Anyone can write some random numbers down to prove the point they want.
I wonder if this Brandon fella is a democrat?

Saturday morning I will be shooting $15 a box steel!

Excellent clapback, that's seriously the best you can come up with? Just bc everyone tries to dog on me that I like the company and the shell they make doesn't mean you can try to pile it on with a weak comment like that.

“I never said it was better than lead. Nothing will beat lead, besides tungsten, but boss is very identical to lead.
Brandon that owns boss does days and days of research trying to come up with the best, most cost effective shell for hunting ducks.
Below is a picture that is proof that boss is almost identical to lead.”

Please excuse this spectators intrusion but WTF is “very identical”?

KWood, I realize you are enamored with Boss Bismuth, and apparently look up to the old boy that makes it, so I’m not gonna rain on your parade.

Because you can't disprove it. It's all good though

Look at the pic I posted. You tell me how that is almost identical or not

I posted factual data so you could compare the numbers and see for yourself, instead you posted a sales pitch. I should have heeded Bobo’s advice. I was trying to be nice but hey. Read this KWood. Read it fast and loud.

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Edit to add: Bismuth is nowhere close to identical to lead. The density of lead is 11.35 grams/cubic centimeter. Bismuth is 9.6 grams/cubic centimeter. That means lead is 15% heavier by volume and hence has greater penetration as is detailed in the charts I posted for you. Now that we have cleared that up we can talk more about terminal performance. Cut one of your bismuth shell open and a lead shell with the same size shot. Take four or five pieces of each and put them on a hard surface and hit them sharply with a hammer. You will not approach the 1000 or so fps the shot is traveling when it hits bone but this will give you an idea of what happens. The lead will flatten some but stay together. The bismuth will shatter. Do it for yourself and post up what happens. That is the difference and it is a big difference that is nowhere near identical.

My take on shells. I hunt to see ducks back pedaling over the decoys inside 30-35 yards. At that range any shell will kill ducks if your on them. Bismuth, heavishot, tungsten has it advantages at longer ranges and can be beneficial in pass shooting situations. Your better off spending your money in the offseason shooting clays and honing your skills.

With that being said I plan to buy some boss some day to try them. But I can't say I've ever had a problem with steel killing ducks. And one day I plan to go to Mexico to see how lead works on ducks.

Cupped and feet down.

So you posted outdated info, got it. The copper plating makes a huge difference, and there are no third party tests that I've seen on it.
I know how much bismuth weighs, I know what lead weighs, and what steel weighs.
What makes you think a real world test of shot being measured in ballistic gel is a sales pitch? You can obviously see its not a sales pitch. He took lead, from your dinosaur age era at that, his copper plated boss, his unplated boss and did an apples to apples test.
You just can't admit what you see on a scientific test. All the data you posted, how do you think it was done? With the exact same method he did his test with. That's how I know you're close minded and have the deaf ears, not me.

It's facts, boss' copper plated bismuth outperforms all other bismuth, And it distantly outperforms steel.
That's why it takes a steel#2 to outperform boss#5. So would you rather shoot #2 steel or #5 boss?

What's also funny was I made this post asking about others of they've looked into payload and if anyone looks at that. You go into a rant about lead, which we cash use anymore unfortunately. Most people that are ignorant think they need a 3.5" bb to kill geese at 50 yards. The fact is the boss 3"#3 would be a better choice. More pellets equals a denser pattern which equals less cripples. So, that's why it's also cost effective bc you're not using multiple shells to finish.
But anyways, your lesson in scientific tests is over.

No doubt. Decoying ducks are awesome, but sometimes you know they aren't gonna do it. I still usually won't shoot at them though. There's just something more satisfying about shooting decoyed ducks, geese, and crane.

On the boss, the money bag they came out with is awesome. You get one free when you buy a case. You'll never use boxes again.

Apparently you missed the part where I said/typed “WTF is “very identical”?”.......I was asking for a definition of “very identical”.

Well if I reread my comment correctly, I wasn’t piling on you nor did I say anything about you to begin with?

Age old argument with no discernable resolution. Everyone shoot what you like, what makes you feel all warm and fuzzy, and what follows the law. I have my own opinions. Of course they're the correct ones but I'll keep them to myself. This is like beans in chili.

Fun to read though.

Wait a sec, I thought black cloud was the best? Hopedale??

"For the one that like to dog on me because I shoot boss"

I don't think anyone has dogged you for shooting boss. They dog you because your like a Jehovah Witness shoving it down peoples throat. Hence this thread start. Give your opinion if you have one based on experience then let it be. (unless your buying our shells for us to use then pimp boss to us all you want)

Wait... is this a thing? If so the fine folks at the Spoetzl Brewery owe me a keg or two of Shiner Bock.

Yes, most brands require x amount social media outreach. (Forums, Instagram, FB, etc)

Gotcha, that would explain a lot. I noticed there was never any denial LOL.

Well dang. Free Boss would be a boss development KWood. If you could hook us all up, I would refer to you as the Boss boss!

well this thread is completely worthless now as I heard Apex now kicks some Boss A$$

That'd be nice, but They don't give free shells out to anyone lol. They have said they will never have a pro staff etc either.

I'm sure their tss does. But it's not even feasible, $4.50 a trigger pull. That's wild. Boss also makes a tungsten load that is around the same price, but it's a turkey load.

Have any of you that shoot tungsten thought it may be cheaper to shoot lead and pay the fine depending on the frequency you see the game warden?

Lmao! I was thinking the exact same thing.