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Re: Shut up and get a lawyer! [Re: TurkeyHunter] #8642924 07/17/22 10:36 PM
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Originally Posted by TurkeyHunter
If you could be potentially a suspect in a crime, don’t talk to the police until you speak with your good attorney, then follow their advice.

And of course be cooperative and provide ID.

“I don’t want to make any statements until I consult with my attorney” whether you are under arrest or not.

Is there anything wrong with that? Just curious.



Not at all.

Re: Shut up and get a lawyer! [Re: ntxtrapper] #8642932 07/17/22 10:39 PM
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Originally Posted by ntxtrapper

I've seen me send a lot of criminals to prison, based largely on a voluntary statement that I acquired, without Miranda being provided. As long as they left without being arrested or weren't brought to my office without being asked to voluntarily go there, there was never an issue. Every one was successfully entered into evidence in either State District Court or Federal Court.



Originally Posted by ntxtrapper

Worst advice ever. I put a bunch of people in jail and filed cases on them, because they refused to speak with me and wouldn't provide me with a reasonable explanation for what took place. If they had just talked with me, they would have saved themselves several thousand dollars and everything that goes along with being arrested.


Quite the contrary statements, Lol.

If you are unsure you may say the wrong thing, don't answer questions.

Re: Shut up and get a lawyer! [Re: DocHorton] #8642948 07/17/22 10:53 PM
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Originally Posted by ntxtrapper

I've seen me send a lot of criminals to prison, based largely on a voluntary statement that I acquired, without Miranda being provided. As long as they left without being arrested or weren't brought to my office without being asked to voluntarily go there, there was never an issue. Every one was successfully entered into evidence in either State District Court or Federal Court.



Originally Posted by ntxtrapper

Worst advice ever. I put a bunch of people in jail and filed cases on them, because they refused to speak with me and wouldn't provide me with a reasonable explanation for what took place. If they had just talked with me, they would have saved themselves several thousand dollars and everything that goes along with being arrested.


Quite the contrary statements, Lol.

If you are unsure you may say the wrong thing, don't answer questions.



Not really. It’s two different places. Voluntary statement of admission got someone convicted and sent to prison.
Refusing to speak with him, although their right, (with other factors and evidence) got cases filed and them arrested and put in jail. Maybe later they weren’t ultimately convicted. Maybe they were.

My wife is a detective. A good example is this case she recently worked. I don’t know the details but basically a female came in and made a report of physical assault against her bf or ex bf. She was bruised up, etc. Signs of injury without question. My wife tried for a few weeks to set up an interview with the guy. He refused to cooperate. Totally his right. But what is she supposed to do? Just drop the case? For all she knows, the guy was out of the country during the assault and had a perfectly good alibi. But he refused to cooperate. So the case is filed, a warrant is issued, he goes to jail, and now has the headache that all that comes with. He may or may not be convicted later. That’s how the Justice system works.
Remember the burden of proof is not on the police, just probable cause.

All ntx is saying is that had this guy simply said yeah that couldn’t have been me, I was in Mexico (or whatever) that could save a big hassle.

Re: Shut up and get a lawyer! [Re: Sniper.270] #8642949 07/17/22 10:54 PM
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I don't think the LEOs on here are the exception at all. The vast majority of my encounters have made me think the officers are stand up guys. Folks just get bent out of shape when good cops doing the right thing results in a good ol boy getting a DUI or going to jail.



Am I hearing you correct. All this we see in our country with the war on LE is the result of “good old boys getting arrested for a DUI? That has led to LE being ambushed. Set up and killed on a daily basis. That LE are “stand up guys” who have to arrest some good old boys. Which leads to what we see on the news daily across the country?


No, I think most people on this forum who dislike police do it for that reason, not the general public.

I think the general backlash against police is because criminals got angry that police shoot criminals. Throw in the occasional mistaken bad shoot and a very rare vindictive POS who wants to show a suspect how tough he is, and there are a lot of things to point out as being wrong. People are angry with cops, which puts cops on edge that they will be attacked. For someone who carries a gun, that feeling can have bad results real quick. Police are in the position of making split second decisions about who gets to live or die. Make the wrong call and their life is over, one way or the other. They deserve our respect and gratitude.

Re: Shut up and get a lawyer! [Re: BigRon] #8643083 07/18/22 01:29 AM
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If you don't know your rights, by now.....
Your too stupid to exercise'em anyway....
If you do, for some reason get arrested...
Never, ever, ever, ever talk to a cop.
Not even general conversation.. NOT ONE WORD !!!!!
STFU.... is the most important thing you can do...


This is usually sound advice. The argument seems to be over apples and oranges. Sailor said, "If you do, for some reason get arrested..." before he said never talk to a cop.

ntxtrapper's advice seems to be that an explanation sometimes avoids an arrest. This is probably sound advice in a lot of cases as well.

If you are already under arrest, shut up and let your attorney do the talking. It is, after all, too late to avoid an arrest once you are placed under arrest. And keep in mind that if you choose to talk to a LEO, you are not on a level playing field. If you lie to him, it's a crime. If he lies to you, he's just doing his job trying to trip up a suspect.



Well, I'll be danged.... Somebody, finally gets it. !!!

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