Western states with public land are more exposed to the liberal insanity that bases game management strictly on emotions.

The state offices are full of liberal idiots. The game departments are full of them, as are the National Forest Circus, BLM, and USFW.

When it's public land, you have that mafia to deal with.

Private property rights are way undersold.

Part of it. Back when I lived in CO, I was helping a buddy get his RBH, similar thing happened, There was 4 of us total, all military. The outfitter had a team of at least 10. It was pre cell so we had to use hand signals, they started using our hand signals for reference. Hind sight I thought is was funny, physically the outfitters couldn't even beat us there any way. In and out in a day. Fun hunt.

I seen it happen on Mule deer also, on eastern front of CO. I'll say that guy that got him could shoot!!

I'm very much in the minority on this site, but I still believe the best option is to sell most of the Federal lands in the west at public auction. This is the "tragedy of the commons" all over again. What belongs to everyone belongs to no one.

Thank God you are in the minority or much of this country, its natural places, and its wildlife would be screwed. It doesn’t take much effort to get away from people on public lands out west if you use your brain and a little boot leather.

And the vast majority of folks who run them aren’t liberal idiots. But that’s starting to change some. Mostly it’s the liberal citizens themselves who override science, not the game departments who by and large do a damn good job in most states.

Really, you know these liberal folks ? Well guess what I know some of them; GWs, biologists, even a WG&F commissioner-actually knew a past one too. Far far from liberal. Spouse worked for WG&F for several years, again not a liberal in the bunch.
You're showing your ignorance here bud.

You don't have a clue what you are talking about.

I have lived, ranched and hunted in a state with lots of public land, and under the control of liberals in the Game Commissions, and in control of NF, BLM & USFW. It's nothing new. Liberals have controlled all that for decades in those places.

Don't lie here.

Some of us know better.

P.S. What's your member number at BHA?

I see what you mean too a point. I'm blessed and get to utilize and hunt usually a min of 2 western states a year. I hunt NF, Wilderness and BLM, but that's 20-30 days of hunting for same price as my deer lease.

I don't agree with a lot of federal management ideologies and how they get manipulated, but.... For the most part, it offers recreational opportunities 2nd to none.

Where else can you take you family on a week long jeep trail camping adventure. In fact there is only on ranch big enough in the US to technically do that. Good luck getting access.

I personally can't phantom not having public land. It's actually on of the things that's make us uniquely American.

With that said if it was auctioned today under current administration how much would end up Foreign owned?

Wyoming may be a small exception. So far.

But, NM, AZ, MT, NV, OR, and many others are definitely exactly what I said.

So, in fact, as I stated, the vast majority of "Western States" ARE under liberal thumbs of all of that. That's a fact.

Wyoming maybe being the exception.

Well, since most of the public land is available for hunting, managed for hunting, and by and large managed pretty well unless the feds or liberal citizens get too involved - I’m grateful to whoever’s running it. The ones I’ve interacted with sure aren’t liberals and that doesn’t jibe with liberals being in charge.

You are the one with no clue. Paint with that broad brush all the time I bet.

Looks like this thread has replaced Reds "At what point" thread. It should easily make it till the big thaw.

I've leased BLM and state school land. Each BLM district is different. Biggest issue as far as hunting is Liberal appointments at the state game agency heads. State controls wild life decisions out side of ESA protections.

Now I'm not disagreeing that liberal biased hasn't influenced federal management because it has in a bad bad way, but not to the point those roads and trail heads are closed. You sell it, they will be 100% closed. Even if they do a lease back access will be limited.

F’ BHA!!! They Should be censored word on THF. I feel like an idiot for supporting them when they first came out.

Sir, I do have a clue. I lived it. Experienced it.

As I have noted, Wyoming is the rare exception in the vast lands of the west. As said, I already acknowledged that to you.

You want egg in your beer as well?

As far as the other states, I stand firmly behind the facts and my statements.

No egg here and guess what I am no "sir " either. I drink beer my good friend makes, bet you drink fizzy corn water, i.e. Coors or rice beer. Find an egg every once in a while do you? Not me.
Wyoming is no "small" exception, half our state is public lands.

You're still painting with a wide brush.

Grew up for the last 40 years with all my friends being in the BLM, FS or State Lands Dept, and CAL Fire. Everything from local range cons and biologists, wardens, and all the way ups to district managers, State Range Manager, and even Washington DC policy makers. No liberals in any of them, and listening to stories most of the problems are liberal groups, eco-lawyers, litigation and suits hampering all the correct policies and practices. Now if you want to point your finger at the National Park Service, and more and more) USFWS, there I would start to agree with you!!

Litigation is the crazy part when it gets broken out and highlighted. Trump should of disbanded NP service and gave it to NFS.. I’m sure BHA and Patagonia would of told everyone he was stealing our public land again.

Tell us about what percentage Wyoming is in the theme of "western hunting"... (Taken from the thread title.)

Tell us all about how conservatively the entire western states are governed and regulated.

I wasn't aware that only Wyoming made up the entirety of "western states".

Knock that chip off your own shoulder. I'm not the enemy. But maybe it's time you see who and what is before your precious state follows the others down that liberal rabbit hole...?

Thanks Blank, all of the folks I know involved in game management are not liberals by any means, that incudes state and federal folks. But hey, I'm sure BbarV knows many more of those local folks than us.
Actually looks to me that outfitters have more say in some states than the elected politicians, guess they are all liberals too.

The chip on my shoulder is from folks bashing western game management from Texas, or any state back east. Don't like it then hunt elsewhere.

This whole thread was about all the madness around trail cams in some states, you brought liberal politics into it BbarV.
Guess what, many hunters in those states want trail cam restrictions. Take a look around some other forums and read the residents comments.
It's not liberal politics pushing trail cam bans, it's fed up hunters.

The only time I have even been slightly perturbed with a state game official out west was this one warden in Wyoming who met us and checked my moose tag every day for 6 days. Every. Day.

Never could figure that one out.

Differences that most people in TX don't see is those cameras are used out west to identify/find not so much to pattern
Here people use then to identify but most are trying to pattern.

I think out west public land mandate should be no cameras after Aug or state bans them on public land water sources and sets up a subscription based portal that funds camera and excess goes to directly into water enhancements.

IMO

Wyoming is blessed with not only their federal management but state's game agencies. I feel TX is in same boat.
It's always a different conversation with USFG LE interactions compared to state here IMO.

maybe you talked down to him and he did not like you

Are you familiar with the phrase “self own”?

You told him you where a lawyer didn’t you ...lol kidding

I’m sure it was because it was a super tag. Or he just wanted to see a big moose.

GWs have always been overly nice to me.

Maybe so. It was a draw tag, but I never did figure it out.