Sig just punked swaro with the base map upload. Sig really has taken a huge role in pushing ballistic technologies at an affordable price point.

Interesting but still no 12x

Love my BDX3000 bino’s for the ranging and app interface, but dang it the viewing experience is just abysmal. If only it was like looking through a pair of Leicas….

They still need to tweak some rifle scope features.

I’ve always said same thing, Swaro glass, Leica ergonomics, Sig ballistics, Vortex warranty, Maven price and 12X!!!

Half their scope features aren’t legal in a lot states so their lacking isn’t that big of deal.

I replaced my Vortex Fury HD w/ Sig BDX3k and I've been really happy...I did it for less than half what Ziess, Swarvo and Leica cost. My eyes are not good enough to see a 2x difference between them either.

I'm a fan of what Sig is doing.

Was hunting an all around scope for a friend that manages an Academy Sports. She gets a 20% discount I think. So I was sticking with what they deal in, and Sig was one brand. There's some pretty good options, but on their mid tier scopes they had some MOA options, but not Mil. Really, these days, that's backwards. MOA has really fallen out of favor. Had that same conversation with a Swaro rep at a rifle match. What I told him, and what I told him to go investigate with 120 shooters on the property was all news to him.

It's like optics makers don't have any shooters working for them.

Waiting to see the head to head on the Sig8k-ABS vs Gunwerks BR4. Pros and cons to both but I would like to see a couple of comparisons before taking the plunge.

It appears that Sig is playing catch up in some ways to the Fury 5000 with the full blown AB software, wind detection, etc. Their RF's are amazing that's for sure. Main upgrades seem to be RF ability, choice of aiming reticles, and they claim upgraded optics but the jury is out on that one. 5 yr warranty on electronics still lags way behind Vortex, but then everyone lags behind Vortex in the electronic warranty arena. Hopefully their quality control is better with these, as my set of BDX 3000's had roaming diopters, and the actual laser beam was aligned outside of the circle reticle, all of which Sig replied was "within spec".

I'm selling my Fury 5000 AB's and will be going to the Geovid's with the new passport warranty. They are a great package, much superior to the Sig3000BDX that I had, but I've gotten used to superb optics. One thing about it, RF technology is rapidly accelerating, and I'm betting even though the FuryAB is new, it will be upgraded pretty soon as well.

They must be marketing to Buzz.

Most annoying thing in the world it patented reticles but that’s a different thread

Next time you see swaro rep tell them they are dumb for not having a 12x rangefinder bino

Ain’t nothing like paying 3k for technology that’s obsolete quicker then phones!!!

But on a serious note I concur.

I’d be happy with Vortex Razor glass/warranty + 15x56, which is the master race size (who doesn’t use a tripod these days?)

As usual y’all are talking another language.
I’m sitting alone in a strange town in a strange restaurant finishing my second glass of wine so I just needed something to reply to. Carry on optic tech wizards.
Edit. Bobo, if no one in the whole wide world makes a12x then give it up,,,, There must be a reason. You evidently are a real big deal but not big enough to make one just for you.

Ha, I’m not sure why no 12x unless they are scared to poach from their dedicated western type glassing line. With that said even the swaro El range glass doesn’t match Pure NL or even Gen2 EL’s from what I saw, but combo bino/range might be all some need to sacrifice glass some.
I might just roll with 15x Geovids

https://leicacamerausa.com/15-x-56-geovid-r-yards.html

Same page

Called Doug at Camerland a couple weeks ago and paid to get on the waiting list for the Sig Kilo10k....hope they show by mid October

That is the only option I’m aware of for 15x56. I’d be willing to sacrifice the fancy Bluetooth and dope from app for the glass. My only reservation is the beam size. I had older Geovids and the beam was pretty big. I think the new ones are much better. There are so many different models it’s hard to tell which is which.

Good friend is a guide in NM and rolls with them. Day in day out. They are heavy, I don’t think they changed the beam on these I think everything is original and the only changes where in the new HD &.com but I could be wrong

The newer HD have 56mm in the line so I bet a 12 or 15 should be coming

IMO, when a manufacturer puts together a bino/rf unit, it is meant to be carried all the time so you can make quick use of the rf feature. A 12x or 15x for that matter doesn't cut it for most full time use binos, as there is too much hand shake, bulk, etc. I use 10x on a tripod all the time and it is much better than handheld glassing. I can't prove it, but the market for regular 12-15x binos has to be very small anyway, as it is a specialized form of glassing.

If they could do ^^^^ this in a 10x I would be really happy. I will not go back from alpha glass just to get the RF-ing features. Swaro are you listening, take the new NL Pures 10 or 12x42s, add in Sig Ballistics and let me buy it.

Swaro EL Range wTA have Ballistic app and atmospheric.
Played with mine this past weekend while coyote hunting in New Mexico and they always matched Applied Ballistic app within a click or less.
Glass is just a pleasure to look thru. The Pures have a wider field of view but if they are better viewing than the newest EL my eyes are just not good enough to see it.

Looks great

I live off 11x on tripod or bipod. Market for 12-15x is a lot bigger then you think.

NL’s FOV that makes them so impressive to me. They minimize all the down sides to 12x.

How accurate was tracking assist?

Wanted to try the tracking assist but never took the time to do it. Might be mid December deer hunt before I get real opportunities

Look forward to the report

How do these Sig's compare to Lecia Geovid? Anything about the Lecia's make them worth the extra $600.00?

Different features. Lecia’s have better glass but new sig’s have the ability to translate a ranged objects to a way point in a map.

I'd trade that for clarity and sharpness of image. I read a review on the Sig's that stated the clarity was not so good. If it was as good as say, some Vortex Diamond Backs I had, that would be good enough clarity for me. All I'm after is the ability to ditch my range finder and have better than average clarity and sharpness of image.

They are better then the diamond backs but not the Vortex Razor UHD

So I bought the Sig KILO3000 BDX. $1200.00 at Scheels, couldn't find a better price anywhere and I had like $500 in gift cards. The next bump in price were the Leica's for about $500.00 more. All I need is good clarity and viewing out to about 600 yards. I'm glad to have one less piece of gear (hand held range finder, Leupold that will appear in the for sale page) and go from bino to rifle. I really believe going from bino's, to small hand held range finder, then to rifle may have cost me a good mule deer this past season. I'll give them a good look in the field here in a couple of weeks.

The wait will be over here shortly as the 10 K Sig’s that according to a previous post I made in this thread were ordered in September will arrive Friday.
Thank You Doug!

Sure anxious to get your take on those.

I should get to try them this weekend as I plan to use them in our local NRL/PRS matches Saturday /Sunday

Ditto and how well the base map Integration works. I can shoot further then my memory.

The Sig Kil10k arrived and I have played a little with it the last couple hours. I am proud to say I actually read the whole instruction manual which is definitely not normal for me. It’s cold outside and I had a good fire going and the wife is in Gruene shopping with her friends so seemed like the thing to do.

I will give a brief report now and another after some field use Saturday and Sunday.
There is already some review info from earlier this week on SH. Several folks who have looked thru the 10k said it has a Blue tinge in the color renditions you see while viewing. The book says one of the selling points are SpectraCoat anti- reflective coating for superior low -light performance and clarity ......Well all I can say if you like blue you will love them.
Best example I can give is looking at my natural cedar plank fence it almost looks like it’s been stained a pale Grey/bluish color. It doesn’t look bad just not true to color my eye see’s.

I loaded my data for the shoot Sunday which will be 6.5 Creedmoor and ranged out to 1131 yds which is as far as I can see around here and the data matches very close to my Ballistic app with slight differences because it was pulling local weather 35f and the binoculars were 68f because I wasn’t going to stand outside and let them acclimate.

It comes with a WeatherFlow Windmeter included but I haven’t paired it yet.

Just for BOBO I down loaded Base Map App so I could try that. I couldn’t get to work with the free download so I went back and it seems to use that feature you have to pay....so BOBO you owes me.... 34.99 to be exact.
I tell you what though it works and it works fast. I ranged 992 yds ...hit Mark and it gave me all my data instantly on my phone screen including dope for the shot. I was impressed with that feature as I still haven’t figured out how to do that on the Swaro TA’s. These seem very intuitive to me but maybe it’s because I have used the Sig3000’s quite a bit.

The ranging is fast the data slides in across the bottom quickly so no issues there. I put the Display on Auto and it seemed just right but I did go in a hit brightness settings and you can blind yourself if you want all the way down to dim.
I switched the circle to a Duplex cross hair for now. I will be using it off a tripod tomorrow as I know some have questions about where the beam is in relation to center which was an issue with the 3000 model.

Also it comes with a very nice Chest Harness in Multicam but no lense covers which I am fine with.

More to come

Nice!!! Could you stand behind glass all day glassing, and not get to fatigued?

I haven’t used basemap but I live on my onX maps.

I sent a buddy some Idaho waypoints today and I haven’t been up there in 5 years.

If you want brief and to the point I will give my opinion first.
Sig didn't hit a Home Run more like a ground rule double that bounced over the fence or maybe a triple at best. The Ballistic engine, the Base map inclusion with compass and the ability to quickly input wind and wind changes are very impressive. The glass however was a letdown for me. A big enough disappointment that I can't decide if i will hang on to them or not.
Keep in mind though that I AM comparing them to the absolute best Swaro TA that cost almost 2000.00 dollars more so I expected them to fall short but be better than the Sig3000 which I don't think they are.
I let a couple of folks get behind them and they all noticed the blue hue which for me made objects look a little darker and made detail tougher to see.
Example... I was looking on top of the far berm (250yds) at some old tree trucks against the bright blue sky. First I looked thru the Sig's looking to see if I could detect detail and at the edges for CA. Then I pulled out the Swaro's and immediately noticed two woodpecker holes that I hadn't even noticed thru the SIg's... once I got the Sigs back on the tripod I could make them out but not distinctly like the Swaro.

I mentioned in the post above that I switched the reticle to the floating crosshair they refer to a Duplex. Since this was a Rimfire shoot I had lots of tiny steel targets to range. That duplex on the Sig was dead nuts perfect and I did discover my Swaro which has a circle that the beam was low and right but still inside the circle.

If anyone has a specific question I will try to answer. I wanted these to be the answer but not sure they are quite good enough glass-wise to make me happy in spite of being the best RF/Ballistic bino's I have used by a wide margin.
The BAD news I had already committed to sell my Swaro's to a friend... The Good News I was one of the first to put a deposit on the New Lecia Geovid Pro's from Doug at Cameraland which by the way is where these Sig's came from.

Thanks for taking the time to post your observations. I find them very interesting. I've really like the RF functions on the two Sigs I've had/have....the 3000BDX and the 2200BDX. I wound up sending my 3000's back for a couple of reasons, but mainly I couldn't get along with the optics, as you described perfectly IMO. They are virtually identical to the Fury AB's, which I couldn't keep either for the same reason. Since the new units appear to be the same glass (read it now from a couple of different guys) I'll probably have to pass. I mainly hunt with mine, so glassing with them is very important to me. I may try those Geovid Pro's as well.

I took one picture while ranging a target with my old IPhone.
That will give An idea of what it looks like when ranging.

Saw another review or two and they mirror your's exactly DStroud. I can't understand why a $2000 Chinese built unit can't have any better glass than that. Doesn't make any sense to me at all.

Welp, guess Im stuck with hand held Sig and 11x Maven for a little longer

Thanks Dstroud, Very sound review

That's a disappointment...I really like my 3000's and was hoping this was the next set. Thanks DS.