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I know ya'll hate Vortex...but... #8191669 03/04/21 02:26 PM
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While searching for a lightweight optic for my "mountain rifle" I came across this model of Razor that I hadn't noticed before...it will be going on a Weatherby 300 win mag (fluted, pencil barrel) to be used on bear and deer. Realistically I don't plan on shooting past 3-400 yards. Mainly just wondering if anybody here uses one? Didn't see many real-world reviews online. Thanks!

https://www.sportoptics.com/vortex-riflescope-rzr-1558.html

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I have a Razor LH 3-15 and the newer LHT 3-15. I've had the LH since they first came out, so probably around 5 years. It's been my favorite lightweight hunting scope. You can find more reviews if you search for the 3-15.


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Re: I know ya'll hate Vortex...but... [Re: texjitter] #8191894 03/04/21 04:33 PM
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Originally Posted by texjitter
While searching for a lightweight optic for my "mountain rifle" I came across this model of Razor that I hadn't noticed before...it will be going on a Weatherby 300 win mag (fluted, pencil barrel) to be used on bear and deer. Realistically I don't plan on shooting past 3-400 yards. Mainly just wondering if anybody here uses one? Didn't see many real-world reviews online. Thanks!

https://www.sportoptics.com/vortex-riflescope-rzr-1558.html


I have one, and like it a great deal. It's a light, low profile scope with good glass.


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Re: I know ya'll hate Vortex...but... [Re: texjitter] #8191930 03/04/21 05:17 PM
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That’s a lot of recoil. Most vortex issues I’ve heard of has been loose parts internally. I have zero experience with that scope though. My only vortex was a gen 1 Viper. The eye relief and the low quality glass was enough to turn me off.

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Originally Posted by wp75169
That’s a lot of recoil. Most vortex issues I’ve heard of has been loose parts internally. I have zero experience with that scope though. My only vortex was a gen 1 Viper. The eye relief and the low quality glass was enough to turn me off.


Normally that would be a concern of mine too, but it'll be shot suppressed so that helps a lot to tame the 300 WM

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Originally Posted by texjitter
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That’s a lot of recoil. Most vortex issues I’ve heard of has been loose parts internally. I have zero experience with that scope though. My only vortex was a gen 1 Viper. The eye relief and the low quality glass was enough to turn me off.


Normally that would be a concern of mine too, but it'll be shot suppressed so that helps a lot to tame the 300 WM


Razors don't have the problems that the Chinese and Philippino Vortex scopes are knows for.


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Re: I know ya'll hate Vortex...but... [Re: texjitter] #8192173 03/04/21 09:36 PM
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I like my LHT....right this second, I would pick it over the vx5hd that I have. I bought it on BIL's recommendation and paid full retail because the one I wanted was the Euro Optic exclusive 3-15x50 in an MOA. It's lived up to the BIL hype thus far but I've only got a couple hunting days and couple kills under it's belt.


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Re: I know ya'll hate Vortex...but... [Re: texjitter] #8192182 03/04/21 09:44 PM
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I love all my Vortex glass.

Re: I know ya'll hate Vortex...but... [Re: texjitter] #8192201 03/04/21 09:59 PM
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Well I found it for $429 at Eurooptic and ordered one! Too good of a deal to pass up I think

https://www.eurooptic.com/RZR-1558-...mId=656ba7ae-385c-4610-bda4-17b57575e8e3

Re: I know ya'll hate Vortex...but... [Re: texjitter] #8192284 03/04/21 10:49 PM
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I like Vortex just fine

Re: I know ya'll hate Vortex...but... [Re: texjitter] #8192459 03/05/21 01:37 AM
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Ok, the one you bought is a great price but that model was not a good tracker if you turn the knobs.

The newer LHT is the upgraded guts and better reticles. I have one on my coyote night gun because I like spf waaaay better for hunting.
EuroOptic offers a 50 mm version. The dot illumination is not good in bright sun which you don’t need anyway. It is probably my favorite scope and to me is better than the 5 hd. To be fair I haven’t twisted turrets but I know credible shooters that do

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I’ve looked through BIL and it has really good Glass.


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Hunted the last year with the 3-15 LHT on a Q Fix. It checks all my boxes and just flat works.

Re: I know ya'll hate Vortex...but... [Re: texjitter] #8195558 03/07/21 10:15 PM
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I did a side by side comparison with an LHT and my VX6HDs-- ended up returning the LHT to EuroOptic and getting VX5HD to put on a M70 .270 Featherweight.

Here's the write up I did on another forum-- read through-- I think for what you are wanting in a scope the LHT might be your ticket!

WEIGHT
Razor LHT 50mm-- 20.4oz without scope caps or a throw lever.
VX6HD 44mm-- 21.6oz with Alumina covers and throw lever
VX6HD 50mm-- 23oz with Alumina covers and throw lever

TURRETS
Razor LHT- Elevation turret is awesome, pulls up easily, noticeable clicks and the hash marks are nicely spaced and easily visible. BIG FAN! The windage turret is capped and the dial feels similar to the capped Zeiss V4 I had... mushy, hard to line up. BUT- I don't dial windage except for establishing my zero so this isn't a big markdown for me.

VX6HD- Love the low profile locking turret, good clicks. However the size and spacing isn't quite as good as the Vortex and the LHT rev-stop system for zeroing will be slightly easier.

RETICLE
Razor LHT- THICK! Compared to the Leupold Impact 29-- the LHT lines are .2MOA and center dot is .35MOA. Which means the lines are double the .1MOA Leupold lines and the LHT dot is 40% larger than the .25MOA dots in the Impact.

The LHT reticle stands out more pronounced with a wooded and dark background compared to the VX6HD but on a less cluttered background it looks bulky. Could be an issue depending on how much precision you are looking for and at what distance. For a 600 yard, ultralight rifle that will go deep woods and open above timber I think the reticle will be fine. I do like the center dot only illumination as opposed to the illuminated cross the Leupold.

PARALLAX
Razor LHT- The 50mm MOA version is made special for Euro Optic apparently-- there are no yardage markings for the Parallax which is lazy IMO. I've heard the Vortex 42mm versions are marked. The LHT has more real estate for adjustment-- I guess it allows for more fine adjustment. It certainly was a large maybe 1/3 rotation to get from 20yd to 200yd. It was smooth, just feels like a long way to turn it. The VX6HD is marked, covers less real estate, definitely a bit more finicky but I'm more used to it as I have 2 of them and had several VX5s previously.

GLASS
Once focused and parallax adjusted I couldn't give an edge either way in just a brief handheld outdoor test. I knew how good my Leupolds are and there was not an immediately noticeable detraction in image going to the LHT.

COST
Razor LHT @ euro $899
Leupolds @ midway $1199

For the cost the LHT is a dang nice scope-- the reticle was a little thick for my preference so I've decided to continue using what has worked for me.

NOTE-- No vortex hating here, I think they have some good products and I think they have some really cheap ones that are marketed "just as good as the big boys". I have two Razor AMGs on my longest range rifles and absolutely love them-- I think they are near impossible to beat for value in a scope that size and that weight.

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Nice write up

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That was a great write up!

I agree 100% on the parallax comments, Vortex should’ve marked theirs and the Luepy is a little finicky...perfect way to describe them.

I also thought the dot and lines were too thick first range trip but after two weekends hunting with it....the dot is slick and the perfect size with an animal background. I prefer a dot to crosshairs. I’m sure this one won’t be my last, I’ll probably try the x42 just to see how it stacks against the x50.


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