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 Re: Who knows their snakes...........?
[Re: Ringtail]
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04/27/21 03:17 AM
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Dang, someone beat me to buttermilk racer! You have them in your area too. Not right in the DCNF but around open field edges out there. You have more diversity in snake species than I do here....even though we are only 50 miles apart. My property is more Mesic Upland.
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Re: Who knows their snakes...........?
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04/27/21 01:52 PM
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Really cool find. I'd love to find one and have a photo session.
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Re: Who knows their snakes...........?
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04/27/21 01:57 PM
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Really cool find. I'd love to find one and have a photo session. Good luck getting it to be still. Video yes, still photos...probably not unless brief and in defensive posture. They are not very accommodating. You could get a picture while they were still 'attached' to you if you are willing to do that. But otherwise....they are usually doing one of two things. 1. Trying to bite you. 2. Trying to escape.
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Re: Who knows their snakes...........?
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04/27/21 01:57 PM
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Re: Who knows their snakes...........?
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04/27/21 02:51 PM
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That one is definitely a speckled racer Just for the record....the speckled racer is a threatened species in Texas and can not be possessed, handled, killed, etc.... So important to know the difference when you are handling snakes. The speckled is easily distinguished from the Buttermilk Racer however. It has a very uniform pattern.
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Re: Who knows their snakes...........?
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04/27/21 03:01 PM
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Really cool find. I'd love to find one and have a photo session. Good luck getting it to be still. Video yes, still photos...probably not unless brief and in defensive posture. They are not very accommodating. You could get a picture while they were still 'attached' to you if you are willing to do that. But otherwise....they are usually doing one of two things. 1. Trying to bite you. 2. Trying to escape. Believe me, I know. It helps if you can have a second set of hands. Like with this black racer. It just got done biting my son, and was then trying to escape. What you can't see is that my son still has ahold of it, otherwise it would be gone in a flash. ![[Linked Image]](https://i.imgur.com/GZ6xgFl.jpg)
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Re: Who knows their snakes...........?
[Re: Triplesnake]
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04/27/21 03:14 PM
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Really cool find. I'd love to find one and have a photo session. Good luck getting it to be still. Video yes, still photos...probably not unless brief and in defensive posture. They are not very accommodating. You could get a picture while they were still 'attached' to you if you are willing to do that. But otherwise....they are usually doing one of two things. 1. Trying to bite you. 2. Trying to escape. Believe me, I know. It helps if you can have a second set of hands. Like with this black racer. It just got done biting my son, and was then trying to escape. What you can't see is that my son still has ahold of it, otherwise it would be gone in a flash. That is a great photograph. So representative of the snake. Racers commonly raise their heads up to look around before moving. So alert and intelligent looking. Those big, forward facing eyes are captivating. They are 'sight' hunters and well adapted for it. Thanks for sharing.
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Re: Who knows their snakes...........?
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04/27/21 03:15 PM
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Coluber constrictor anthicus Guys,I have never seen one of those so I had to give flintnappers photos a closer look.So I cheated and had to call on Google for help.So beat me if you want but I think we all learn a little more with these sessions,at least I know I do.
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Re: Who knows their snakes...........?
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04/27/21 03:27 PM
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We have three species of Racers in my general area.
1. Black racer (typically the longest of the three I've found).
2. Blue racer (less common but in good numbers).
3. Buttermilk racer (much less common, prefer a very specific habitat).
All are fast, some can grow to nearly 6', all of them bite, so just expect that.
Not to labor the point....but for those who don't know: Two Texas reptiles pretty much guaranteed to bite are Racers and Broad Headed Skinks.
Spartans ask not...how many, but where!
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Re: Who knows their snakes...........?
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04/27/21 03:55 PM
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We have three species of Racers in my general area.
1. Black racer (typically the longest of the three I've found).
2. Blue racer (less common but in good numbers).
3. Buttermilk racer (much less common, prefer a very specific habitat).
All are fast, some can grow to nearly 6', all of them bite, so just expect that.
Not to labor the point....but for those who don't know: Two Texas reptiles pretty much guaranteed to bite are Racers and Broad Headed Skinks. Don't forget water snakes. Those are some grumpy SOB's
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Re: Who knows their snakes...........?
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04/27/21 10:12 PM
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We have three species of Racers in my general area.
1. Black racer (typically the longest of the three I've found).
2. Blue racer (less common but in good numbers).
3. Buttermilk racer (much less common, prefer a very specific habitat).
All are fast, some can grow to nearly 6', all of them bite, so just expect that.
Not to labor the point....but for those who don't know: Two Texas reptiles pretty much guaranteed to bite are Racers and Broad Headed Skinks. Don't forget water snakes. Those are some grumpy SOB's You can say that again. Diamondback Water snakes and Banded Water Snakes for sure. And they have some teeth to work with. Racers....not so much.
Spartans ask not...how many, but where!
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Re: Who knows their snakes...........?
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04/27/21 10:13 PM
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We have a Winner!
Coluber constrictor anthicus Guys,I have never seen one of those so I had to give flintnappers photos a closer look.So I cheated and had to call on Google for help.So beat me if you want but I think we all learn a little more with these sessions,at least I know I do. That's not 'cheating'. That is using your resources. Nothing wrong with that.
Spartans ask not...how many, but where!
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Re: Who knows their snakes...........?
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04/27/21 11:06 PM
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Dang, someone beat me to buttermilk racer! You have them in your area too. Not right in the DCNF but around open field edges out there. You have more diversity in snake species than I do here....even though we are only 50 miles apart. My property is more Mesic Upland. I would really like to see one up close and handle it. I had a couple of large speckled kings I had caught in Inez when I used to have snakes but they have a much different yellow and black coloration than these beautiful racers.
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Re: Who knows their snakes...........?
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04/28/21 12:01 AM
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Dang, someone beat me to buttermilk racer! You have them in your area too. Not right in the DCNF but around open field edges out there. You have more diversity in snake species than I do here....even though we are only 50 miles apart. My property is more Mesic Upland. I would really like to see one up close and handle it. I had a couple of large speckled kings I had caught in Inez when I used to have snakes but they have a much different yellow and black coloration than these beautiful racers. What is intriguing to me is the vast variation in the flecks/speckles that is possible. Background colors tend to be dark blueish-gray but can be black, blue, deep green. Pretty neat snakes. If you just google Buttermilk Racer you'll see pics that are incredible. Can't link it here....but worth looking at.
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Re: Who knows their snakes...........?
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04/28/21 12:11 AM
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Re: Who knows their snakes...........?
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04/28/21 12:46 AM
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We have three species of Racers in my general area.
1. Black racer (typically the longest of the three I've found).
2. Blue racer (less common but in good numbers).
3. Buttermilk racer (much less common, prefer a very specific habitat).
All are fast, some can grow to nearly 6', all of them bite, so just expect that.
Not to labor the point....but for those who don't know: Two Texas reptiles pretty much guaranteed to bite are Racers and Broad Headed Skinks. Don't forget water snakes. Those are some grumpy SOB's You can say that again. Diamondback Water snakes and Banded Water Snakes for sure. And they have some teeth to work with. Racers....not so much. Diamondback Water Snakes are a holes. There's no other way to put it.
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Re: Who knows their snakes...........?
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04/28/21 02:13 AM
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We have three species of Racers in my general area.
1. Black racer (typically the longest of the three I've found).
2. Blue racer (less common but in good numbers).
3. Buttermilk racer (much less common, prefer a very specific habitat).
All are fast, some can grow to nearly 6', all of them bite, so just expect that.
Not to labor the point....but for those who don't know: Two Texas reptiles pretty much guaranteed to bite are Racers and Broad Headed Skinks. Don't forget water snakes. Those are some grumpy SOB's You can say that again. Diamondback Water snakes and Banded Water Snakes for sure. And they have some teeth to work with. Racers....not so much. Diamondback Water Snakes are a holes. There's no other way to put it. Yeah, but they can back it up. They can get really big with age and good habitat. WAY....bigger than moccasins that they are so often mistaken for.
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Re: Who knows their snakes...........?
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04/28/21 02:22 AM
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Awesome post, thanks for sharing
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Re: Who knows their snakes...........?
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04/28/21 12:49 PM
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Had a green racer for a pet back in high school that I captured on/near Toledo Bend. That sucker was an escape artist! 
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Re: Who knows their snakes...........?
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04/29/21 02:39 AM
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Had a green racer for a pet back in high school that I captured on/near Toledo Bend. That sucker was an escape artist! They are stronger than they look and will push the lid off of a terrarium if not latched down. Basically, if they can get their head through something....the rest of their body can follow....so they don't need much of an opening to get away.
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Re: Who knows their snakes...........?
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04/29/21 07:49 AM
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Had a green racer for a pet back in high school that I captured on/near Toledo Bend. That sucker was an escape artist! They are stronger than they look and will push the lid off of a terrarium if not latched down. Basically, if they can get their head through something....the rest of their body can follow....so they don't need much of an opening to get away. I can testify. One time it took me a couple of hours to find him. Catching him was a whole 'nother story.
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Re: Who knows their snakes...........?
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thanks for sharing, never heard of one
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Re: Who knows their snakes...........?
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04/29/21 03:37 PM
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thanks for sharing, never heard of one Most have not. Fairly rare snake (with respect to distribution).
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