The 5.0 coyote is a good engine

My Travel Trailer was 9k lbs. i would have dreaded to tow that thing with a 1/2 ton.

Glad I got rid of it, but people who own TT’s more often than not need the power of the diesel in a HD platform

Didn't mean to come off angry LOL! Well except the second sentence I guess. The comments about people having 3/4 tons and not needing them did get me and comments like that bug me across the board...like so and so doesn't need a hotrod, bassboat, etc etc etc. In general people need to mind their own business and worry about their own house. Until the person talking is assisting with bills for the other person, they shouldn't have any opinion in the matter...odds are the other person wants to drive that and can afford it, who am I (or anyone else) to say they shouldn't be driving that?

No one had mentioned the 3.5 ecoboost so I threw it out there...it will perform better than the Dodge and on paper (because I haven't driven one) the Chebby too, 100HP is a fair amount of difference with basically the same torque number. You're right the eco won't get 19+ with a trailer...more like 12-15 depending on how much those turbos are spinning. As we did both agree...mileage at the cost difference in diesel (not to mention maintenance) pretty much negates any of that.

I agree with you.
I've heard those little ecoboosts are workhorses for sure.

And on paper there is no doubt it does out perform both but we both know paper means nothing until the hitches are dropped onto the balls.
And I've pulled enough stuff over the years to know there is a big, big difference in diesel torque than gasoline torque so that is why I said I'd love to drive both with the exact same loads behind them just to see if the torque listed meets the ground like it does in the little diesel. I've pulled some pretty heavy loads with big gasoline engines (454 & 460s) and they certainly will pull but the big difference to me is when you get up to highway speed and that is where the diesel will win out every time in my experiences.

Of course a lot depends on where the torque band is with each one and that is one place where the little duramax may have that advantage because it is well into it's torque band at only 1600 rpms. I'm not sure where the 3.5L ecoboost has to be to be into it.

Yup
Though some of the 1/2 tons are rated for that and more.....no thanks. I want at least a 3/4 ton with that much behind me. lol

Nobody cares what you or anyone else wants or needs to drive. The point, which was clearly missed, was that quite a few folks who drive 3/4 tons, get 14 mpg, and pay $5 per gallon will quickly decide the 1/2 ton works just fine for their use, when they don't "need" the 3/4 ton for light duty work. Thus the entire point of this thread and several who have posted have agreed. You are confusing "needs" with "wants".

I have a 2020 Ram Laramie Ecodiesel Crew 4x4. 37k, no issues at all, avg 23.6 mpg over it's life. Fantastic ride, great interior, pulls my 30' TT easily. Not much to hate about it. My son just bought a refreshed '22 GMC Crew 4x4 Duramax and it's a great improvement over the old style it replaced. Very nice all the way around. As it stand today I'll take a 1/2T diesel over any 1/2 T gas burner I've ever owned, and that would include all of them several times over.

Jg, is your son's new one the one with the gear shift on the console and full electronic dash?

This is great real world info.


If you had to buy today, would you go GMC or Ram?

I had a GMC 2500 before I got my RAM. RAM interior is night and day better than the GMC, and that was a Denali trim. Had the dealer do an enhanced PDI when it was delivered and they found some things to fix at that point, but otherwise I haven't had issues with the truck after a year and 14k miles

Yessir it is. I really like the new interior a lot.

Well, I can't really say yet since I haven't driven his yet. I plan to do that when we go up to McKinney for his birthday in a couple of weeks. I do really love the idea of the straight six diesel though, even though my Ram has been perfect. FWIW I have he 3.92 rear end, I think his is a 3.23 and get a little better mileage. It is a very quiet ride like my Ram.

Gonna drive a diesel Rebel tomorrow.

I’m not 100% on board….AT4 is 9-12 months out. May go that route for my next truck.

Good thing is, I’m not stuck with a beater now and if I have to drive the Tremor for another year I could be much worse off

If I had to go to a 1/2 ton

Tundra

Diesel 3/4 ton, Tundra or Tacoma

And that’s about it honestly

I’m big into what’s proven

The Ford Ecoboost has little resale at 100k, about like a Ram 1500 w 100k

Even though the Ecoboost was the next big thing 10 years ago

You’re gonna take a bath on them all at 100k

Might as well take a better one is my view

I was shocked at what my Tundra brought

And I went w a 3/4 ton Diesel to replace it

I wouldn't touch a new Tundra for anything right now.

They are fugly!

I like mine and it tows fine but it takes its time doing it. An ecoboost the new tundra turbo 6 and the ram inline turbo 6 if it makes it out will all best the mini me diesels towing ability in a big way! The torque numbers are similar but the gas options make way more hp. If diesel stays priced how it is compared to gas buying the diesel is a mistake.

What do you mean was the next big thing? It is the big thing, it’s fords top selling motor and ram and Toyota are copying it.

and I don't like taking baths. I sold my last diesel with 160k miles on it and got top dollar.


That's why I'm driving a 3/4 ton currently.

Man do I have a truck for you!!!!!

Lightly used, urban subdivision soccer dad truck!!!! Never seen a trailer or off-road!!

190k and shocks still have oil in them, it’s still wet at the bottom!!(note that mud is from when they re-soded the yard and it rained) it’s never actually seen dirt with out concrete.

That, and this.....stolen from another forum:
"I'm on a few Tundra pages, including one for the 2022 model. Lots of stories from New Tundra owners whose trucks are sitting at dealers for weeks due to problems. Rear axle shaft that slid out, front Strut assembly failure, and plenty of turbo issues. Then there are common complaints about wind noise around windows, squeaking dashes and consoles, seat belt alarms, leaking roofs, etc.

It's bad enough that a popular truck and suv youtuber suggested 2 months ago that the 2022 might be a flop. Oh, and MPG isn't all that much improved."

Ford dropped those and went all electric. Great move on their part, they’ll cater to the woke feminine crowd.

Fitting IMHO