Well here are some facts: Education is important and I can buy and sell you!

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“In places with poor sanitation, fecal matter can enter the drinking water supply, and the virus is able to start spreading from person to person.”

-Polio vaccines have been around for a century. There isn’t a lot to understand about them. You’re blaming the vaccine and ignoring the actual issue. Also, the FDA approved a vaccine in Africa? Seems like it was the WHO that handled that, but I could be wrong.
-The vaccine works. Poor countries have issues with all kinds of disease that developed countries don’t. For instance, the oral polio vaccine is cheaper and easier to administer than a traditional vaccine via syringe. Poor African countries with limited resources are using it, but their infrastructure, or lack thereof, caused an unintended consequence.
-Viruses mutate.
-Poor hygiene/sanitation causes viral outbreaks.
-That particular vaccine uses live virus; one of the benefits of the Corona vaccines is they don’t use live virus, so it should help protect against different mutations. Another benefit is, it won’t actually spread the virus because it isn’t live virus.

I don’t have blind faith at all. I like my odds against Corona too. The entire response in this country to the pandemic was absurd and wrong. It’s up to each individual to assess the risks and make an informed decision regarding how they live their life, including whether the vaccine is right for them, and that should have been the plan with shutdowns, as Abbot noted last month when he finally lifted the restrictions. He said “it’s up to the individual to make the choices best for them.” The problem is, they should have been lifted after the first two weeks a year ago.

Reading the science behind these vaccines is making an informed decision. Being skeptical because other continents have issues with a different vaccine for a different virus is making excuses. That’s your choice, too, and fine. I’m not insulting you, but that’s what it is.

No attacks, that's just facts.

This kind of thing always happens when you get a bunch of virologists in the same room together.

Charlie

This kind of thing always happens when you get a bunch of virologists in the same room together.

Charlie

personal attack right here

This is the same type of misinformation you are posting about. There is so much being said that is incorrect and misleading.
True that there is no spread from the Corona vaccine. The post vaccine spread is from people thinking the vaccine is a miracle elixir and the cure all. You will still get infected and will be contagious until the antibodies kick in to help fight the virus. This is why they tell everyone to still wear a mask and socially distance.

It is true that the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines are not presenting the virus to the immune system with live virus. They are using mRNA to instruct your own cells into creating he very specific spike protein for your immune system to respond to and develop antibodies. Because they were so early in the development, the natural mutations of the wild virus is no longer the same as the specific spike protein the mRNA vaccine was developed to produce. Data is showing reduced and very little protection against st some of the variants out there. Those vaccines are showing very reduced effect on the South African, Uk, Brazil and some other variants.

The J&J uses a more natural approach by using an deactivated Adeno virus with spike proteins presented to the immune system. That is why it is a single dose.
This vaccine as developed and tested in the areas where the variants are active and is showing better a results against them. The Adeno is a typical cold virus and has been deactivated so there is no threat of any other viral spread.


One of my major concerns with the vaccine is that they were developed so early that they may become ineffective and a new vaccine will need to be produced. If that happens do you think people are going to rush out and get a new vaccine?? I don’t think so. This vaccine technology has never before been approved by the FDA. They approved it for Emergency Use. How is giving it to everyone and emergency use? This should have been restricted to people in high risk categories but it has been so politicized that no one is allowed to think for themselves. Data is out there but hard to find that most people just give up. They just do what is promoted as “socially accepted” according to the politicians and the media. No one really knows who and what to trust anymore. I believe most people truly care but just don’t have the time or energy to research for themselves.

I truly hope the vaccine ends up doing more good than harm but there are reasons that protocols have been put in place for the development of vaccines. The flu vaccine is a great example. It has been around for a very long time. Yet, it is typically only 30% - 50% effective and must be done every year. However, we still have. 50-70K people die of the flu every year. Most people do not know the vaccine they get at is a watered down version of what they could actually get. Those more potent vaccines with coverage for all 4 flu virus types is reserved for those considered high risk of exposure.
It is all about the money. There is big money to be made by keeping people coming back.

Do your research.


https://www.fda.gov/emergency-preparedness-and-response/coronavirus-disease-2019-covid-19/covid-19-frequently-asked-questions#:~:text=On%20December%2011%2C%202020,)%20of%20a%20vaccine.

Have fun with that!

I'll take my advice from doctors, two I know personally that have a much better grasp on science. Both of them got vaccinated.

I have relented to my wife's pestering, going to get the first round this evening.

I would imagine they were forced to..... I know i had to take the flu shot every year if I wanted to work at the hospital.

They did it voluntarily and were excited about it.

And yet here you are mixing the two........

When should we feel free to talk about the biggest topic in the country for the last year, and the foreseeable future? That's a real question.

This kind of thing always happens when you get a bunch of virologists in the same room together.

Charlie

Here is the weird thing... Asking if someone has or has had covid is protected health information. Heck, even asking about or divulging where you might have gotten the virus is protected health info.
However, asking about someone’s China Flu vaccine status and even requiring a vaccine is not.

I could be wrong but I don't think that's not how it works.

I can ask you anything I want. It's up to you to answer or not.

The protected health info pertains to a covered entity (doctor, insurer, etc) that holds info about another and not sharing it to another party without consent by the subject (the protected party) of the info. For example, your doctor has info about you. Your doctor can't disclose it to me simply because I ask unless you give consent.

PHI is any information that can be used to identify an individual, even if the link appears to be tenuous. HIPAA has laid out 18 identifiers for PHI. If a record contains any one of those 18 identifiers, it is considered to be PHI. If the record has these identifiers removed, it is no longer considered to be Protected Health Information and it is no longer under the restrictions defined by the HIPAA Privacy Rule. These are the 18 Identifiers for PHI:

Full names or last name and initial

...

The rule of thumb is that if any of the information is personably recognizable to the patient or if it was utilized or discovered during the course of a healthcare service, it is considered to be PHI.