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a few novice questions
#84119
08/20/06 09:54 PM
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stdcrk17
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i bought a bow after last deer season ended. i wanted more of a challenge and had some extra money. once i got the bow i was fastly addicted to shooting it; i shoot about 50-100 arrows 5 to 7 times a week. i have a few questions though. my string is spliced into 3 parts to contain the peep sight, which i am sure is a common practice. but when i draw my bow and look through the sight the strings are in my way and gives me double vision on my target and sight pins. i think the string loop where i put my release is causing the string to turn becasue it doesnt stay straight back like it used to, instead the loop part of it points forward down the arrow when my release isnt on there. any ideas on how to get that dang thing to stay in the backwards position. also i am fletching my own arrows now using the arizona ez fletch tool. not sure what i am doing wrong but a few of my arrows slightly fishtail in flight. the fletchings appear to be lined up perfectly. i am fletching them left helical; should i change to right or offset? one more question that is probably a dumb one but i am going to ask it anyways. the sight pin gaurd(i am assuming its called that) on mine has a glow in the dark strip around it. what is the practicallity of this, is this susposed to be used in the aiming process? as far as i can tell the only need for the gaurd is to protect the pins from getting smashed or moved around? thats all i can think of off the top of my head, i have tons more but i'll save em for another time. i will appreciate any help i can get.
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Re: a few novice questions
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#84120
08/20/06 11:54 PM
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If that is a string type loop you should be able to spin it so you can see clearly through your peep. The arrow question I don't have an answer, but someone on here will. I think the "glow in the dark strip" is probably a fibre optic band to help light up your pins in low light conditions, but without seeing it that is just a guess. Hope that helps a little.
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Re: a few novice questions
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#84121
08/21/06 01:16 AM
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The arrows coming of the rest like that could be a tuning problem or just your vanes are hitting your arrow rest. especially if you dont have a drop away rest. Make sure you turn your arrows to where the one off colored vanes is set as to give your vanes clearence when shooting.All your arrows should set one way when nocked.Fletching to the left or right doesnt make that much difference unless your broadheads are set to spin left or right.In that case you want them tuned together.Also you might want to mark the arrows that are hitting outside your shot. Could be that these particuler arrows may be fletched bad.After a few rounds you may be able to use your best judgement as to if its the arrow or just you. As for the glow in the dark strip around your sight, this is to help you line up your sight as well as protection as you mentioned. you should see the circle within a circle then center your pin on your target and shoot.Hope that makes sense. And twisting your string is the only way I know to get the peep right . I had to twist my string a few times to get my 2X2 peep to alling properly. there are a few times I twist it into allignment right befor nocking an arrow. Then again there are peep sights out there that have a tube tied to a buss cable and when at full draw the peep sight is pulled into allignment. Hope this helps. and I dont belive there is a dumb question. The dumb thing is not asking .. 
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Re: a few novice questions
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#84122
08/21/06 01:42 AM
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First welcome to the forum. Regarding you peep sight that is not uncommon and pretty much happens all the time. IMO you will not correct it, get you another peep. Your arrow fight problem could be tuning or it could be the helical. Again IMO do away with the right or left helical and go straight blazers. I don't think I read what type rest you were using, using a helical vane you just about have to have a drop away, so your vanes will not hit the rest as the arrow start to twist. Hope this helps some.
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Re: a few novice questions
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#84123
08/21/06 10:14 PM
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i am using a whisker bisquit. and i was thinking about getting a new peep but i am not sure on how to install it. is there a string seperator tool, do i need a bow press to do that type of string work? the nearest bow shop that i know of to me is in conroe, and i am north of huntsville; a pretty good drive to go get expert advice. irregardless i still cant wait to get in a tree and arrow a big ole buck in a month or so.
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Re: a few novice questions
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#84124
08/21/06 10:23 PM
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I think you do need a press to install a new peep. I use the peep that separates in two instead of three strands and once the string is stretched and you adjust your loop you should be golden.
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Re: a few novice questions
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#84125
08/21/06 10:38 PM
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I think you do need a press to install a new peep. I use the peep that separates in two instead of three strands and once the string is stretched and you adjust your loop you should be golden.
I agree you will more then likely need a bow press. But if I may add my two cents, You really should go to a bow shop instead of trying to put your peep sight on youself.Its best so who ever is installing your peep will help allign it to you line of sight. You dont want it too low or too high and they will also set it in place by tieing a "serving" on either end of the peep ( on the string).This keeps your sight in place.
Just my two cents 
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Re: a few novice questions
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#84126
08/22/06 03:44 PM
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The arrow problem turned out to be a fletching problem; i have no idea why but i refletched them and they fly fine now. A few more questions cropped up in my head last night while i was shooting: From how far away do yall think i could get a pass through on a whitetail with? I am shooting a pse nova su 28" draw at 65lbs, beman ics carbon arrows, 100 gr. muzzy broadheads and the chrono put it at 267fps once i had all my stuff on the string and what not. i am guessing 30-40 yards just based on how the arrow penetrates my foam layerd target. also what do yall consider decent groups at 10,20,30 and 40 yards? just trying to get an idea of how i am doing.
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Re: a few novice questions
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#84127
08/22/06 06:39 PM
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The way an old archer told me one time is in the size of a pie plate. If your groups are in that you are good. I like them a little tighter but a pie plate will kill a deer. As for the pepe sight. You can go with a peep that only splits the string in half not 3 ways. That will help eliminate your problem. Or you can put a hindsight on there and eliminate the peep sight all together. I just put one on my bow. Now that i know how to use it I love it. Here is a link to the hindsight. You can read about it there. http://www.hindsightco.com/hs/
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Re: a few novice questions
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#84128
08/22/06 07:08 PM
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Just cursious, did you go back with straight fletching. As far as past through, depends on shop placement, whether you hit a bone or get into the shoulder. Grouping 5 to 6 inch would be good.
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Re: a few novice questions
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08/22/06 07:10 PM
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i am guessing 30-40 yards just based on how the arrow penetrates my foam layerd target.
At that range, you probably won't even hit a deer. At least not where your aiming. It's fine to practice at 30, 40, or even 50 yards, but limit your shots to 20-25 yards for whitetail deer. Preferably 15 to 20 yards. Believe it or not, but the bow your using is not a very quiet bow, and your likely to have every deer you shoot at jump the string. At 40 yards, there's a real good chance the deer will completely jump out of the way before the arrow ever gets there.
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Re: a few novice questions
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#84130
08/22/06 08:20 PM
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yes, it is quite loud upon arrow release, dont know of any ways to quiet it down either. i fletched them the same, left helical; i will have to buy new arms for my ez fletcher if i wanna go with straight. i saw those hind sights before and i was thinking about getting one. good thing you brought that up few questions for you. are they difficult to put on and sight in? how accurate are they and will they stay on? i am decently accurate with my peep sight, i can keep a 5 shot group in a 10 inch diameter circle consistently from 40 yards, is it atleast that accurate? and last of all, with it this close to season i dont know if it would be wise of me to order one put it on and get used to it all in a months time. you guys are are a great help thanks for all the advice.
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Re: a few novice questions
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#84131
08/23/06 02:15 AM
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Your shooting an older bow so I would check to see if the string has been replaced recently as far as your peep sight goes it may be a worn string. The reason for helical fletchings is for broadheads if you shoot mechanicals straight will be fine and for field points but helical gives the arrow a spin just like a rifled bullet which makes open broadheads fly better as far as right or left if you target shoot with broadheads alot a left helical fletch will make your broadheads loose after every shot (righty tighty) because the arrow is turning left when it hits the target oh yeah and about the only things you can do for silence is string silencers, limb savers, and a good stabilizer for bow kick and if you bring your bow to a shop get them to paper tune it it will help you determine how straight your arrow is flying and the need for tuning. hope this helps bud.
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Re: a few novice questions
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08/23/06 12:49 PM
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i saw those hind sights before and i was thinking about getting one. good thing you brought that up few questions for you. are they difficult to put on and sight in? how accurate are they and will they stay on?
I just put mine on. It was real easy to sight in. The only problem I had was I was trying to sight it in like a peep sight and you don't do that. Installation is easy if you put it on with your peep still in place. That way you can pull the string back and move the hind sight in line with your peep. Takes the guess work out of it. I love mine. This will be my first season I will hunt with it.
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Re: a few novice questions
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08/23/06 03:52 PM
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The way an old archer told me one time is in the size of a pie plate. If your groups are in that you are good. I like them a little tighter but a pie plate will kill a deer.
I always heard don't shoot any further than the distance you can keep five arrows in a saucer (4-5"). On smaller deer a pie plate may be the difference between a hit and a miss. My personal goal is 1" per 10 yards. In other words at 20yds keeping five arrows in a 2" spread, 30 yards - 3", 40 yards-4", consistently. But, to each their own. As long as you feel confident in your shot and know your equipment's limits, go for it.
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Re: a few novice questions
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08/24/06 11:38 PM
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4 inches at 40 yards; ya i got some work to do. by the way, i got my first kill with the bow, a bird from about 4 yards. it cost me a carbon arrow but it was worth it.
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Re: a few novice questions
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08/25/06 10:37 AM
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The way an old archer told me one time is in the size of a pie plate. If your groups are in that you are good. I like them a little tighter but a pie plate will kill a deer.
I always heard don't shoot any further than the distance you can keep five arrows in a saucer (4-5"). On smaller deer a pie plate may be the difference between a hit and a miss. My personal goal is 1" per 10 yards. In other words at 20yds keeping five arrows in a 2" spread, 30 yards - 3", 40 yards-4", consistently. But, to each their own. As long as you feel confident in your shot and know your equipment's limits, go for it.
grizzlyman2 i like your thinking, if your arrows are more than 2" apart then you don't need to shoot any farther at anything you don't want to be chasing around allday or night, 20 yds is going to be about all i would want to shoot with you current setup, thats just my opinion. as for peep rotation it is your string, factory strings are junk.
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Re: a few novice questions
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#84136
08/25/06 12:56 PM
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The old pie plate. Man my dad and his buddies used to talk about that back in the 70's. They would also walk around the lease in Lometa and launch arrows at deer at 50 yards. I am afraid things like this is what gave bowhunting a black eye in Texas around that time. We are starting to repair our reputation so please put the old pie plate back in the cupboard. Limit your shots to 20 yards. Zero in on the 2 inch circle. If ONE of my arrows misses it from 15-25 yards I get all freaked out. Put the "smackdown" on 'em at 12-15 yards and you will be greatly successful and become very confident.
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