful day at the range - perfect temp - nice breeze. And being 9/11 i went and looked up an old friend that served during the ragland conflicts.

hetman (Steve) & friend Tom (aka Capt hook) USAF Vet -A10 Warthog Gunslinger pilot during the Iraq war - Tank Whacker extraordinaire!!!

Steve - shooting 12ga beretta 300 ultima Tom- shooting a 12ga 1955 Belgium browning w/ different barrel he ordered / up graded to the auto load system- Mod choke

That Browning is immaculate he always gets compliments on it & shoots it very well. Every screw in that gun is serialized to that specific browning. I don't like the weird recoil it has with the moving barrel.

We only had time for 1 round of sporting clays - just to put a little money on the table (very little) 10 cents a skeet in score difference. I shot an 86/100 Tom shot 84/100 so i won 20 cents woohoo

I dropped 2 stands with only 5 /8 really hurt score & not because i couldn't shoot them. Just not holding focus & engaging my brain which is always a bad thing.

Still a great day that i got to spend with my friend.

at least you're out shooting

Anybody up for sporting clays Tomorrow 9/14 @ Elm Fork - opens at 12AM - Call, Text or PM. Hetman(aka Steve)

Met another member today (nesikabay) at elm fork and shot several rounds of 5 stand with him & he is the real deal shooter- for not ever shooting 5stand his first round - dead cold - with a quick explanation of what was going to happen he shot a 20 /25. nesikabay is a excellent shooter and i Imagin with a few more rounds he will be shooting 25/25.

And on the other hand, i was not a excellent shooter - inconsistent kind of applies for me today. I could hit any target - just not when it mattered the most. i was smoking the long targets / crossing targets etc . but had 2 easy targets going away & from overhead that was eating my lunch. I do need to figure those out before league next wed.

had a great time shooting with nesikabay & look forward to doing so in the future. Anyone that drives 2hr from Nocona, Texas to shoot some 5stand just for practice and get better will go a long way in our absurd shooting/ hunting way of life. He must be a little crazy as he told me, Him & Buzz use to travel the highways going from place to place just to shoot.

hetman(aka Steve)

Had fun today. AND I WILL BE BACK. Learned a new shooting game. Me and Buzz use to shoot FT Walters and i think he shot with us in Bastrop. Any way i had fun nowhere to go but up from here

Have to shoot under the high overhead from behind. Similar to Skeet 1 high house.

Nesika bay is a very good shooter with no matter what he has in his hands. He knows all the games, but his specialty is long range rifle shooting centerfire/rimfire, it doesn't matter.

Well, I'm that guy bringing up old info on an older thread...

Buzz, did you get a Blaser O/U?

I 'celebrated' a little to hard over Thanksgiving, and sold my 725 to a buddy who has been wanting to buy it from the since the day I picked it up..

I've got to replace it soon as I already have some leagues and tournaments planned. Looking at CG and Blaser.