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Be careful buying online
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10/26/20 01:21 PM
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MBTECH85
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Long story short myself and two other guys were scammed on another forum. We all purchased Nightforce scopes that were either described as new or like new from someone who had been a member of this forum for over a year. I made a deal with the seller but he wanted me to pay with a money order. I finally convinced him to accept PayPal goods and services, however the other two buyers sent postal money orders. After I sent the seller funds via PayPal, the first red flag popped up. The email address the seller had provided for PayPal was linked to a Chinese Business. I asked the seller if this was the correct email and he told me that yes it was, it was his wife’s business.
I went against my best judgment and sent the funds anyway. I messaged the seller and told him that the funds were sent. He replied and said he would ship out the next morning and provide me with a FedEx tracking number. A day passes and nothing. I reach back out to the seller and ask if he was able to ship the scope out. He replied that he was unable to do so because he got stuck at work. He assured me that he would ship out the following morning. Ok cool, no problem. This same excuse making about why he was unable to ship continues for the next several days before I finally decide to do a little investigating. I searched the sellers username on the forum and find two other Nightforce scopes he had posted for sale that were already sold to other forum members. I reached out to these two gentlemen and asked if they had received their scopes from the seller yet. They had not, but unfortunately they had both paid with postal money orders that had already been cashed.
Turns out the seller was giving these other guys the runaround too as to why he had not shipped the scopes. We all agreed that we had been taken. I’m working with PayPal now to get my money back, but the other two guys are pretty much SOL. I wanted to post this as a warning to anyone that makes purchases online from other forums, Texas gun trader, etc. DO NOT send someone (complete stranger) a money order or any other form of payment that offers you no protection if the transaction goes south. This is 2020. If the seller says they won’t take PayPal as a form of payment because they don’t have a PayPal account, time to sign up. If they can post for sale ads from a computer or cellphone, they can take the time and figure out how to sign up for a PayPal account. Also when paying with PayPal, always send payment as “goods and services”. You have no protection if you send “friends and family”. I hope that this doesn’t come across as a rant, I’m simply trying to help make sure no one else makes the same mistake. That being said, anyone have a Nightforce ATACR F1 7-35x56 for sale? 😂
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Re: Be careful buying online
[Re: MBTECH85]
#8024019
10/26/20 01:27 PM
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cbump
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This would be more helpful if you named the person.
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Re: Be careful buying online
[Re: MBTECH85]
#8024020
10/26/20 01:27 PM
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bill oxner
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Re: Be careful buying online
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#8024028
10/26/20 01:31 PM
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MBTECH85
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This would be more helpful if you named the person. It was on Snipers Hide and the seller has been banned.
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Re: Be careful buying online
[Re: MBTECH85]
#8024048
10/26/20 01:40 PM
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Thanks for the reminder that not everyone is to be trusted.
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Re: Be careful buying online
[Re: MBTECH85]
#8024080
10/26/20 02:01 PM
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mikei
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Just another warning before you cozy up to PayPal: they are anti-gun.
https://www.paypal.com/us/smarthelp/article/What-is-PayPal%E2%80%99s-policy-on-transactions-that-involve-firearms-FAQ585
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Re: Be careful buying online
[Re: MBTECH85]
#8024152
10/26/20 02:46 PM
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Mike W
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Paypal is anti gun, but they will get your money back every time.
This cannot be fixed at the voting booth.. Wake Up You Morons!
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Re: Be careful buying online
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#8024180
10/26/20 03:02 PM
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Texas Dan
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Just curious if it was an attractive price that was your primary reason for deciding to buy.
"Some people will never like you because your spirit irritates their demons."
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Re: Be careful buying online
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10/26/20 03:05 PM
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If someone is running scams, receiving & cashing a federal document (USPS money order) does it make it a federal crime?
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Re: Be careful buying online
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#8024195
10/26/20 03:09 PM
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Mike W
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If someone is running scams, receiving & cashing a federal document (USPS money order) does it make it a federal crime? Yes it does.
This cannot be fixed at the voting booth.. Wake Up You Morons!
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Re: Be careful buying online
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#8024196
10/26/20 03:09 PM
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Turns out the seller was giving these other guys the runaround too as to why he had not shipped the scopes. We all agreed that we had been taken. I’m working with PayPal now to get my money back, but the other two guys are pretty much SOL.
You might be SOL too, if PayPal finds out it was for the purchase of a gun accessory they might get the money back from seller and confiscate it and lock your PP account.
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Re: Be careful buying online
[Re: MBTECH85]
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10/26/20 03:15 PM
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bill oxner
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This would be more helpful if you named the person. It was on Snipers Hide and the seller has been banned. This is not the mods first rodeo.
Quail hunting is like walking into, and out of a beautiful painting all day long. Gene Hill
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Re: Be careful buying online
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10/26/20 03:15 PM
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Dustnsand
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Turns out the seller was giving these other guys the runaround too as to why he had not shipped the scopes. We all agreed that we had been taken. I’m working with PayPal now to get my money back, but the other two guys are pretty much SOL.
You might be SOL too, if PayPal finds out it was for the purchase of a gun accessory they might get the money back from seller and confiscate it and lock your PP account. It isn't that bad. They don't like knives as well and every knife dealer out there used PP. Just don't write in the notes its for a knife or gun
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Re: Be careful buying online
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#8024228
10/26/20 03:33 PM
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ntxtrapper
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This would be more helpful if you named the person. It was on Snipers Hide and the seller has been banned. You said he's been on here for over a year. What name?
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Re: Be careful buying online
[Re: Texas Dan]
#8024271
10/26/20 04:01 PM
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MBTECH85
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Just curious if it was an attractive price that was your primary reason for deciding to buy. It was a pretty good price, but not so good that it would be too good to be true.
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Re: Be careful buying online
[Re: KRoyal]
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10/26/20 04:03 PM
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MBTECH85
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Turns out the seller was giving these other guys the runaround too as to why he had not shipped the scopes. We all agreed that we had been taken. I’m working with PayPal now to get my money back, but the other two guys are pretty much SOL.
You might be SOL too, if PayPal finds out it was for the purchase of a gun accessory they might get the money back from seller and confiscate it and lock your PP account. We’ll see, but I didn’t add a description in the comments.
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Re: Be careful buying online
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#8024278
10/26/20 04:04 PM
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MBTECH85
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This would be more helpful if you named the person. It was on Snipers Hide and the seller has been banned. You said he's been on here for over a year. What name? He was on Snipers Hide as the user oldfart80.
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Re: Be careful buying online
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#8024449
10/26/20 06:20 PM
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The Dude Abides
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I would NEVER buy a new or used high end ANYTHING without seeing the item in person or being able to verify who the seller is. Plain and simple. And for the life of me I cannot understand why any 2A supporter would be using PayPal. PFHUCK those clowns!
I am still looking for the perfect apron, one with reinforced knee areas would be perfect.
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Re: Be careful buying online
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#8024542
10/26/20 07:46 PM
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This is 2020. If the seller says they won’t take PayPal as a form of payment because they don’t have a PayPal account, time to sign up. If they can post for sale ads from a computer or cellphone, they can take the time and figure out how to sign up for a PayPal account. Sorry to hear about your ordeal. As for 2020 and Paypal. I completely disagree and it doesn't matter what year it is. I have a smartphone and I think I might be able to figure out how to create a Paypal account. I think. But, I won't. Paypal is not the only game in town. Regardless, there are people who simply refuse to do business with certain businesses. I am one. I refuse to do business with Paypal. I recently posted a pair of boots for sale and noted I would not accept Paypal. I got paid through Zelle.
My botnet is bigger than yours.
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Re: Be careful buying online
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10/27/20 12:37 AM
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This is 2020. If the seller says they won’t take PayPal as a form of payment because they don’t have a PayPal account, time to sign up. If they can post for sale ads from a computer or cellphone, they can take the time and figure out how to sign up for a PayPal account. Sorry to hear about your ordeal. As for 2020 and Paypal. I completely disagree and it doesn't matter what year it is. I have a smartphone and I think I might be able to figure out how to create a Paypal account. I think. But, I won't. Paypal is not the only game in town. Regardless, there are people who simply refuse to do business with certain businesses. I am one. I refuse to do business with Paypal. I recently posted a pair of boots for sale and noted I would not accept Paypal. I got paid through Zelle.
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Re: Be careful buying online
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10/27/20 01:01 AM
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MBTECH85
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This is 2020. If the seller says they won’t take PayPal as a form of payment because they don’t have a PayPal account, time to sign up. If they can post for sale ads from a computer or cellphone, they can take the time and figure out how to sign up for a PayPal account. Sorry to hear about your ordeal. As for 2020 and Paypal. I completely disagree and it doesn't matter what year it is. I have a smartphone and I think I might be able to figure out how to create a Paypal account. I think. But, I won't. Paypal is not the only game in town. Regardless, there are people who simply refuse to do business with certain businesses. I am one. I refuse to do business with Paypal. I recently posted a pair of boots for sale and noted I would not accept Paypal. I got paid through Zelle. It’s a bummer for sure. Just so you know, Zelle offers you no kind of protection whatsoever. It’s completely up to your bank if anything happens.
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Re: Be careful buying online
[Re: The Dude Abides]
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10/27/20 01:36 AM
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Dustnsand
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I would NEVER buy a new or used high end ANYTHING without seeing the item in person or being able to verify who the seller is. Plain and simple. And for the life of me I cannot understand why any 2A supporter would be using PayPal. PFHUCK those clowns! Sometimes online is the only way and PP is as well. If you don't do something then it's easy to see why you don't understand.
Last edited by z71dustin; 10/27/20 01:37 AM.
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Re: Be careful buying online
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10/27/20 01:50 AM
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The Dude Abides
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I would NEVER buy a new or used high end ANYTHING without seeing the item in person or being able to verify who the seller is. Plain and simple. And for the life of me I cannot understand why any 2A supporter would be using PayPal. PFHUCK those clowns! Sometimes online is the only way and PP is as well. If you don't do something then it's easy to see why you don't understand. I pay a metric chit ton of stuff online and with mobile banking/apps. I do understand completely and refuse to use those PayPal clowns. As stated, they are not the only game in town.
I am still looking for the perfect apron, one with reinforced knee areas would be perfect.
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Re: Be careful buying online
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10/27/20 01:51 AM
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This is 2020. If the seller says they won’t take PayPal as a form of payment because they don’t have a PayPal account, time to sign up. If they can post for sale ads from a computer or cellphone, they can take the time and figure out how to sign up for a PayPal account. Sorry to hear about your ordeal. As for 2020 and Paypal. I completely disagree and it doesn't matter what year it is. I have a smartphone and I think I might be able to figure out how to create a Paypal account. I think. But, I won't. Paypal is not the only game in town. Regardless, there are people who simply refuse to do business with certain businesses. I am one. I refuse to do business with Paypal. I recently posted a pair of boots for sale and noted I would not accept Paypal. I got paid through Zelle. It’s a bummer for sure. Just so you know, Zelle offers you no kind of protection whatsoever. It’s completely up to your bank if anything happens. https://www.guntab.com/payment-platform-firearm-policies Zelle "You agree that you will not use the Service to request, send or receive money related to ... Firearms, ammunition or other weapons" Zelle Network User Service Agreement as of 2019-06-09
Combat Infantryman, the ultimate hunter where the prey shoots back. _____________"Illegitimus non carborundum est"_______________
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Re: Be careful buying online
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10/27/20 01:53 AM
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one73maro
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I do FTF deals if at all possible. If not I only do Postal Money Orders when buying off forums. If seller won't take Postal Money Order then I don't buy the item. I have never delt with PP,Zelle,etc and don't plan on starting.
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