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Re: Does this make you rethink your carry gun? [Re: RJH1] #8184609 02/26/21 02:54 PM
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XDs .45 ACP

I've only got 6 rounds. And it has concerned me for a while.

Chambered round is 230 gr Gold Dot
Round 2 is 230 gr FMJ
Gold Dot
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I "think" that is worth loading that way. My thinking was "over penetration" was not necessarily a bad thing, unless a bystander is behind bad guy. The guy in the video soaked them up, and like B.I.L. said was a dead man walking. But he lived long enough he could have killed the officer. Bad guy was way too close.

I absolutely need to practice more!


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Re: Does this make you rethink your carry gun? [Re: RJH1] #8184692 02/26/21 04:05 PM
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Anything you can carry on a daily basis is a compromise. If you knew you were going to be in a shooting today:

1. Stay home, avoid it at all costs.

2. If avoidance is not an option, you would carry a rifle or shotgun or almost anything you have that is bigger and more powerful than anything you can conceal.

But, since the first and most important rule of gunfighting is "have a gun", I carry what I can carry concealed. The more you learn about this subject, the more you will realize that these discussions are interesting but not terribly useful beyond that. Of course, concealable handguns are generally not instant fight-stoppers. But would you rather go into an armed conflict with your concealable handgun or pepper spray or a pocket knife or your keychain, etc.?


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Re: Does this make you rethink your carry gun? [Re: J.G.] #8185090 02/26/21 10:53 PM
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Originally Posted by FiremanJG
XDs .45 ACP

I've only got 6 rounds. And it has concerned me for a while.

Chambered round is 230 gr Gold Dot
Round 2 is 230 gr FMJ
Gold Dot
FMJ
Gold Dot
FMJ

I "think" that is worth loading that way. My thinking was "over penetration" was not necessarily a bad thing, unless a bystander is behind bad guy. The guy in the video soaked them up, and like B.I.L. said was a dead man walking. But he lived long enough he could have killed the officer. Bad guy was way too close.

I absolutely need to practice more!


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Re: Does this make you rethink your carry gun? [Re: RJH1] #8185260 02/27/21 01:17 AM
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Not sure it makes me rethink my CC firearm but it does make me think about improved shooting skills under stress and training.


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Re: Does this make you rethink your carry gun? [Re: RJH1] #8185271 02/27/21 01:21 AM
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Re: Does this make you rethink your carry gun? [Re: Longhunter] #8185355 02/27/21 02:14 AM
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I normally dont think too highly of that guys statements.... but that one I tend to agree with.


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Re: Does this make you rethink your carry gun? [Re: RJH1] #8185481 02/27/21 05:33 AM
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Originally Posted by RJH1
The main thing i think i took from this video for me is the NEED to transition if what you are doing isn't working. While i have practiced Mozambique drills, and even moving headshots on moving targets, i don't think i have ever really considered the NEED to switch from center mass to head/hip in an actual possible gunfight, even though i new it could a possibility. For me this video shows a slight change in mindset would be more beneficial than a change in equipment at this time


This. If what you're doing didn't work quickly the 1st three times you did it, doing it nine more times the same way probably isn't going to rapidly change the outcome. I can't carry enough gear to deal with every possible scenario. Nor do I have the time or money to sufficiently train with all that gear. I can carry enough gear to prepare for the most likely events... and train to be flexible with with what I have to deal with feasible outliers.

Re: Does this make you rethink your carry gun? [Re: BigRon] #8185495 02/27/21 06:09 AM
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Originally Posted by BigRon
Anything you can carry on a daily basis is a compromise. If you knew you were going to be in a shooting today:

1. Stay home, avoid it at all costs.

2. If avoidance is not an option, you would carry a rifle or shotgun or almost anything you have that is bigger and more powerful than anything you can conceal.

But, since the first and most important rule of gunfighting is "have a gun", I carry what I can carry concealed. The more you learn about this subject, the more you will realize that these discussions are interesting but not terribly useful beyond that. Of course, concealable handguns are generally not instant fight-stoppers. But would you rather go into an armed conflict with your concealable handgun or pepper spray or a pocket knife or your keychain, etc.?


Bigron makes a lot of sense. Do I think I'm John Wayne or Clint Eastwood? In my dreams maybe. But the bottom line is, I shoot a lot. I always follow bigron's most important rule of gunfighting. And I'm personally confident in my abilities. All the rest of it is interesting internet talk. Practice with your weapon. Be confident. Have a gun in a gunfight. Do these things and you'll probably end up living longer.

Re: Does this make you rethink your carry gun? [Re: RJH1] #8185544 02/27/21 12:50 PM
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I have been carrying my G21.4 with a total of three mags lately. As opposed to the G17.3 or G22.4 with three mags total.

Re: Does this make you rethink your carry gun? [Re: RJH1] #8187531 03/01/21 05:26 AM
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Perp had to have been juiced up on something. Never flinched as cop dumped a mag into him.

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