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Re: What is going on with the Marlin 336?
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03/28/22 10:38 PM
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The which is faster debate might be easily settled by considering the straight-pull bolt actions that appear to have caught on well with hog hunters wanting something to knock them down while on a dead run. still a Four movement mechanism.....lift the bolt handle, pull back, push forward, push bolt handle down....its just faster than a traditional bolt gun. No lifting or pushing down the bolt handle with a straight pull, which is how the design got it's name. They're touted as being the closest thing to a semi while still achieving the accuracy of a bolt action. Of course, that's a matter of opinion. As was the case when those first semi's hit the market, be ready to fork down some bucks if you want a good one. Like the Helix that produces full length bolt travel with only half the movement of the bolt handle. Now that's slicker than cat chit.
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Re: What is going on with the Marlin 336?
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03/28/22 10:41 PM
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Re: What is going on with the Marlin 336?
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03/28/22 10:52 PM
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The which is faster debate might be easily settled by considering the straight-pull bolt actions that appear to have caught on well with hog hunters wanting something to knock them down while on a dead run. still a Four movement mechanism.....lift the bolt handle, pull back, push forward, push bolt handle down....its just faster than a traditional bolt gun. No lifting or pushing down the bolt handle with a straight pull, which is how the design got it's name. They're touted as being the closest thing to a semi while still achieving the accuracy of a bolt action. Of course, that's a matter of opinion. As was the case when those first semi's hit the market, be ready to fork down some bucks if you want a good one. Like the Helix that produces full length bolt travel with only half the movement of the bolt handle. I've shot Blaser rifles. there is a slight lift that you have to pull on the bolt to get it to slide back. its not free floating and goes back with no effort. What they don’t have is the 54-90 degree lift that a traditional bolt gun has and it is indeed faster, but is it enough to make a difference in the real world? Probably not
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Re: What is going on with the Marlin 336?
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03/28/22 10:55 PM
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Re: What is going on with the Marlin 336?
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03/28/22 11:12 PM
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Never had a 336 but my 30A shoots dang well. Been my deer rifle since the early 90's when I bought it off an older co-worker no longer hunting. I just like the way it feels. My feeders are 100 yards from my blinds.
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Re: What is going on with the Marlin 336?
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03/29/22 10:36 AM
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Unknowing buyers have messed up the values on Marlins because they misunderstand "JM stamped". The average age of my Marlins is 54...older than me. JM stamped means NOTHING in quality and therefore it should not mean anything related to value (in most cases). I am a Marlin fan and would not even consider a Marlin made after 2000, a full ten years before the Remington takeover. Marlin quality was going way down hill well before the sale so a JM stamped rifle from the end may be a POS. Conversely, Remington (after a couple years) fixed the production issues that were caused by Marlin and started making good rifles. Instead of retooling, expanding, modernizing...Marlin "adapted production" by offsetting the machining, etc. When Remington had new people using new equipment, tolerances were off and their QC was too poor to catch them all. But a fairly recent Remlin can and likely is a better rifle than an end of production Marlin. Those that disagree are the ones that rushed to buy the last of the real Marlins because they read online about "JM stamped". BTW, some (a lot) JM era Marlins aren't stamped for one reason or another and internet JM bullies will put a lower value because they know nothing about the stamp other than it's supposed to "make it worth more". There's a NHC Remlin 60 for sale here. It might be fine. It will be interesting to see if it sells for double what I would pay.
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Re: What is going on with the Marlin 336?
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03/29/22 11:00 AM
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Also, the 336 and Model 94 were late model Lever Guns. They were originally designed as high capacity firearms chambered in pistol calibers to complement a revolver. Huh? The Marlin 1894 (94) was introduced in 1893 as a new model for the next year and was offered in three rifle cartridges. They added more rifle cartridges along the way. It wasn't until 1969 that Marlin made a short action 1894 for use with straight wall handgun rounds (.44 MAG). Then Marlin added .357 MAG and .41 MAG in the '70's and '80's. The Marlin 336 is much younger and more recent with production starting only 74 years ago. It has been chambered in TEN rifle cartridges, ONE pistol cartridge (.44 Magnum, VERY rare), and ONE shotgun cartridge (.410 bore, VERY rare). Colt made early SAA revolvers in RIFLE cartridges like 44WCF (.44-40 WIN), 38WCF (.38-40 WIN), and 32WCF (.32-20 WIN) so people with Marlin and Winchester rifles (almost all rifles were lever action for decades) could have a side arm. 30WCF (.30-30 WIN) was a little long and hot for Colt to chamber a revolver in and it got hotter with the change to smokeless powder. The 336 is in second place all time for sales regarding hunting rifles to the Winchester 1894. Those two have fed more people than any other rifle most would say. Now there are better options for most any kind of hunting but lever-action rifles are still cool.
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Re: What is going on with the Marlin 336?
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03/29/22 11:30 AM
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Also, the 336 and Model 94 were late model Lever Guns. They were originally designed as high capacity firearms chambered in pistol calibers to complement a revolver. Huh? The Marlin 1894 (94) was introduced in 1893 as a new model for the next year and was offered in three rifle cartridges. They added more rifle cartridges along the way. It wasn't until 1969 that Marlin made a short action 1894 for use with straight wall handgun rounds (.44 MAG). Then Marlin added .357 MAG and .41 MAG in the '70's and '80's. The Marlin 336 is much younger and more recent with production starting only 74 years ago. It has been chambered in TEN rifle cartridges, ONE pistol cartridge (.44 Magnum, VERY rare), and ONE shotgun cartridge (.410 bore, VERY rare). Colt made early SAA revolvers in RIFLE cartridges like 44WCF (.44-40 WIN), 38WCF (.38-40 WIN), and 32WCF (.32-20 WIN) so people with Marlin and Winchester rifles (almost all rifles were lever action for decades) could have a side arm. 30WCF (.30-30 WIN) was a little long and hot for Colt to chamber a revolver in and it got hotter with the change to smokeless powder. The 336 is in second place all time for sales regarding hunting rifles to the Winchester 1894. Those two have fed more people than any other rifle most would say. Now there are better options for most any kind of hunting but lever-action rifles are still cool. Maybe he is referring to the Marlin 1894 model. That said, only a Winchester goes by the name “model 94” when it comes to lever guns because of its overwhelming history, and no off the shelf 336 could ever stand up to the action on a 94 because Winchester had that thing down. Wish I never sold my 9422 in 22 mag
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Re: What is going on with the Marlin 336?
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03/29/22 02:19 PM
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When I started deer hunt I borrowed a friends 336. I’ve alway loved lever rifles and after season I asked if he wanted to sell. He went on about the greatness and what not about this marlin and his is best time period they made them. He would of just said no at the beginning it would saved me some time. I don’t care for anything that low number, matching number, special, sought after, blablaaablaa… I will say, if I reload, I would spend the $$$ on one cause his shoots really well.
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Re: What is going on with the Marlin 336?
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03/29/22 02:29 PM
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Also, the 336 and Model 94 were late model Lever Guns. They were originally designed as high capacity firearms chambered in pistol calibers to complement a revolver. Huh? The Marlin 1894 (94) was introduced in 1893 as a new model for the next year and was offered in three rifle cartridges. They added more rifle cartridges along the way. It wasn't until 1969 that Marlin made a short action 1894 for use with straight wall handgun rounds (.44 MAG). Then Marlin added .357 MAG and .41 MAG in the '70's and '80's. The Marlin 336 is much younger and more recent with production starting only 74 years ago. It has been chambered in TEN rifle cartridges, ONE pistol cartridge (.44 Magnum, VERY rare), and ONE shotgun cartridge (.410 bore, VERY rare). Colt made early SAA revolvers in RIFLE cartridges like 44WCF (.44-40 WIN), 38WCF (.38-40 WIN), and 32WCF (.32-20 WIN) so people with Marlin and Winchester rifles (almost all rifles were lever action for decades) could have a side arm. 30WCF (.30-30 WIN) was a little long and hot for Colt to chamber a revolver in and it got hotter with the change to smokeless powder. The 336 is in second place all time for sales regarding hunting rifles to the Winchester 1894. Those two have fed more people than any other rifle most would say. Now there are better options for most any kind of hunting but lever-action rifles are still cool. I did mean the 1894 Marlin, sorry. My point was that the model 94 Winchester was a late model design compared to the Model 66 & 73’ which shot pistol cartridges. The 1876 and 1886 were geared towards being hunting rifles rather than a saddle carbine like the 94’ Winchester was. The 94’ was just chambered in a new smokeless cartridge at the time Side note: The 1886 was a fantastically made firearm. Did Winchester ever re-release them in a recent run?
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Re: What is going on with the Marlin 336?
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03/29/22 02:49 PM
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Re: What is going on with the Marlin 336?
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03/29/22 05:23 PM
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The 336 is in second place all time for sales regarding hunting rifles to the Winchester 1894. Those two have fed more people than any other rifle most would say. Now there are better options for most any kind of hunting but lever-action rifles are still cool.
Good or bad, the sport has evolved to more of a recreational activity dominated with box stands and feeders. A rifle that's easy to carry (scabbard included) and better equipped for quick shots doesn't matter much when you're sitting in an old office chair. Heck, it would be decades before hunters wanted something that would accept telescopic sights. I still enjoy taking a lever gun when headed to my lease to do some fishing or check cameras. You just never know when you might run across some critter than needs to be dispatched. And the Model 94 will never be beat as a gun that feels so natural that it's almost like carrying no gun at all.
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Re: What is going on with the Marlin 336?
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03/30/22 12:22 AM
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Procraft has 11 of 33 posts in this thread, most of which are just replies to himself. Yeah…no bitterness there.
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Re: What is going on with the Marlin 336?
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03/30/22 12:29 AM
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Nothing against Marlin owners, just that they seem to drive Saturns or Kias and tell us how awesome they are
Savage owners driver Dodge gassers, 1500 1/2 tons...
Savage guy is Marlin guy, so he drives Saturn coupe and she drives a Dodge 1500 gasser, single cab painted yellow...with a history of meth
Everybody knows this is true
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Re: What is going on with the Marlin 336?
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03/30/22 12:31 AM
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Re: What is going on with the Marlin 336?
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03/30/22 12:39 AM
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That yellow single cab Dodge 1500 has the Roadrunner sticker on the back quarter panel too
Y'all know what I am talking about....
Thats balls deep Savage/Marlin owner deluxe
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Re: What is going on with the Marlin 336?
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No offense to anybody of course
But just wanted to point out what to look for
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Re: What is going on with the Marlin 336?
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I’m wondering if Procraft has been slippin over to Norml’s place. What else could cause a one sided lever action conversation and then make the lever action synonymous with a Dodge , or a roadrunner , or was it a Kia ?
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Re: What is going on with the Marlin 336?
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I’m wondering if Procraft has been slippin over to Norml’s place. What else could cause a one sided lever action conversation and then make the lever action synonymous with a Dodge , or a roadrunner , or was it a Kia ? I try and speak the truth here It doesn't make any sense to have one, they're sorry rifles Just like Saturns and Ram 1500's Buy what you want If you like trash, by all means A 2 MOA rifle is garbage
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Re: What is going on with the Marlin 336?
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And Ive owned 3, none of which would outshoot ANY Ruger American or a Bear Creek AR
I gave them a solid, best I could do chance
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Re: What is going on with the Marlin 336?
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I’m wondering if Procraft has been slippin over to Norml’s place. What else could cause a one sided lever action conversation and then make the lever action synonymous with a Dodge , or a roadrunner , or was it a Kia ? Somebody owns both...
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Re: What is going on with the Marlin 336?
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Hey procraft, they make an 'edit' button if you realize you didn't say all you wanted to say before you hit 'post'
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Re: What is going on with the Marlin 336?
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See y’all around Thur or Fri, gonna be gone for a few days
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Re: What is going on with the Marlin 336?
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Re: What is going on with the Marlin 336?
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My 30-30 is used in a heavy wooded area. No shots over about 25 yards and it has never failed or missed.
MANY years ago I bought an old model 73 Win lever in 38-40. I took it that weekend and killed a nice buck with it. It and the ancient ammo are safe queens.
Heck; at my age, shooting anything over about 50 yards requires magnification and a good rest.
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