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Federal 150gr Fusion vs Hornady 135gr FTX #8636367 07/07/22 08:45 PM
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Which would be better for hogs with a 16" 300 Blackout? Thanks!

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Both are asking a lot from 300 BO but certainly the lighter bullet would give you the best chance at downing a hog.


The 135 grain isn’t going much faster than 2000 fps and the 150 grain is clocking 1875 fps

The terminal energy at 100 yards for either would be about : 950 ft/lbs which is just a smidge more than a typical ethical lower limit of killing force

With 300 BO your possibly better served by a 125 grain or less bullet choice - it simply boils down to a limited powder supply in the caliber.

If you were thinking suppressed instead of supersonic with these bullets it’s the same story only worse in terms of effectiveness on hogs.


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Thank you for pointing me in the right direction.

Re: Federal 150gr Fusion vs Hornady 135gr FTX [Re: HAM'R TIME] #8636651 07/08/22 02:41 AM
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110vmax are readily available and are really pretty decent pills for the BLK in super sonic use.

Both your listed options are basically going to parallel target fmj loads if you aren't shooting 50yds and in

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The group I hunt hogs with has taken over 100 hogs with the Hornady 135gr FTX load. 90% of those have been taken with 10.5" barreled pistols. If you are hunting within 100 yards with your 16" barrel you should have no problem taking up to 200 lb hogs with a good shot.

I have only taken a single hog with the 150gr Speer Blackout bullet. I think it's the same thing as the Fusion bullet. One front to back shot shot and the hog went down. It was doing about 1,850 feet out of a 10.5" barrel which is 50-100 fps faster than the Federal Fusion load.

Another issue is I could not get the 150gr Blackout bullet to shoot under 3 moa with the 16" barrel. But the 135gr FTX has been a tack driver for us all. A friend of mind has switched over to the 110gr Barnes tipped bullet (not sure of the exact bullet) and after 8+ hogs is very happy with it in his 10.5" barrel.

We have used the 125gr SST in our Blackouts. They work but the pigs are going to run more than with the FTX.


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Originally Posted by Big Sam
The group I hunt hogs with has taken over 100 hogs with the Hornady 135gr FTX load. 90% of those have been taken with 10.5" barreled pistols. If you are hunting within 100 yards with your 16" barrel you should have no problem taking up to 200 lb hogs with a good shot.

I have only taken a single hog with the 150gr Speer Blackout bullet. I think it's the same thing as the Fusion bullet. One front to back shot shot and the hog went down. It was doing about 1,850 feet out of a 10.5" barrel which is 50-100 fps faster than the Federal Fusion load.

Another issue is I could not get the 150gr Blackout bullet to shoot under 3 moa with the 16" barrel. But the 135gr FTX has been a tack driver for us all. A friend of mind has switched over to the 110gr Barnes tipped bullet (not sure of the exact bullet) and after 8+ hogs is very happy with it in his 10.5" barrel.

We have used the 125gr SST in our Blackouts. They work but the pigs are going to run more than with the FTX.


Great, thank you for the help!

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Originally Posted by Big Sam
The group I hunt hogs with has taken over 100 hogs with the Hornady 135gr FTX load. 90% of those have been taken with 10.5" barreled pistols. If you are hunting within 100 yards with your 16" barrel you should have no problem taking up to 200 lb hogs with a good shot.

I have only taken a single hog with the 150gr Speer Blackout bullet. I think it's the same thing as the Fusion bullet. One front to back shot shot and the hog went down. It was doing about 1,850 feet out of a 10.5" barrel which is 50-100 fps faster than the Federal Fusion load.

Another issue is I could not get the 150gr Blackout bullet to shoot under 3 moa with the 16" barrel. But the 135gr FTX has been a tack driver for us all. A friend of mind has switched over to the 110gr Barnes tipped bullet (not sure of the exact bullet) and after 8+ hogs is very happy with it in his 10.5" barrel.

We have used the 125gr SST in our Blackouts. They work but the pigs are going to run more than with the FTX.


Great, thank you for the help!

I've seen video's that look like the V-Max's are tearing the hogs apart. I was worried about penetration. Thanks!

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This is the internet, but I've got no doubt someone has killed some hogs with both of those.

Ive also seen 100 hogs killed with both .22 and fmj & I've seen just as many or more lost after soaking up both.

I've killed one with a shovel and a rock within the past month.

It isn't about what can kill them. It's about what is the better tool to chose to have at hand.

If you don't already have it in hand why consider a sub standard tool?

I sure as heck wouldn't have chose to use a shovel if I had something else with me.

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Originally Posted by Dzhitshard
This is the internet, but I've got no doubt someone has killed some hogs with both of those.

Ive also seen 100 hogs killed with both .22 and fmj & I've seen just as many or more lost after soaking up both.

I've killed one with a shovel and a rock within the past month.

It isn't about what can kill them. It's about what is the better tool to chose to have at hand.

If you don't already have it in hand why consider a sub standard tool?

I sure as heck wouldn't have chose to use a shovel if I had something else with me.

$0.02





Actually... you bring up an excellent point. A 22 mag bullet on a 50 yard CNS hit will put a hog down as hard and fast as a 300 magnum. It is the less than perfect shots that I think we are judging here. The less often the hog runs after the shot and that less distance he covers the better the round. Some friends shoot 308's with, specifically, 150gr SST bullets and get quick knockdowns with less than perfect shots... most of the time. This is where I find the 135gr FTX superior to the 125gr SST in 300 BLK. Our collective experience with 300 BLK subs has been abysmal. I hunted hogs with 123gr SST's in a 20" 6.5 Grendel. It sure does kill them but tracking is required. 2 months ago I took my first hogs with the 300 Ham'r and it puts them down hard.

The more accurate you are the less difference there is in bullets and cartridges. I agree on staying away from a substandard load/bullet. But our group has found the 135gr FTX to be very very good inside 70 yards (the furthest we can shoot at our location). And yet the 125 gr SST is a good bullet but IMO is distinctly substandard if you want to shoot hogs that don't run. The 16" BLK barrel is nice because the rifle is so easy to shoot well. Minimal blast & recoil and simply easy.

I rebarreled my 16" BLK with an 18" 300 Ham'r barrel and is very impressed with it. Neither the 16" BLK or the 18" Ham'r has any need for a flash hider.


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This is the internet, but I've got no doubt someone has killed some hogs with both of those.

Ive also seen 100 hogs killed with both .22 and fmj & I've seen just as many or more lost after soaking up both.

I've killed one with a shovel and a rock within the past month.

It isn't about what can kill them. It's about what is the better tool to chose to have at hand.

If you don't already have it in hand why consider a sub standard tool?

I sure as heck wouldn't have chose to use a shovel if I had something else with me.

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Actually... you bring up an excellent point. A 22 mag bullet on a 50 yard CNS hit will put a hog down as hard and fast as a 300 magnum. It is the less than perfect shots that I think we are judging here. The less often the hog runs after the shot and that less distance he covers the better the round. Some friends shoot 308's with, specifically, 150gr SST bullets and get quick knockdowns with less than perfect shots... most of the time. This is where I find the 135gr FTX superior to the 125gr SST in 300 BLK. Our collective experience with 300 BLK subs has been abysmal. I hunted hogs with 123gr SST's in a 20" 6.5 Grendel. It sure does kill them but tracking is required. 2 months ago I took my first hogs with the 300 Ham'r and it puts them down hard.

The more accurate you are the less difference there is in bullets and cartridges. I agree on staying away from a substandard load/bullet. But our group has found the 135gr FTX to be very very good inside 70 yards (the furthest we can shoot at our location). And yet the 125 gr SST is a good bullet but IMO is distinctly substandard if you want to shoot hogs that don't run. The 16" BLK barrel is nice because the rifle is so easy to shoot well. Minimal blast & recoil and simply easy.

I rebarreled my 16" BLK with an 18" 300 Ham'r barrel and is very impressed with it. Neither the 16" BLK or the 18" Ham'r has any need for a flash hider.


It's interesting that mention the flash hider. When I first starting shooting again after a 35 year hiatus (I shot mostly a pellet gun and 22lr as a kid) I equipped my .225/5.56 rifles with muzzle brakes. I was confusing the blast concussion with recoil. After I shot a suppressed .223/5.56 I realized there was no significant recoil at all and decided to use flash hiders instead of muzzle brakes. If there is no need for a flash hider from a 16" 300BO or Ham'r I will just use muzzle brakes on those. Thanks!

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