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Electric wire question for Electricians #8371387 09/01/21 05:01 PM
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Do I need conduit?

I'm going to run aluminum URD 4/0 cable to provide power to my shop from a pedestal transformer. Although this is direct burial wire, do I need to encase it in conduit due to fireants?

Thanks.

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If it’s direct burial no.

Fire ants will only get to it if it’s cut.

I personally would never run direct burial aluminum though. We’ll direct burial at all.

Re: Electric wire question for Electricians [Re: BearkatHunter2011] #8371407 09/01/21 05:16 PM
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Ran dirrect burial from my parents house to the smoke hose in the back yard about 25 years ago. No problems yet, it was coper wire though. Also ran some of the same stuff to a pole barn at the ranch, same no issues with it as well.


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I would be more worried about gophers. They may not be a problem where you live, but in East Texas, they love to chew on electric wires.

Re: Electric wire question for Electricians [Re: ducknbass] #8371496 09/01/21 06:29 PM
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Originally Posted by BearkatHunter2011
Do I need conduit?

I'm going to run aluminum URD 4/0 cable to provide power to my shop from a pedestal transformer. Although this is direct burial wire, do I need to encase it in conduit due to fireants?

Thanks.


No. Is it going to be near any other lines? Water lines? Gas lines?

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If it’s direct burial no.

Fire ants will only get to it if it’s cut.

I personally would never run direct burial aluminum though. We’ll direct burial at all.


I wouldn’t run direct burial anything moving over 20amps, that’s just me. You have to go a lot deeper if you’re running direct burial service wire.

The aluminum is fine, and a better conductor than copper for what you’re running, also a lot cheaper.

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Originally Posted by BearkatHunter2011
Do I need conduit?

I'm going to run aluminum URD 4/0 cable to provide power to my shop from a pedestal transformer. Although this is direct burial wire, do I need to encase it in conduit due to fireants?

Thanks.



What dunknbass said. Answer is no, just bury it deep and would run copper vs aluminum.

I DO recommend only using PVC Conduit where the cable comes out on each end, to protect it from lawnmowers & weed eaters.

Re: Electric wire question for Electricians [Re: BearkatHunter2011] #8371501 09/01/21 06:31 PM
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Interesting, Ive never heard of aluminum referred to as a better conductor than copper or really better than anything electric related.


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I would put in conduit

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If the pedestal transformer is from the power company they will require conduit unless the meter is at the pedestal.

Re: Electric wire question for Electricians [Re: BearkatHunter2011] #8371604 09/01/21 08:21 PM
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Yes, the meter is at the pedestal.

No gophers in our neck of the woods. I'm guessing because of the heavy black clay.

I was at least going to put the last 10 feet of each end in conduit with 90's up to the meter box on one end and the breaker box in the barn.

No other water lines or gas lines in the vicinity. This is out in the county. Connecting a meter on a pedestal (near my light pole and existing transformer) and running 300 feet to a barn that will soon be getting a concrete floor and turned into a shop for FFA projects.

I agree that I would prefer copper but WOW it is high right now.

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I would put it in conduit. If it ever messes up it's a whole lot easier to pull wire than dig a ditch.

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Originally Posted by BearkatHunter2011
Yes, the meter is at the pedestal.

No gophers in our neck of the woods. I'm guessing because of the heavy black clay.

I was at least going to put the last 10 feet of each end in conduit with 90's up to the meter box on one end and the breaker box in the barn.

No other water lines or gas lines in the vicinity. This is out in the county. Connecting a meter on a pedestal (near my light pole and existing transformer) and running 300 feet to a barn that will soon be getting a concrete floor and turned into a shop for FFA projects.

I agree that I would prefer copper but WOW it is high right now.


Copper has been high. I ran aluminum last year, bought 150 feet of it for $1,050 vs copper being $2,995 and had to buy 200 feet so I would’ve been stuck with lots of expensive waste.

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I would put it in conduit. If it ever messes up it's a whole lot easier to pull wire than dig a ditch.

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I just repaired an underground feeder (UF 12-2) out to my bunkhouse. We had our placed cleared around the house and he cut the line. All my fault as I didn't know exactly where it was buried. But the building is powered off a live plug and has a dedicated panel. But the UF cable is only covered in conduit on both ends and about a couple feet in the ground. The rest of the cable is direct burial.

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If it was mine I would run it in conduit.


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Originally Posted by redchevy
Interesting, Ive never heard of aluminum referred to as a better conductor than copper or really better than anything electric related.

me neither. why would the nec require bigger Al wire for the same ampacity of Cu? i ran # 2 direct burial to a shop/apartment. its on a 125 amp breaker and feeds a 200 amp panel with a 70 amp sub panel for the shop. 6 yrs old, no problems. It is what farmers electric coop told me to do in conjunction with the electrician i used.

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Re: Electric wire question for Electricians [Re: BearkatHunter2011] #8372082 09/02/21 03:10 AM
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I agree with most here, run it in conduit. Aluminum is good.
How long of a run are you doing?


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Originally Posted by redchevy
Interesting, Ive never heard of aluminum referred to as a better conductor than copper or really better than anything electric related.



Because it’s not. roflmao

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Originally Posted by redchevy
Interesting, Ive never heard of aluminum referred to as a better conductor than copper or really better than anything electric related.


Maybe conductor wasn’t the wording I was going for. Aluminum for service cable can be just as good as copper, although you’ll have to step up in size some, but it’s lighter and easier to work with being it flexes easier than copper. We had some right turns when going from house to shop, copper would’ve never made those turns.

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Originally Posted by BigPig
Originally Posted by redchevy
Interesting, Ive never heard of aluminum referred to as a better conductor than copper or really better than anything electric related.


Maybe conductor wasn’t the wording I was going for. Aluminum for service cable can be just as good as copper, although you’ll have to step up in size some, but it’s lighter and easier to work with being it flexes easier than copper. We had some right turns when going from house to shop, copper would’ve never made those turns.


I read through your statement of aluminum being a better conductor and I pretty much figured out what you meant, so I left it alone.
But pulling aluminum or copper through a conduit that is installed by code (max 360 degree of bends, minimum radius, etc) it makes no difference, they both will pull. Truth be known that the normal insulation on copper, THHN, is much slicker and will pull easier than aluminum. Weight and cost is about the only disadvantage of copper.


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Steve McQueen is one copper that made right turns plenty in Bullitt...

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PVC conduit is pretty inexpensive And adds a layer of protection to your line. Everything I put in the ground here is in conduit.

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