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Re: Does this make you rethink your carry gun?
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02/26/21 02:54 PM
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J.G.
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XDs .45 ACP
I've only got 6 rounds. And it has concerned me for a while.
Chambered round is 230 gr Gold Dot Round 2 is 230 gr FMJ Gold Dot FMJ Gold Dot FMJ
I "think" that is worth loading that way. My thinking was "over penetration" was not necessarily a bad thing, unless a bystander is behind bad guy. The guy in the video soaked them up, and like B.I.L. said was a dead man walking. But he lived long enough he could have killed the officer. Bad guy was way too close.
I absolutely need to practice more!
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Re: Does this make you rethink your carry gun?
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02/26/21 04:05 PM
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Anything you can carry on a daily basis is a compromise. If you knew you were going to be in a shooting today:
1. Stay home, avoid it at all costs.
2. If avoidance is not an option, you would carry a rifle or shotgun or almost anything you have that is bigger and more powerful than anything you can conceal.
But, since the first and most important rule of gunfighting is "have a gun", I carry what I can carry concealed. The more you learn about this subject, the more you will realize that these discussions are interesting but not terribly useful beyond that. Of course, concealable handguns are generally not instant fight-stoppers. But would you rather go into an armed conflict with your concealable handgun or pepper spray or a pocket knife or your keychain, etc.?
God is so good to me.
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Re: Does this make you rethink your carry gun?
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02/26/21 10:53 PM
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Biscuit
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XDs .45 ACP
I've only got 6 rounds. And it has concerned me for a while.
Chambered round is 230 gr Gold Dot Round 2 is 230 gr FMJ Gold Dot FMJ Gold Dot FMJ
I "think" that is worth loading that way. My thinking was "over penetration" was not necessarily a bad thing, unless a bystander is behind bad guy. The guy in the video soaked them up, and like B.I.L. said was a dead man walking. But he lived long enough he could have killed the officer. Bad guy was way too close.
I absolutely need to practice more! You’re well prepared
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Re: Does this make you rethink your carry gun?
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02/27/21 01:17 AM
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The Dude Abides
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Not sure it makes me rethink my CC firearm but it does make me think about improved shooting skills under stress and training.
I am still looking for the perfect apron, one with reinforced knee areas would be perfect.
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Re: Does this make you rethink your carry gun?
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02/27/21 01:21 AM
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Re: Does this make you rethink your carry gun?
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02/27/21 02:14 AM
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Tactical Cowboy
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I normally dont think too highly of that guys statements.... but that one I tend to agree with.
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Re: Does this make you rethink your carry gun?
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02/27/21 05:33 AM
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machine73
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The main thing i think i took from this video for me is the NEED to transition if what you are doing isn't working. While i have practiced Mozambique drills, and even moving headshots on moving targets, i don't think i have ever really considered the NEED to switch from center mass to head/hip in an actual possible gunfight, even though i new it could a possibility. For me this video shows a slight change in mindset would be more beneficial than a change in equipment at this time This. If what you're doing didn't work quickly the 1st three times you did it, doing it nine more times the same way probably isn't going to rapidly change the outcome. I can't carry enough gear to deal with every possible scenario. Nor do I have the time or money to sufficiently train with all that gear. I can carry enough gear to prepare for the most likely events... and train to be flexible with with what I have to deal with feasible outliers.
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Re: Does this make you rethink your carry gun?
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02/27/21 06:09 AM
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Anything you can carry on a daily basis is a compromise. If you knew you were going to be in a shooting today:
1. Stay home, avoid it at all costs.
2. If avoidance is not an option, you would carry a rifle or shotgun or almost anything you have that is bigger and more powerful than anything you can conceal.
But, since the first and most important rule of gunfighting is "have a gun", I carry what I can carry concealed. The more you learn about this subject, the more you will realize that these discussions are interesting but not terribly useful beyond that. Of course, concealable handguns are generally not instant fight-stoppers. But would you rather go into an armed conflict with your concealable handgun or pepper spray or a pocket knife or your keychain, etc.?
Bigron makes a lot of sense. Do I think I'm John Wayne or Clint Eastwood? In my dreams maybe. But the bottom line is, I shoot a lot. I always follow bigron's most important rule of gunfighting. And I'm personally confident in my abilities. All the rest of it is interesting internet talk. Practice with your weapon. Be confident. Have a gun in a gunfight. Do these things and you'll probably end up living longer.
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Re: Does this make you rethink your carry gun?
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02/27/21 12:50 PM
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I have been carrying my G21.4 with a total of three mags lately. As opposed to the G17.3 or G22.4 with three mags total.
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Re: Does this make you rethink your carry gun?
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03/01/21 05:26 AM
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Dub32
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Perp had to have been juiced up on something. Never flinched as cop dumped a mag into him.
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