If people and more specifically democrats really cared, they would be demanding safer cars, enhanced background checks for obtaining a driver license and slower speed limits. So far in 2022 there have been 3,642 fatalities in car crashes in Texas.

People who do the Yoga exercise are committing sin?

Presbyterian church close to me used to teach Christian Yoga classes. I thought about it but figured I couldn't "keep my eyes on the ball", if you know what I mean.

Back to the bickering about this sad, tragic situation.

Naw, you and me are both already neck deep in this debate. You called me out for calling BS on waiting over an hour on a key to enter the classroom. I know you remember that. You also stated there was no way to open that door without a key.
Turns out the damned door was not locked. So yeah, that key story was more BS.

Out of curiosity, who else are we waiting on to talk? The police reported to the governor and lied to cover the shame of what happened. State lawmen investigated what actually happened. The findings of that report were made public and confirmed it. No media spin. Straight out of the top DPS officers mouth. Are you insinuating the head of the DPS is lying? Exactly who else are we waiting to hear from before drawing conclusions?


A politician getting their hands on the records does not give me a warm fuzzy feeling about learning the truth. My experience watching what politicians do with something like this is to see them state half truths to twist reality for political gain. I say let the state police sort it out before giving politicians the opportunity to distort it.

And Paddock killed all of those people in Vegas with a bump stock.

For the conscientious viewer. http://texasfishingforum.com/

All of this shows you what happens when you empower the school districts.

Running out of smoke and mirrors. All orchestrated and keep telling different stories just like every other event like this and just like the others we never will get the truth but one thing that’s consistent about every one is they are clear as a bell about going after our guns.

What will satisfy you in terms of “the facts?” Who has to investigate and report in order for you to consider the findings factual? I’m just curious.

You cannot question him. Do you know who he is???

This whole thing is just horribly [censored].

It really is Skinner. I know gunner and to say he is anti LEO is a lie. He is pretty passionate and I respect his view on things. Maybe not the fullest extent but if it was my kids... I get it. I hope I am never in that situation.

Haven’t read all the pages. If it’s true what we read, the officers are just as at fault as the chief dumbazz. They could’ve disobeyed him, tell him to eat a bowl of di!!s and stormed that door. None of them should’ve listened to him. Just go.

It sounds too set up to be real but it happened. The LEOs I know would have never let this go down. Arresting people for trying to go get their child?

The active shooter scene that I was at was an absolute train wreck. Bad and conflicting information coming from all directions and everyone trying to make the correct decisions and response based on that information. After being in an eerily similar situation and knowing what it was like, I won't be making any harsh judgments at this time. The corroborated facts will come out at some point and I'll just have to wait until then to blame anyone specifically.

I’m not sure sure if the people doing yoga is a sin BUT, I’m pretty sure me checking those chicks out wearing yoga pants is a sin.

What will satisfy you in terms of “the facts?” Who has to investigate and report in order for you to consider the findings factual? I’m just curious. [/quote]

When we get a final report on what actually occurred at Uvalde. This changing narrative every couple of days makes me believe even the folks running the investigation really don't know, or the folks handing out information don't know. I'd like to know who was actually making the on-scene decisions, such as who stopped the one officer and removed him the scene if that story is true. There will be plenty of time to judge, condemn, hold accountable......I'd just like to make sure the correct folks are being held accountable. I truly believe the officers I have known and worked with over the years would have done everything possible to save the children at Uvalde. It seems to me that even the different law enforcement agencies involved at Uvalde are pointing fingers at each other. Like I said, I tried to stay out of this, I know what I would have done, Id like to know why that didn't happen at Uvalde. All I am doing is waiting for all the facts, what we know does not sound good, what we don't know might explain some of the decisions, good, bad, or whatever. I will try to make this my last comment on the situation since my opinion seems to offend some folks here on the forum.

The chief has been placed on leave. He was denied a request for a leave of absence.

Everybody's expectations of small town police departments and certainly the LEO of the school districts may be a tad over placed. Regrettable mistakes were made in this event where good minded people had to respond to evil lunacy. Some fan more flames than others, but the outcome was not acceptable to anyone once poster child of evil got in there.

Barney Fife or not, I expect police to run towards the danger when young kids are being hurt. I don't think that's unreasonable.

Sherpa I agree. I fully accept that there are people out there who don’t have it in them to run towards danger. Those people should not be a first responder of any kind. Period.

Hud, the size of the town a man is in has nothing to do with what is in the man.

I would expect a small town ISD chief to have properly working radios and know how the classroom doors lock and unlock. I would expect them to have access to a master key.

I do not care to get into much of this but this is spot on. Every one of those ISD officers should have master keys. Any if not every one, at least the chief. How do those ISD officers communicate everyday if they do not have working radios. I can understand outside agencies having an issue but not for the ISD.