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 Re: 7mm08
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10/28/21 03:33 PM
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The problem right now, and especially with 7mm, is you can't find anything in stock other than super heavy target bullets.
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Re: 7mm08
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10/28/21 03:38 PM
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From the hunting I have done, people I have talked to and hunting I have seen, it seems like the majority of the LONG hunting shots are intentionally made to be long by the shooter. Not saying it couldn't be beneficial to hunt long range, but by in large it is the extreme exception and not the rule from what I have seen. Depends where and what you hunt. Friend of mine in Idaho has a wall full of giant mule deer, not one was killed under 400 yards, with one just a touch over a 1000. Not saying he could or couldn't get closer, but the terrain he targets is burns, above tree line, avalanche shoots etc. Not 1oo yard hill country type of country. Plus shooting boulders up there is a national past time My TX mule deer last year I stalked 4 times and couldn't get under 400, finally, I just drove my mule to him, ranged him at 250, and one high shoulder shot and he dropped where he stood. Never got out if the mule. Now if I was in a state like Okla Or CO, I’d had to eIther pass, or change calibers. I have hunted that lease since 2007 and never had to shoot a deer over 200 yards till 2019 and it was just barely over 200 yards. Most of my shots were 100 to 165 yards off of sticks or the rest on the Ranger. If you can walk or drive you can get within 100 yards out there on that 70,000 acres. If you wanted to shoot a 1000 yards you could at any time you are hunting. Terrain can help or hinder you on a hunt...you just have to figure out how to hunt that terrain to make it fit you style of hunting. It was an example, technically I was at 200 first time I got on him making sure I wanted him, after that that stag buck wasn't letting you get close on foot , I'm no ever shooting a 1000 yards I'm taking a picture to mark land marks, then using Onx to set a location pin and Then closing in on that pin with the winds blessing .
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Re: 7mm08
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10/28/21 03:43 PM
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I'm a big fan of the 140 grain accubond in the 7mm-08.
i wouldn't hesitate to shoot a bull elk with it at or around 300 yards and under It will easily do that, as you already know. The most impressive bullet performance I've ever seen out of that bullet was when my muley hunting buddy Big Al snuck up on a big 180" muley buck and whacked him at 30 yards with a 7mm STW. That bullet was easily running 3300 at the muzzle. That big buck stood up and started to leave as Big Al planted the bullet just forward of his back hip joint, quartering away, and we found the bullet under the skin in the off-shoulder, a full 30+ inches of penetration. The bullet still held over 60% of its weight.
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Re: 7mm08
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10/28/21 04:18 PM
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I'm a big fan of the 140 grain accubond in the 7mm-08.
i wouldn't hesitate to shoot a bull elk with it at or around 300 yards and under That combination has cost me alot in taxidermy fees.
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Re: 7mm08
[Re: Jgraider]
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10/28/21 06:51 PM
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I'm a big fan of the 140 grain accubond in the 7mm-08.
i wouldn't hesitate to shoot a bull elk with it at or around 300 yards and under It will easily do that, as you already know. The most impressive bullet performance I've ever seen out of that bullet was when my muley hunting buddy Big Al snuck up on a big 180" muley buck and whacked him at 30 yards with a 7mm STW. That bullet was easily running 3300 at the muzzle. That big buck stood up and started to leave as Big Al planted the bullet just forward of his back hip joint, quartering away, and we found the bullet under the skin in the off-shoulder, a full 30+ inches of penetration. The bullet still held over 60% of its weight. I started to ask what the BC was at 30 yards(with a smiley face), but I don’t want to upset the long range guys. I respect the abilities of long range shooting tremendously(may even be jealous) but I like the bullet performance stories like you just told.
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Re: 7mm08
[Re: Southtexas36]
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10/28/21 07:40 PM
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BOBO the Clown
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I'm a big fan of the 140 grain accubond in the 7mm-08.
i wouldn't hesitate to shoot a bull elk with it at or around 300 yards and under That combination has cost me alot in taxidermy fees. Understatement!!!!!! Hope all is well Sir!
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Re: 7mm08
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10/28/21 08:14 PM
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I'm a big fan of the 140 grain accubond in the 7mm-08.
i wouldn't hesitate to shoot a bull elk with it at or around 300 yards and under That combination has cost me alot in taxidermy fees. Understatement!!!!!! Hope all is well Sir! All good.........hope all is well with you also!
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Re: 7mm08
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10/28/21 08:40 PM
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My comments are not intended to argue, just my experiences. Having hunted all over TX, OK Panhandle, and Eastern half of NM for 50 years, and guided another 150 hunters in these same areas, the kills I've made, or seen, over 300 yards are probably not more than 15 max, and that's almost 500 animals killed (not including hogs and other vermin). I disagree that an Amax, ELDM, etc will hold together as well as an accubond or partition at under 100 yards, especially at 50 and under which has happened more than once IME. I agree, the 120-140g target bullet such as the Amax out of a 7-08 might fail at shorter ranges. Then again we’re talking about velocity not range correct? Is that not the perfect argument for why the 162g + bullets are a good answer? Launching at 26-2700 instead of 28-2900 like the lighter bullets. I dang sure agree that those bullets out of a magnum are never a good idea for hunting. I have shot two deer with that combo under 50 yards. One buck head on in the chest, no exit but no movement either. The other a doe broadside. Little hole in with a 3 finger exit. Small sample under 50 but my experience.
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Re: 7mm08
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10/28/21 10:16 PM
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Closest deer I've hit with a 162 A-Max and 162 ELD-X has been about 80 yards. MV 2640 fps.
1 1/2" exit, no tracking.
Hit em a whole lot farther than that, and still ended up field dressing and quartering.
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Re: 7mm08
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10/28/21 10:30 PM
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I know it’s practice for hunting. I know you hunt. I’m just saying If you don’t practice consistently at those longer ranges, you should limit your shots and either get closer or pass. I agree. However, the 162 can do what the 140 can do. But the 140 cannot do what the 162 can do.  One of your best quotes, moderate speed, fairly heavy for cartridge bullets and eat right up to the hole. That's the 162, 168 in 7mm-08. It's actually a fairly common saying on another forum so I can't take credit but it's very true. 
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Re: 7mm08
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10/28/21 10:37 PM
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This "discussion" has had no fur flying. Everyone seems to be in a kinder gentler place. As crazy as the world is right now, we need to be kindler and gentler to each other. With very few exceptions we generally share the same values on this forum and just argue over minutiae.
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Re: 7mm08
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10/29/21 01:20 AM
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This "discussion" has had no fur flying. Everyone seems to be in a kinder gentler place. As crazy as the world is right now, we need to be kindler and gentler to each other. With very few exceptions we generally share the same values on this forum and just argue over minutiae. 100% agree.
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Re: 7mm08
[Re: wp75169]
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10/29/21 03:25 AM
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My comments are not intended to argue, just my experiences. Having hunted all over TX, OK Panhandle, and Eastern half of NM for 50 years, and guided another 150 hunters in these same areas, the kills I've made, or seen, over 300 yards are probably not more than 15 max, and that's almost 500 animals killed (not including hogs and other vermin). I disagree that an Amax, ELDM, etc will hold together as well as an accubond or partition at under 100 yards, especially at 50 and under which has happened more than once IME. I agree, the 120-140g target bullet such as the Amax out of a 7-08 might fail at shorter ranges. Then again we’re talking about velocity not range correct? Is that not the perfect argument for why the 162g + bullets are a good answer? Launching at 26-2700 instead of 28-2900 like the lighter bullets. I dang sure agree that those bullets out of a magnum are never a good idea for hunting. I have shot two deer with that combo under 50 yards. One buck head on in the chest, no exit but no movement either. The other a doe broadside. Little hole in with a 3 finger exit. Small sample under 50 but my experience. Amax is a better hunting bullet than any of the eld anything. I shot two doe(154 and 310y) with the 162-x no issues, good performance. Third non-pig animal was a yote at 117y and it zipped right thru him, pencilled. Not the first one I had seen but first one I had do it. They are now relegated to pig only. Also, comparing these to an accubond or partition is not fair, those are both a bonded bullet. Mono or a bonded bullet is all that would compare to those two, because that’s what they are. 
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Re: 7mm08
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10/29/21 03:44 AM
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This "discussion" has had no fur flying. Everyone seems to be in a kinder gentler place. As crazy as the world is right now, we need to be kindler and gentler to each other. With very few exceptions we generally share the same values on this forum and just argue over minutiae. The 7mm-08 is the great unifier
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Re: 7mm08
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10/29/21 02:42 PM
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Re: 7mm08
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10/29/21 03:43 PM
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What is the best Hornady bullet for 7-08 long range target shooting? And what powder goes best with it?
My plan is to rebarrel my Tikka CTR with a bartlein 7-08 when my 6.5CM factory barrel is shot out. Now that I have my own range at home, hopefully I'll start making quicker progress in ending the factory barrel's life. I'm about 1200 rounds in right now if I recall. Tikka actually makes the CTR in 7-08, but for some reason they've never imported any into the US. I think they're missing out on an opportunity.
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Re: 7mm08
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10/29/21 04:04 PM
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My comments are not intended to argue, just my experiences. Having hunted all over TX, OK Panhandle, and Eastern half of NM for 50 years, and guided another 150 hunters in these same areas, the kills I've made, or seen, over 300 yards are probably not more than 15 max, and that's almost 500 animals killed (not including hogs and other vermin). I disagree that an Amax, ELDM, etc will hold together as well as an accubond or partition at under 100 yards, especially at 50 and under which has happened more than once IME. I agree, the 120-140g target bullet such as the Amax out of a 7-08 might fail at shorter ranges. Then again we’re talking about velocity not range correct? Is that not the perfect argument for why the 162g + bullets are a good answer? Launching at 26-2700 instead of 28-2900 like the lighter bullets. I dang sure agree that those bullets out of a magnum are never a good idea for hunting. I have shot two deer with that combo under 50 yards. One buck head on in the chest, no exit but no movement either. The other a doe broadside. Little hole in with a 3 finger exit. Small sample under 50 but my experience. Amax is a better hunting bullet than any of the eld anything. I shot two doe(154 and 310y) with the 162-x no issues, good performance. Third non-pig animal was a yote at 117y and it zipped right thru him, pencilled. Not the first one I had seen but first one I had do it. They are now relegated to pig only. Also, comparing these to an accubond or partition is not fair, those are both a bonded bullet. Mono or a bonded bullet is all that would compare to those two, because that’s what they are. The Partition is not a bonded bullet. It does have a copper partition separating the front and rear cores though.
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Re: 7mm08
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10/29/21 04:04 PM
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I just bought a second 708 this year for daughter to hunt with. She loves shooting it. Hopefully we'll get some blood on it tomorrow. Mine has taken more animals than I can remember, and still does its job with monotonous regularity. My experieince with the new one so far gives me no reason to believe it won't do the same.
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Re: 7mm08
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10/29/21 04:10 PM
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What is the best Hornady bullet for 7-08 long range target shooting? And what powder goes best with it?
My plan is to rebarrel my Tikka CTR with a bartlein 7-08 when my 6.5CM factory barrel is shot out. Now that I have my own range at home, hopefully I'll start making quicker progress in ending the factory barrel's life. I'm about 1200 rounds in right now if I recall. Tikka actually makes the CTR in 7-08, but for some reason they've never imported any into the US. I think they're missing out on an opportunity. It’s not Tikka it’s beretta. They have many options they will not import but that are readily available in Canada and many other nations. Unfortunately for us they sell as many .270 T3x lites as they can fit on a ship. I Get the business model and I would likely do the same. Like the CTR, they make it in left hand 7mm-08, my fat [censored] is not getting one though, or any other lefty CTR.
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Re: 7mm08
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What is the best Hornady bullet for 7-08 long range target shooting? And what powder goes best with it?
My plan is to rebarrel my Tikka CTR with a bartlein 7-08 when my 6.5CM factory barrel is shot out. Now that I have my own range at home, hopefully I'll start making quicker progress in ending the factory barrel's life. I'm about 1200 rounds in right now if I recall. Tikka actually makes the CTR in 7-08, but for some reason they've never imported any into the US. I think they're missing out on an opportunity. It’s not Tikka it’s beretta. They have many options they will not import but that are readily available in Canada and many other nations. Unfortunately for us they sell as many .270 T3x lites as they can fit on a ship. I Get the business model and I would likely do the same. Like the CTR, they make it in left hand 7mm-08, my fat [censored] is not getting one though, or any other lefty CTR. Buy a lefty .473 bolt face. Buy a Bartlein 7mm 1:8.7 twist Manners or McMillan Grayboe DBM Pay the man to do the lathe work. You'll only have four times the money in it as a CTR, but it will be better. I've done it several times.
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Re: 7mm08
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My comments are not intended to argue, just my experiences. Having hunted all over TX, OK Panhandle, and Eastern half of NM for 50 years, and guided another 150 hunters in these same areas, the kills I've made, or seen, over 300 yards are probably not more than 15 max, and that's almost 500 animals killed (not including hogs and other vermin). I disagree that an Amax, ELDM, etc will hold together as well as an accubond or partition at under 100 yards, especially at 50 and under which has happened more than once IME. I agree, the 120-140g target bullet such as the Amax out of a 7-08 might fail at shorter ranges. Then again we’re talking about velocity not range correct? Is that not the perfect argument for why the 162g + bullets are a good answer? Launching at 26-2700 instead of 28-2900 like the lighter bullets. I dang sure agree that those bullets out of a magnum are never a good idea for hunting. I have shot two deer with that combo under 50 yards. One buck head on in the chest, no exit but no movement either. The other a doe broadside. Little hole in with a 3 finger exit. Small sample under 50 but my experience. Amax is a better hunting bullet than any of the eld anything. I shot two doe(154 and 310y) with the 162-x no issues, good performance. Third non-pig animal was a yote at 117y and it zipped right thru him, pencilled. Not the first one I had seen but first one I had do it. They are now relegated to pig only. Also, comparing these to an accubond or partition is not fair, those are both a bonded bullet. Mono or a bonded bullet is all that would compare to those two, because that’s what they are. The Partition is not a bonded bullet. It does have a copper partition separating the front and rear cores though. Learn something new everyday…I thought they bonded the two cores. Thanks JCB.
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Re: 7mm08
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10/29/21 07:24 PM
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The Partition is not a bonded bullet. It does have a copper partition separating the front and rear cores though.
Learn something new everyday…I thought they bonded the two cores. Thanks JCB. There was a bonded partition from combined Technologies (Nosler and Winchester) called the Partition Gold.. Another Bonded bullet with a partition is the Swift a-Frame JCB is right the Nosler Partition is not a bonded bullet but a cup and core bullet drawn 2 directions in current manufacture. The jacket on the early partitions was turned on a lathe and included a ring on the outside of the bullet over the belt to relieve pressure from the solid gilding metal area of the partition. Think I still have a few of those in .243
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Re: 7mm08
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10/29/21 08:32 PM
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What is the best Hornady bullet for 7-08 long range target shooting? And what powder goes best with it?
My plan is to rebarrel my Tikka CTR with a bartlein 7-08 when my 6.5CM factory barrel is shot out. Now that I have my own range at home, hopefully I'll start making quicker progress in ending the factory barrel's life. I'm about 1200 rounds in right now if I recall. Tikka actually makes the CTR in 7-08, but for some reason they've never imported any into the US. I think they're missing out on an opportunity. It’s not Tikka it’s beretta. They have many options they will not import but that are readily available in Canada and many other nations. Unfortunately for us they sell as many .270 T3x lites as they can fit on a ship. I Get the business model and I would likely do the same. Like the CTR, they make it in left hand 7mm-08, my fat [censored] is not getting one though, or any other lefty CTR. Buy a lefty .473 bolt face. Buy a Bartlein 7mm 1:8.7 twist Manners or McMillan Grayboe DBM Pay the man to do the lathe work. You'll only have four times the money in it as a CTR, but it will be better. I've done it several times. Other than the lefty part, I may end up having to do this, between this and wanting suppressors I need to get a secondary income soon. 
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Re: 7mm08
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10/29/21 10:26 PM
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The Partition is not a bonded bullet. It does have a copper partition separating the front and rear cores though.
Learn something new everyday…I thought they bonded the two cores. Thanks JCB. There was a bonded partition from combined Technologies (Nosler and Winchester) called the Partition Gold.. Another Bonded bullet with a partition is the Swift a-Frame JCB is right the Nosler Partition is not a bonded bullet but a cup and core bullet drawn 2 directions in current manufacture. The jacket on the early partitions was turned on a lathe and included a ring on the outside of the bullet over the belt to relieve pressure from the solid gilding metal area of the partition. Think I still have a few of those in .243 I remember the Partition Gold but don’t remember those being bonded either. I do remember they were coated and had a steel partition but don’t remember them being bonded. I remember the steel insert upset the balance of the bullet and they didn’t go over to well.
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Re: 7mm08
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10/29/21 10:51 PM
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I'm pretty sure the Partition Gold's weren't bonded. The only difference in them and the originals, besides the black coating, was that the partition in the PG's were further forward than in the original's. This theoretically allowed for higher weight retention.
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