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Re: Rangers [Re: cbump] #8332183 07/26/21 09:40 PM
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Who all will be traded? There are only a couple that have any real trade value. I'm sure that Joey Gallo will be gone.


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Originally Posted by MikeC
Who all will be traded? There are only a couple that have any real trade value. I'm sure that Joey Gallo will be gone.


They'll trade Gallo and Gibson and possibly Kennedy. They have market value. Maybe one of the catchers if someone is desperate for it. If they DON'T trade them JD better put those first two under multi-year contracts.


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Originally Posted by dkershen
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Who all will be traded? There are only a couple that have any real trade value. I'm sure that Joey Gallo will be gone.


They'll trade Gallo and Gibson and possibly Kennedy. They have market value. Maybe one of the catchers if someone is desperate for it. If they DON'T trade them JD better put those first two under multi-year contracts.

Gallo is fool's gold, looks good until he goes on 1 for 20 streaks at different intervals throughout season. With him you can count on 30-40 HRs, 40%+ strikeouts, tons of groundouts/lineouts into shift, solid rightfield play and about .200 hitting with runners in scoring position. If they don't change shift rules you'll have a career .215 hitter or worse.

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I have not seen one pitch. I usually watch the Rangers if nothing is on.
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Originally Posted by DQ Kid
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Who all will be traded? There are only a couple that have any real trade value. I'm sure that Joey Gallo will be gone.


They'll trade Gallo and Gibson and possibly Kennedy. They have market value. Maybe one of the catchers if someone is desperate for it. If they DON'T trade them JD better put those first two under multi-year contracts.

Gallo is fool's gold, looks good until he goes on 1 for 20 streaks at different intervals throughout season. With him you can count on 30-40 HRs, 40%+ strikeouts, tons of groundouts/lineouts into shift, solid rightfield play and about .200 hitting with runners in scoring position. If they don't change shift rules you'll have a career .215 hitter or worse.

I personally think the shift is the worst thing about baseball now days. I think a position player should have to stay in a reasonable distance to his position. If they want to over shift they should have to wait till the pitcher starts the pitch to move to shift position kinda like a 1st baseman when he comes off the bag while holding a runner on.

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Originally Posted by DQ Kid
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Who all will be traded? There are only a couple that have any real trade value. I'm sure that Joey Gallo will be gone.


They'll trade Gallo and Gibson and possibly Kennedy. They have market value. Maybe one of the catchers if someone is desperate for it. If they DON'T trade them JD better put those first two under multi-year contracts.

Gallo is fool's gold, looks good until he goes on 1 for 20 streaks at different intervals throughout season. With him you can count on 30-40 HRs, 40%+ strikeouts, tons of groundouts/lineouts into shift, solid rightfield play and about .200 hitting with runners in scoring position. If they don't change shift rules you'll have a career .215 hitter or worse.


Yeah, but he hits 450’ bombs. That’s good for ticket sales, I guess.

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Man I didn’t realize the hate for the shift until recently. I’m on another forum and a lot of people hate It there too. I personally don’t understand It. If you got to the bigs and can’t hit opposite field then that’s on you. Dead pull hitters that get paid for power and strikeouts don't get held against them are subject to an effective shift. Until ownership stops bringing up hitters that are dead pull hitters and strike out on average once a game this wont change. Stopping the shift will make the pitchers throw outside pitches for strikes and the hitter will have to prove they can hit it without rolling over on it for an infield ground ball. Back in the day a good hitter would get off of the plate, move up in the batters box, choke up on the bat and shoot an inside pitch the other way and head down to first base. That’s gone.
The shift is smart baseball.

Why the dislike for It?

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Originally Posted by cbump
Man I didn’t realize the hate for the shift until recently. I’m on another forum and a lot of people hate It there too. I personally don’t understand It. If you got to the bigs and can’t hit opposite field then that’s on you. Dead pull hitters that get paid for power and strikeouts don't get held against them are subject to an effective shift. Until ownership stops bringing up hitters that are dead pull hitters and strike out on average once a game this wont change. Stopping the shift will make the pitchers throw outside pitches for strikes and the hitter will have to prove they can hit it without rolling over on it for an infield ground ball. Back in the day a good hitter would get off of the plate, move up in the batters box, choke up on the bat and shoot an inside pitch the other way and head down to first base. That’s gone.
The shift is smart baseball.

Why the dislike for It?


I don’t get it either. Sounds like smart baseball, to me.

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Originally Posted by cbump
Man I didn’t realize the hate for the shift until recently. I’m on another forum and a lot of people hate It there too. I personally don’t understand It. If you got to the bigs and can’t hit opposite field then that’s on you. Dead pull hitters that get paid for power and strikeouts don't get held against them are subject to an effective shift. Until ownership stops bringing up hitters that are dead pull hitters and strike out on average once a game this wont change. Stopping the shift will make the pitchers throw outside pitches for strikes and the hitter will have to prove they can hit it without rolling over on it for an infield ground ball. Back in the day a good hitter would get off of the plate, move up in the batters box, choke up on the bat and shoot an inside pitch the other way and head down to first base. That’s gone.
The shift is smart baseball.

Why the dislike for It?

Who hates it, I was simply saying if it doesn't get changed, Gallo will never be above a career .215 hitter. I'm stating your case, the guy is not a complete hitter. The days if Rod Carew, Tony Gwynn and Wade Boggs are gone.

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Originally Posted by DQ Kid
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Man I didn’t realize the hate for the shift until recently. I’m on another forum and a lot of people hate It there too. I personally don’t understand It. If you got to the bigs and can’t hit opposite field then that’s on you. Dead pull hitters that get paid for power and strikeouts don't get held against them are subject to an effective shift. Until ownership stops bringing up hitters that are dead pull hitters and strike out on average once a game this wont change. Stopping the shift will make the pitchers throw outside pitches for strikes and the hitter will have to prove they can hit it without rolling over on it for an infield ground ball. Back in the day a good hitter would get off of the plate, move up in the batters box, choke up on the bat and shoot an inside pitch the other way and head down to first base. That’s gone.
The shift is smart baseball.

Why the dislike for It?

Who hates it, I was simply saying if it doesn't get changed, Gallo will never be above a career .215 hitter. I'm stating your case, the guy is not a complete hitter. The days if Rod Carew, Tony Gwynn and Wade Boggs are gone.


I think you missed a post.

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Ted Williams was a dead pull hitter. If they did the shift back then I guarantee he would have never hit .400 and prob would have been around .275-.300 and we would be calling him one of the greatest hitters of all time.

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Originally Posted by SapperTitan
Ted Williams was a dead pull hitter. If they did the shift back then I guarantee he would have never hit .400 and prob would have been around .275-.300 and we would be calling him one of the greatest hitters of all time.


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Ted Williams was a dead pull hitter. If they did the shift back then I guarantee he would have never hit .400 and prob would have been around .275-.300 and we would be calling him one of the greatest hitters of all time.


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Were they as extensive as the shifts today? 3rd baseman basically playing short right field?

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Maybe the Rangers get a win today against the D-backs.

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As long as they are only playing 9 players, I see nothing wrong with shifting redeye dead pull hitters; learn how to adapt....

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Originally Posted by Texasteach
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Ted Williams was a dead pull hitter. If they did the shift back then I guarantee he would have never hit .400 and prob would have been around .275-.300 and we would be calling him one of the greatest hitters of all time.


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Williams batted .200 in the WS against the shift. All the teams didn’t shift against him only a few.
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Sounds like Dyer was smart.

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When the Rangers were good, they would typically overpay for rental players (Ryan Dempster, Adam Eaton and Akinori Otsuka). In recent years when they've traded players to good teams, they've gotten little in return. Trades for Darvish, Mike Minor, Lance Lynn, Cole Hamels didn't result in equal returns. And then top prospects and young players that didn't pan out killed the core of the team.

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Originally Posted by Gringo Bling
When the Rangers were good, they would typically overpay for rental players (Ryan Dempster, Adam Eaton and Akinori Otsuka). In recent years when they've traded players to good teams, they've gotten little in return. Trades for Darvish, Mike Minor, Lance Lynn, Cole Hamels didn't result in equal returns. And then top prospects and young players that didn't pan out killed the core of the team.

When those pitchers mentioned were traded, they didn’t have good records, so hence the poor trade results.



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I have to temper all my out loud hate for JD and the ownership as my SIL works for him directly, as a rule I don't ask her feelings on him and management.

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Sorry to say, going to have to root against wins for the Rangers now.
Gallo will be gone (and should) and soon enough so will JD.

Number one picks, a couple years to rebuild, and the little Rangers will be doing much better.

All teams go through this but it's tough right now.


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Daniels has been absolutely terrible in many of his evaluations and decisions, but he is no longer the general manager. The ownership group might be worse than Tom Hicks. They like to be out of sight, but they have not provided any sort of capital infusion to make this team better. Dallas Fort Worth is the fourth largest metropolitan area in the country, they still act like Tampa or KC (oh wait, those teams have pennants in the last 5 years).

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