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December 19, 1860 “The Battle That Wasn’t.” What Happened at Pease River Wasn't a Battle. It Was a Massacre.
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How a Texas Ranger’s personal mythology came to be accepted as popular history. Early accounts of the Battle of Pease River read like Hollywood film treatments from the fifties. A dashing young hero, Sul Ross, led a small force of Texas Rangers, U.S. cavalry troops, and militia volunteers into combat against a much larger group of Comanche warriors led by legendary chief Peta Nocona. It was 160 years ago, on December 19, 1860—a frigid, blustery day—and the Rangers’ coalition had the element of surprise on its side. “The attack was so sudden that a considerable number [of Comanche] were killed before they could prepare for defense,” Ross said years later, in a statement supplied to historian James T. DeShields. According to narratives popular at the time, after they defeated the warriors, Ross and another Ranger, Tom Killiheir, pursued Nocona, a girl, and a woman holding a toddler as they fled on horseback. Ross killed the girl and injured Nocona, then ordered his Mexican servant to dispatch him with a shotgun. Killiheir, meanwhile, captured the other woman, whose name was Naduah, and her young daughter. https://www.texasmonthly.com/being-...tm_term=0_92f99d7313-757cb13146-54722947
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Re: December 19, 1850 “The Battle That Wasn’t.” What Happened at Pease River Wasn't a Battle. It Was a Massacre.
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Title says 1850
It was 1860
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Re: December 19, 1850 “The Battle That Wasn’t.” What Happened at Pease River Wasn't a Battle. It Was a Massacre.
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Title says 1850
It was 1860 Picky, picky.
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Re: December 19, 1850 “The Battle That Wasn’t.” What Happened at Pease River Wasn't a Battle. It Was a Massacre.
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The Gunfight at the OK Corral, Travis’ Line in the Sand, practically every legendary gunfighter - many (if not most) of what we were taught about the history of the Old West growing up had its genesis in self-promotion, dime novels, Hollywood or some combination of all three. A kernel of truth wrapped in blankets of made up exaggerations (as the article describes).
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Re: December 19, 1860 “The Battle That Wasn’t.” What Happened at Pease River Wasn't a Battle. It Was a Massacre.
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Title says 1850
It was 1860 My bad, 1860 it was. Thanks
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Re: December 19, 1850 “The Battle That Wasn’t.” What Happened at Pease River Wasn't a Battle. It Was a Massacre.
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Political gain for Ross to lie, he was not a hero just a politician, they are all the same even 160 years ago
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Re: December 19, 1860 “The Battle That Wasn’t.” What Happened at Pease River Wasn't a Battle. It Was a Massacre.
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Just a interesting piece of old history that with some research changes the view of the story. Which is true? Nobody can really know what went down.
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Re: December 19, 1860 “The Battle That Wasn’t.” What Happened at Pease River Wasn't a Battle. It Was a Massacre.
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Just a interesting piece of old history that with some research changes the view of the story. Which is true? Nobody can really know what went down. And thank you for posting. Enjoy it from time to time.
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Re: December 19, 1860 “The Battle That Wasn’t.” What Happened at Pease River Wasn't a Battle. It Was a Massacre.
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Degenerate politicians have always lied and cheated their way to the top.
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Re: December 19, 1860 “The Battle That Wasn’t.” What Happened at Pease River Wasn't a Battle. It Was a Massacre.
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So what if it really was a massacre? The Comanche massacred the Parker clan at Parker Fort. I’m good with payback.
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Re: December 19, 1860 “The Battle That Wasn’t.” What Happened at Pease River Wasn't a Battle. It Was a Massacre.
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The Comanches were pretty much the Isis of their day. Baby Head was named for a reason.
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Re: December 19, 1860 “The Battle That Wasn’t.” What Happened at Pease River Wasn't a Battle. It Was a Massacre.
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The Gunfight at the OK Corral, Travis’ Line in the Sand, practically every legendary gunfighter - many (if not most) of what we were taught about the history of the Old West growing up had its genesis in self-promotion, dime novels, Hollywood or some combination of all three. A kernel of truth wrapped in blankets of made up exaggerations (as the article describes). You of course...... are reading the wrong books/ articles/ and certainly, the wrong news...... But then, I'm reasonably sure, that's why you have such a convoluted viewpoint on most everything...................
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Re: December 19, 1860 “The Battle That Wasn’t.” What Happened at Pease River Wasn't a Battle. It Was a Massacre.
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You want to read something horrifying, there are stories about the Fort Parker massacre told by survivors. And the survivors walked 100 miles to Jefferson for help. All I care about Sul Ross and the Rangers is that they won, and I don’t care how they did it or wrote it up.
The world is a vicious place and always was, and it isn’t PC.
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The Gunfight at the OK Corral, Travis’ Line in the Sand, practically every legendary gunfighter - many (if not most) of what we were taught about the history of the Old West growing up had its genesis in self-promotion, dime novels, Hollywood or some combination of all three. A kernel of truth wrapped in blankets of made up exaggerations (as the article describes). You of course...... are reading the wrong books/ articles/ and certainly, the wrong news...... But then, I'm reasonably sure, that's why you have such a convoluted viewpoint on most everything................... No doubt many consider the truth a “convoluted viewpoint” in these days of propaganda and personality cults.
I learned long ago you can't reason someone out of something they don't reason themselves into.
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Re: December 19, 1860 “The Battle That Wasn’t.” What Happened at Pease River Wasn't a Battle. It Was a Massacre.
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You want to read something horrifying, there are stories about the Fort Parker massacre told by survivors. And the survivors walked 100 miles to Jefferson for help. All I care about Sul Ross and the Rangers is that they won, and I don’t care how they did it or wrote it up.
The world is a vicious place and always was, and it isn’t PC. Amen to that.
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Re: December 19, 1860 “The Battle That Wasn’t.” What Happened at Pease River Wasn't a Battle. It Was a Massacre.
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Texas Monthly is a libturd rag......
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Re: December 19, 1860 “The Battle That Wasn’t.” What Happened at Pease River Wasn't a Battle. It Was a Massacre.
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I’m guessing Sul Ross was his great granddaddy, or something.
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Re: December 19, 1860 “The Battle That Wasn’t.” What Happened at Pease River Wasn't a Battle. It Was a Massacre.
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That was my thinking as well. That he has a personal stake in the story. Pretty sure he passed out on us.
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Sul was a true stud. Read about him a lot when that idgit Aggie QB went off on him. My bet is stylish boy from up there in Texas Lite is not from the Sul Ross gene pool. More likely related to the Aggie.
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Re: December 19, 1860 “The Battle That Wasn’t.” What Happened at Pease River Wasn't a Battle. It Was a Massacre.
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Of course Sul Ross embellished a good bit here (Peta Nocona was not even at the Pease River battle where Cynthia Ann was rescued
He was also a badass of epic proportions
Shot thru the chest at Ft Belknap, begged his own men to kill him
But he survived
His service in the Civil War was long, & he fought in some of the biggest battles in the west
Then went on the be Governor
FYI- there is a marker down a dirt road near Thalia & Margaret where the Pease River Battlefield is. It’s at th gate to the (now) private property where it actually occurred. There’s also a marker at a roadside park on Hwy 6, but it’s only there because it’s where everyone on the highway can see it
My favorite quote from Sul Ross was spoken after the CW battle of Pea Ridge/Elkhorn Tavern (where Texas hero Ben McCullouch was killed) The commanding Confederate general (Earl Van Dorn) attempted a very difficult, all night flanking March in a circle around the Yankees in an ice storm, but the Yankees successfully altered their defenses before the fight & reformed their defensive perimeter several times during the fight, & the Confederates lost the battle. When asked what happened, Sul Ross said “too much marching & not enough fighting.”
Also, for the record, I (myself) am very soft.
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Romanticized or not, the fact is the Comanches did not want settlers north of the Balcones escarpment. Somehow, some way, people like Sul Ross didn’t let that get in their way and did things in such a manner that allowed Texas to be Texas.
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Re: December 19, 1860 “The Battle That Wasn’t.” What Happened at Pease River Wasn't a Battle. It Was a Massacre.
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Of course Sul Ross embellished a good bit here (Peta Nocona was not even at the Pease River battle where Cynthia Ann was rescued
He was also a badass of epic proportions
Shot thru the chest at Ft Belknap, begged his own men to kill him
But he survived
His service in the Civil War was long, & he fought in some of the biggest battles in the west
Then went on the be Governor
FYI- there is a marker down a dirt road near Thalia & Margaret where the Pease River Battlefield is. It’s at th gate to the (now) private property where it actually occurred. There’s also a marker at a roadside park on Hwy 6, but it’s only there because it’s where everyone on the highway can see it
My favorite quote from Sul Ross was spoken after the CW battle of Pea Ridge/Elkhorn Tavern (where Texas hero Ben McCullouch was killed) The commanding Confederate general (Earl Van Dorn) attempted a very difficult, all night flanking March in a circle around the Yankees in an ice storm, but the Yankees successfully altered their defenses before the fight & reformed their defensive perimeter several times during the fight, & the Confederates lost the battle. When asked what happened, Sul Ross said “too much marching & not enough fighting.”
Also, for the record, I (myself) am very soft. Yeppers. The reality of some plagerism doesn't mean the whol story is bad.
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And just like that civility was restored. Well done gentlemen.
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Romanticized or not, the fact is the Comanches did not want settlers north of the Balcones escarpment. Somehow, some way, people like Sul Ross didn’t let that get in their way and did things in such a manner that allowed Texas to be Texas. & that’s why we owe them respect & thanks
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