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Re: THF Gardening Thread
[Re: Payne]
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04/22/21 02:42 AM
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Bullfrog
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Oh well, I ain’t changing again
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Re: THF Gardening Thread
[Re: Payne]
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04/22/21 03:09 AM
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Derek
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Sulfur is a Ph adjuster. High Ph you go Ammonium Sulfate(nitrogen and sulfur) based Nitrogen. Sulfur is pretty slow to work and the buffer amount needed is typically crazy. You're better off using citric acid to move the needle. The potted plant route it's not really not that big of a deal. Potting soil with peat mix in and your're typically under a 7 soil Ph. Easy nutrient uptake by the roots. Over 7 and stuff starts to get bound up and not available, so you need to go more foliar apps. Depending on what your tap water Ph is, which should be close to 7 you can add a pinch of CA per gal when hand watering, And I mean a pinch! Will drop your water Ph from a 7 to a 5. This is why Azaleas look awesome at The Masters and look horrible in NTX. Soil Ph. But yet every Nursery in NTX has S tons of Azaleas. They do great for a couple years then decline. By the time they fail the homeowner forgot why they bought them. Sorry. I got sidetracked on a rant. Ph baby!
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Re: THF Gardening Thread
[Re: Payne]
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04/22/21 03:14 AM
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Bullfrog
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Is it too late to be planting bulbs?
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Re: THF Gardening Thread
[Re: Bullfrog]
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04/22/21 03:16 AM
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Derek
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Was looking for root size of habs and then read they like sandy conditions. I’m like . . . Habs DGAF. If you or anyone #Payne screw up growing a Hab. I won't be happy.
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Re: THF Gardening Thread
[Re: Derek]
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04/22/21 03:44 AM
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Payne
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Sulfur is a Ph adjuster. High Ph you go Ammonium Sulfate(nitrogen and sulfur) based Nitrogen. Sulfur is pretty slow to work and the buffer amount needed is typically crazy. You're better off using citric acid to move the needle. The potted plant route it's not really not that big of a deal. Potting soil with peat mix in and your're typically under a 7 soil Ph. Easy nutrient uptake by the roots. Over 7 and stuff starts to get bound up and not available, so you need to go more foliar apps. Depending on what your tap water Ph is, which should be close to 7 you can add a pinch of CA per gal when hand watering, And I mean a pinch! Will drop your water Ph from a 7 to a 5. This is why Azaleas look awesome at The Masters and look horrible in NTX. Soil Ph. But yet every Nursery in NTX has S tons of Azaleas. They do great for a couple years then decline. By the time they fail the homeowner forgot why they bought them. Sorry. I got sidetracked on a rant. Ph baby! I'm not reading that until you start spacing correctly I read i should throw some matches around the hab's hole
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Re: THF Gardening Thread
[Re: Derek]
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04/22/21 11:29 AM
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skinnerback
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How big is the root system on these? It's extensive. They will easily send roots through the drain holes into the native soil. My pots are 14x14. Not sure the math on that but it's like a 4 gallon pot. Don't waste space. Fill the potting mix all the way to the top. Roots will be fine if you want to dig them up and transplant. I'm a hard core root pruner trans planter. I start in 4" round pots and have tons of circling roots. I aggressively break those up, a lot get broken off. No biggie they'll be fine. I actually do that with all transplants, vegetables, flowers and or shrubs, whatever. Most plants are not root prune sensitive, they will absorb NPK pretty quickly and form new ones. If you transplant and chop some root you can give them a foliar boost of 4oz of DEF (diesel exhaust fluid) teaspoon of blackstrap molasses mixed in a gallon of water and spray them down every other week and rock on. Plants and grass uptake foliar apps very quickly. Within a few hours. You can bypass crap soil that way. Your planting mix it on point, so the occasional foliar feeding will be fine, if any. Peppers are forgiving. You'll be fine. Wait, what? You spray DEF on plants to fertilize?? Educate me.
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Re: THF Gardening Thread
[Re: Payne]
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04/22/21 11:59 AM
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Skinnerback is south of me. It is great that we have no frost.
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Re: THF Gardening Thread
[Re: Payne]
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04/22/21 01:14 PM
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Derek
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Sulfur is a Ph adjuster. High Ph you go Ammonium Sulfate(nitrogen and sulfur) based Nitrogen. Sulfur is pretty slow to work and the buffer amount needed is typically crazy. You're better off using citric acid to move the needle. The potted plant route it's not really not that big of a deal. Potting soil with peat mix in and your're typically under a 7 soil Ph. Easy nutrient uptake by the roots. Over 7 and stuff starts to get bound up and not available, so you need to go more foliar apps. Depending on what your tap water Ph is, which should be close to 7 you can add a pinch of CA per gal when hand watering, And I mean a pinch! Will drop your water Ph from a 7 to a 5. This is why Azaleas look awesome at The Masters and look horrible in NTX. Soil Ph. But yet every Nursery in NTX has S tons of Azaleas. They do great for a couple years then decline. By the time they fail the homeowner forgot why they bought them. Sorry. I got sidetracked on a rant. Ph baby! I'm not reading that until you start spacing correctly I read i should throw some matches around the hab's hole Matches work great. Key is to strike them just prior to putting them next to your plants.
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Re: THF Gardening Thread
[Re: skinnerback]
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04/22/21 01:30 PM
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Wait, what? You spray DEF on plants to fertilize?? Educate me. DEF is pretty much the purest form of Urea(Nitrogen) you can buy. DEF is nothing but Urea and water. In a fertilizer ratio it's 15-0-0. 10oz of DEF mixed in a gallon of water equals 0.1#'s of nitrogen. Lat year I sprayed DEF at the equivalent of 1/4# of nitrogen on my grass every two weeks and the results were great.
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Re: THF Gardening Thread
[Re: Payne]
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04/22/21 01:38 PM
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Well . . . . . THAT ain’t weird or nuthin. If I ever need to disappear anyone, I know who to call
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Re: THF Gardening Thread
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04/22/21 01:44 PM
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skinnerback
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Wait, what? You spray DEF on plants to fertilize?? Educate me. DEF is pretty much the purest form of Urea(Nitrogen) you can buy. DEF is nothing but Urea and water. In a fertilizer ratio it's 15-0-0. 10oz of DEF mixed in a gallon of water equals 0.1#'s of nitrogen. Lat year I sprayed DEF at the equivalent of 1/4# of nitrogen on my grass every two weeks and the results were great. Interesting. Wondering if I should spray my tomato and pepper plants now, they are starting to produce.
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Re: THF Gardening Thread
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04/22/21 01:50 PM
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Wait, what? You spray DEF on plants to fertilize?? Educate me. DEF is pretty much the purest form of Urea(Nitrogen) you can buy. DEF is nothing but Urea and water. In a fertilizer ratio it's 15-0-0. 10oz of DEF mixed in a gallon of water equals 0.1#'s of nitrogen. Lat year I sprayed DEF at the equivalent of 1/4# of nitrogen on my grass every two weeks and the results were great. Interesting. Wondering if I should spray my tomato and pepper plants now, they are starting to produce. Now’s when you back off the nitro. Up the others
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Man if I knew what Oxner knows I could throw away what I know
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Re: THF Gardening Thread
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04/22/21 02:08 PM
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Derek
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Wait, what? You spray DEF on plants to fertilize?? Educate me. DEF is pretty much the purest form of Urea(Nitrogen) you can buy. DEF is nothing but Urea and water. In a fertilizer ratio it's 15-0-0. 10oz of DEF mixed in a gallon of water equals 0.1#'s of nitrogen. Lat year I sprayed DEF at the equivalent of 1/4# of nitrogen on my grass every two weeks and the results were great. Interesting. Wondering if I should spray my tomato and pepper plants now, they are starting to produce. Now’s when you back off the nitro. Up the others My little baby is growing up so fast! I'm trying out a 2-20-20 product this year come bloom time. A buddy of mine is trying out a 10-50-10. We will compare notes at the end of the season.
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Re: THF Gardening Thread
[Re: Payne]
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04/22/21 02:54 PM
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Bullfrog
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10-50-10. That’s the stuff I was telling you I saw? Ferti-Lome?
Man if I knew what Oxner knows I could throw away what I know
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Re: THF Gardening Thread
[Re: Payne]
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04/22/21 03:27 PM
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Derek
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The one he is using is a product from Kelp 4 Less.
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Re: THF Gardening Thread
[Re: Payne]
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04/22/21 03:50 PM
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Bullfrog
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Oh . . . . . well then. Mr fancy pants
Man if I knew what Oxner knows I could throw away what I know
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Re: THF Gardening Thread
[Re: Payne]
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04/22/21 11:07 PM
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Heavy frost the other day. Looks like everything in this garden made it.
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Re: THF Gardening Thread
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04/23/21 04:10 AM
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Oh . . . . . well then. Mr fancy pants "Hey, Fancy Vest!"
Do not forget to entertain strangers, For by so doing some have unwittingly entertained angels Hebrews 13:2 (R-TX)
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Re: THF Gardening Thread
[Re: Payne]
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04/23/21 01:02 PM
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Light rain here this morning.
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Re: THF Gardening Thread
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04/23/21 01:13 PM
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We got a little drizzle overnight. Hoping for any amount of rain today. My container tomato and jalapeño plants don’t care for the city water.
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Re: THF Gardening Thread
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04/23/21 02:42 PM
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We got a little drizzle overnight. Hoping for any amount of rain today. My container tomato and jalapeño plants don’t care for the city water. You could have pretty alkaline city water. Simple litmus test will tell you. Get a bottle of citric acid at the grocery store. When you mix water in your watering container add just a pinch of citric per gallon. It will drop your water Ph significantly and should get a better response. And I mean just a pinch. Salt bae it.
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Re: THF Gardening Thread
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04/23/21 02:47 PM
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Does anyone know where I can get some 5 gal, minimum, Texas Silver Sage around the Grapevine area?
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Re: THF Gardening Thread
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04/23/21 02:51 PM
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Light rain here this morning. Got a quick drizzle here. About 15 seconds.
Do not forget to entertain strangers, For by so doing some have unwittingly entertained angels Hebrews 13:2 (R-TX)
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Re: THF Gardening Thread
[Re: Payne]
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04/23/21 03:02 PM
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Payne
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Salt bae?!? Wrong side Derek
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Re: THF Gardening Thread
[Re: Payne]
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04/23/21 03:18 PM
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Derek
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Salt bae?!? Wrong side Derek Oops. TFF'ers are the salt bae'rs.
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