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 Anyone ever use a muzzle guide?
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Someone asked earlier the best way to clean the barrel in their 30-30. While cleaning from the breech using a bore guide has traditionally been the "best" approach, it was only recently that I learned of muzzle guides that are designed to protect the crown of a rifle when cleaning from the muzzle. Of course this eliminates the need to remove the bolt in order to use a cleaning rod on a lever action. Anyone have experience with them? TIA J. Dewey Muzzle Guides
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Re: Anyone ever use a muzzle guide?
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Someone asked earlier the best way to clean the barrel in their 30-30. While cleaning from the breech using a bore guide has traditionally been the "best" approach, it was only recently that I learned of muzzle guides that are designed to protect the crown of a rifle when cleaning from the muzzle. Of course this eliminates the need to remove the bolt in order to use a cleaning rod on a lever action. Anyone have experience with them? TIA J. Dewey Muzzle GuidesSo then the solvents, powder fouling.... goes into your chamber and action when you push it through.
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Re: Anyone ever use a muzzle guide?
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08/16/21 11:47 PM
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So then the solvents, powder fouling.... goes into your chamber and action when you push it through.
Agreed, some type of precaution would need to be taken to catch whatever comes out of the breech.
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Re: Anyone ever use a muzzle guide?
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08/18/21 01:56 PM
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As pointed out by previous responses...cleaning from the muzzle will push all of the powder contaminants into the breech of the gun...which will complicate the cleaning process...not a good thing. (sometimes the invention of a "better mousetrap" is actually not a good idea).
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As pointed out by previous responses...cleaning from the muzzle will push all of the powder contaminants into the breech of the gun...which will complicate the cleaning process...not a good thing. (sometimes the invention of a "better mousetrap" is actually not a good idea). I agree, action must be taken to ensure whatever comes out of the breech on that first pass doesn't end up inside the chamber and receiver. Still, it's much easier to remove the bolt from some lever actions than it is with others. While it's rather easy with my Marlin and Henry, it's a bit of a chore to do with my Winchesters. You pretty much have to pull the guts out of them.
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Re: Anyone ever use a muzzle guide?
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It's not the best solution, but if I were going to clean a lever rifle from the muzzle end, I'd set it in the vise so that the open ejection port was pointed down. That way gravity will at least help keep some or most of the gunk out of the action.
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Re: Anyone ever use a muzzle guide?
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I'll pass
I do like Dewey rods though.
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Im far from the smartest guy in the room, and im not a bench rest shooter and Im not a seasoned long range shooter either.
Daily, mountains are made of mole hills. For the first 10 or so years of my shooting life I cleaned my rifles the way my dad showed me. From the muzzle end with a segmented metal cleaning rod using Hopes No. 9 and a wire brush and patches, no bore guide etc. I have moved a good ways from these techniques of my upbringing, but as of now have still not discovered where it created an issue with the action, trigger, bolt, or crown of any of the rifles that I cleaned for a decade or my father cleaned for several(all bolt guns).
Not advertising it as a good practice at all, just is what it is.
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Re: Anyone ever use a muzzle guide?
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08/18/21 07:15 PM
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I don't use them on my bolt rifles but Boresnakes work pretty well on lever actions. You can drop them in the chamber and pull them to the muzzle.
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I don't use them on my bolt rifles but Boresnakes work pretty well on lever actions. You can drop them in the chamber and pull them to the muzzle.
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Re: Anyone ever use a muzzle guide?
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Im far from the smartest guy in the room, and im not a bench rest shooter and Im not a seasoned long range shooter either.
Daily, mountains are made of mole hills. For the first 10 or so years of my shooting life I cleaned my rifles the way my dad showed me. From the muzzle end with a segmented metal cleaning rod using Hopes No. 9 and a wire brush and patches, no bore guide etc. I have moved a good ways from these techniques of my upbringing, but as of now have still not discovered where it created an issue with the action, trigger, bolt, or crown of any of the rifles that I cleaned for a decade or my father cleaned for several(all bolt guns).
Not advertising it as a good practice at all, just is what it is. Same way I was taught as a kid. I had no idea what a bore guide was, even if they did exist back then. Never had a problem killing a deer, then again I wasn’t shooting them at 300 yds and I had no knowledge of long range shooting. Having said that, I have one lever action rifle, takes a minute, tops, to pull the bolt so you can clean from the breech.
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I don't use them on my bolt rifles but Boresnakes work pretty well on lever actions. You can drop them in the chamber and pull them to the muzzle. This here seems like the best solution to clean the rifles in which removal of the bolt is problematic...great idea!!!
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08/19/21 07:43 PM
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Re: Anyone ever use a muzzle guide?
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08/19/21 08:07 PM
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Snake or Otis cleaning system
lf the saying "Liar, Liar your pants on fire" were true
Mainstream news might be fun to watch
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Re: Anyone ever use a muzzle guide?
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08/19/21 08:23 PM
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If you have a Marlin 336 the bolt can be removed from the rifle and then you can clean from the breech. I have seen this done years ago and don't remember the exact procedure.
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If you have a Marlin 336 the bolt can be removed from the rifle and then you can clean from the breech. I have seen this done years ago and don't remember the exact procedure. Yes, it only requires removing one screw that's needed to remove the lever before sliding the bolt out the back of the receiver. Henry's are very much the same.
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Re: Anyone ever use a muzzle guide?
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08/19/21 09:49 PM
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A piece of nylon twine of appropriate length with a couple of
properly sized split shot sinkers will make a pull through
that will pull a couple of dry patches through the chamber
end and out the muzzle. Most everybody I personally know
already have that, so the cost is essentially nothing.
That's pretty much the degree of bore cleaning that the
average deer rifle needs unless you've been out and about
in a monsoon. That, and wiping down the exterior with a
rag and your favorite magic potion
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08/22/21 09:43 PM
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Im far from the smartest guy in the room, and im not a bench rest shooter and Im not a seasoned long range shooter either.
Daily, mountains are made of mole hills. For the first 10 or so years of my shooting life I cleaned my rifles the way my dad showed me. From the muzzle end with a segmented metal cleaning rod using Hopes No. 9 and a wire brush and patches, no bore guide etc. I have moved a good ways from these techniques of my upbringing, but as of now have still not discovered where it created an issue with the action, trigger, bolt, or crown of any of the rifles that I cleaned for a decade or my father cleaned for several(all bolt guns).
Not advertising it as a good practice at all, just is what it is. This is how I was taught, but we used a coat hanger. I cleaned all our rifles with a coat hanger from my stepdad’s favorite .22-250 to my Daisy 880 pellet gun. I have moved a long way from that, too, though.
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Re: Anyone ever use a muzzle guide?
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Snake or Otis cleaning system I use Otis. I stopped using rods a few years ago.
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