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Re: Anybody had altitude sickness hunting in the mountains [Re: Theringworm] #7991399 09/29/20 12:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Theringworm
One of the best resources I have come across online is www.Altitude.org. This website provides an in-depth description of what Acute Mountain Sickness (AMS)/Altitude sickness, High Altitude Pulmonary Edema (HAPE) and High Altitude Cerebral Edema (HACE) are, how they differ, symptoms of each and medical management for each. They also have created a "registry" for people that have suffered from "High Altitude Pulmonary Edema (HAPE)". I would be surprised if this website does not answer or address most of your questions regarding this topic.

I will defer from re-writing definitions, causes, etc of Altitude Sickness since the website does a great job at answering those.

Current recommendations for "PREVENTION" of altitude sickness are the following:

- Acclimatization: above 8,000ft, ascend no faster than you bodies ability to acclimate. Usually 24 hours for every 1,000ft above 8,000ft (some variation in consensus here). This is the BEST preventative treatment/option available. Once above 10,000 ft. move sleeping altitude to no more than 1,600ft in a day. Sleeping at high altitude produces the most hypoxemia; day trips to high altitude with return to low altitude are much less stressful on the body.

- Avoid vigorous/strenuous exercise at elevation until acclimated (roughly 48 hours). Even after acclimatization, go easy, giving your body time to recover.

- Don't smoke, drink alcohol or use medication such as tranquillisers and sleeping pills while you're at altitude, as they could make any symptoms of altitude sickness worse.

- Stay well hydrated.

- Consume a high calorie diet

There are only a handful of evidence based medications effective for prevention and treatment of Acute Mountain Sickness currently that I am aware of.
a. Acetazolamide (Diamox)- 125mg dose twice a day, started 24-48 hours prior to altitude exposure. This is the "go to prescription medication". Higher doses have no added benefit per research studies, yet are typically prescribed. Common side effects are tingling of the hands, toes and face, nausea, & drowsiness. If allergic to Penicillin or Sulfa drugs, this maybe contraindicated for your use.
A few supportive Articles:
http://jtm.oxfordjournals.org/content/19/5/281
http://www.bmj.com/content/328/7443/797

b. Ibuprofen - 600mg three times a day, started 6 hours prior to altitude exposure. Contraindicated if you have a history of stomach ulcers, GI bleed, liver or kidney failure among others. (Not as widely accepted as a preventative medication but support is growing).

A few supportive Articles:
https://med.stanford.edu/news/all-news/2...chers-find.html
http://www.wemjournal.org/article/S1080-6032(12)00274-8/fulltext

c. Dexamethasone - typically used when one has a contraindication to Acetazolamide (I.e. sulphonamide allergy or COPD). While it is effective in preventing and aiding in treatment of AMS, some studies have shown it to inhibit the bodies ability to acclimatize. It also may cause some neurocognitive impairment, mimicking symptoms of AMS.

d. Tadalafil (Cialis)/Sildenafil (Viagra) - these are phosphodiesterase inhibitors which basically work by dilating pulmonary blood vessels thus lowering pulmonary artery pressures which decreases the drive of forcing fluid into the lung tissue decreasing pulmonary edema. These are not first line treatments of AMS Prevention but more geared towards HAPE treatments.

- If you start to develop mild symptoms stay at current altitude or descend
- DESCEND, DESCEND, DESCEND - only truly effective prevention once symptoms present

Current recommendations for TREATMENT for altitude sickness are:
- DESCEND, DESCEND, DESCEND

Really nothing else needs to be said regarding treatment. Once you have true symptoms if you don't descend, much of the above including medications aren't going to have a big impact. You have to descend down the mountain.

As for herbal remedies ie. Gingko biloba - has had widely conflicting results and is not currently recommended. Anti-oxidants (Vit C, E ,& Alpha-lipoeic acid) and magnesium have not shown to be effective. Other remedies/treatments are out there but there is little to no valid literature to support it's use. That's not to say they are not effective. Some haven't been studied in small or large trials.

In the end, use what works for you under direction of a medical professional. Common sense and educating yourself is key. I would seek medical advice prior to taking any of the above as each of us have our own problems/issues. Self medicating can get us in trouble even when it comes to herbal remedies or over the counter medications. I would encourage you to look at the Altitude.org website. Some extremely valuable information there.


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Re: Anybody had altitude sickness hunting in the mountains [Re: cheetah577] #7992252 09/29/20 04:48 PM
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Originally Posted by cheetah577
I've at altitude sickness once. I recommend starting hydration and aspirin to thin your blood a few days before you leave.


Aspirin doesnt thin your blood as much as it lowers clotting. Clots are a problem when your blood thickens at altitude. The only way to prevent blood from thickening is hydration, medication or a supplement.

On a side note, if you want to take something that will noticeably thin your blood take 2 grams or more of fish oil (Omega-3) daily. I prick my finger a bunch every day and the viscosity of my blood trips me out every time I see it. Instead of the drop of blood clumping on the tip of my finger, it either spurts or the drop spreads and flows across my finger tip from surface tension. Its also lighter in color (I take 6 grams a day on the advice of a doc)

I can post a pic next time I stick myself if anyone is interested in seeing what a real blood thinner does smile

Re: Anybody had altitude sickness hunting in the mountains [Re: Gringocazador] #7992264 09/29/20 04:55 PM
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You can also check out some altitude adjusting supplements. MTN OPs makes one and so does Wilderness Athlete thiers is called altitude advantage. I listen to alot of Remi Warren podcasts and he reccommended it. You take these starting a week prior to your trip. I took the MTN ops one before my colorado hunt last year. We went all the way up to 12,000 ft with no issues. They also say if you have a day to spare take a day to get acclimated in higher elevation.



Re: Anybody had altitude sickness hunting in the mountains [Re: Archer Anthony] #7992286 09/29/20 05:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Archer Anthony
You can also check out some altitude adjusting supplements. MTN OPs makes one and so does Wilderness Athlete thiers is called altitude advantage. I listen to alot of Remi Warren podcasts and he reccommended it. You take these starting a week prior to your trip. I took the MTN ops one before my colorado hunt last year. We went all the way up to 12,000 ft with no issues. They also say if you have a day to spare take a day to get acclimated in higher elevation.


.......no offense, but that’s marketing at its finest. None of the studies have shown any benefit from vitamins or herbal supplements except for the placebo effect of you thinking it does something which gets you to increase your fluid intake. Listen to the rockslide podcast with Abigail Lara, MD. She mentions the same about the ineffectiveness of these supplements. Save your money and just buy some NUUN hydration tablets or some Emergen-C or any other electrolyte drink packet mix. They will all be similarly effective at getting you to drink more which is important but offer little to no added benefits beyond that.

Re: Anybody had altitude sickness hunting in the mountains [Re: Gringocazador] #7992291 09/29/20 05:18 PM
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Re: Anybody had altitude sickness hunting in the mountains [Re: BOBO the Clown] #7992294 09/29/20 05:19 PM
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I've seen several guys that need to change their maxipads at elevation but none that were legitimately sick.



I’ve seen AMS a few times, but HAPE only once. When I was at the Academy we went and climbed San Luis. For reference we all lived at 7200ft and my buddy still got HAPE.



I have no idea what any of those acronyms mean.

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