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https://www.newswest9.com/article/n...513-a30477f5-35fb-41cb-97fb-e8aaad6250b2

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Midland Memorial Hospital says inhaled steroid is no 'silver bullet' for COVID-19
"There’s no scientific proof, no carefully evaluated peer review studies, that prove the efficacy of those treatments."

MIDLAND, Texas — It's a story NewsWest 9 broke back in May, and now it seems it is getting more local and national attention.

A controversial treatment for COVID-19 used by an Odessa doctor, Richard Bartlett, who calls it the 'silver bullet' has been brought in front of the world.

Others in the medical profession are not convinced it is what it is cracked up to be.

On Tuesday, Midland Memorial Hospital addressed those claims…again.

Richard Bartlett has been a general practitioner for 28 years. He believes the inhaled steroid, Budesonide, helps alleviate the Cytokine storms COVID patients may experience.


In May, Bartlett told us, “I had a patient with a 50-year history of smoking, bypass surgery and they felt better immediately," he said. "It’s a medicine that’s been out for 25 years but I’ve never seen work so good, it’s like this medicine was made for this pandemic.”

On Tuesday, Midland Memorial Hospital addressed those claims…again.

“People are out there saying it works, but there’s no scientific proof, no carefully evaluated peer review studies that prove the efficacy of those treatments," Russell Meyers, Midland Health CEO, said. "We are not aware of anything that is over-the-counter that would make any difference in their care.”

These hospital officials do not think Dr. Bartlett’s treatment is backed up enough in the medical community.

But they do say treatments like Remdesivir are.

“Do your homework, we’re not making things up in this country there's no conspiracy theory," said Lawrence Wilson, Vice President of Medical Affairs. "There is good information about peer-reviewed data in regards to best practices.”

Wilson is calling on the public to be hesitant over ideas like Bartlett's.

“I want to caution people if it sounds too good to be true and it is being described as the 'silver bullet', well it probably is too good to be true," Wilson said. "The things that medical professional come out with quickly get disseminated."

NewsWest 9 reached out to Dr. Bartlett for comment. His press person tells us that he is swamped with calls and emails about the steroid treatment.

He still stands by his statement that it is the 'silver bullet' for COVID-19.

As for his success rate, he still says it is 100% for the dozen patients he has treated back in May.

We could not confirm how many people he has treated since then.


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I hope that the doctor survives this.

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I will say again, for a disease with a mortality of less than 1%, the sample size to see if it actually was successful or not is several thousand. The sample size for this guy is a couple dozen. If I treated a coupe dozen covid patients with dirt, I would expect to be able to say it worked great, awesome treatment, no one died.

This is nothing but a joke. I mean who treats a few dozen patients then seeks out the news to tell his story? Sorry. I will be called all kinds of names now.

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I'm sure cures for a multitude of ailments started with it working on a few people ...


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Originally Posted by TCM3
I'm sure cures for a multitude of ailments started with it working on a few people ...


Sure but efficacy can’t be measured in double digits for something that infects thousands much less millions.

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I'm sure cures for a multitude of ailments started with it working on a few people ...


Sure but efficacy can’t be measured in double digits for something that infects thousands much less millions.

Good point.


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I will say again, for a disease with a mortality of less than 1%, the sample size to see if it actually was successful or not is several thousand. The sample size for this guy is a couple dozen. If I treated a coupe dozen covid patients with dirt, I would expect to be able to say it worked great, awesome treatment, no one died.

This is nothing but a joke. I mean who treats a few dozen patients then seeks out the news to tell his story? Sorry. I will be called all kinds of names now.

You should be called out for your comment.......so how does he round up several thousand Covid patients to validate his findings? Should he keep secret something he tried on all the patients he had with a 100 percent success rate?
What have you done to contribute to a solution? NOTHING! That’s the joke and it’s on you.....


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Originally Posted by Texas buckeye
I will say again, for a disease with a mortality of less than 1%, the sample size to see if it actually was successful or not is several thousand. The sample size for this guy is a couple dozen. If I treated a coupe dozen covid patients with dirt, I would expect to be able to say it worked great, awesome treatment, no one died.

This is nothing but a joke. I mean who treats a few dozen patients then seeks out the news to tell his story? Sorry. I will be called all kinds of names now.

You should be called out for your comment.......so how does he round up several thousand Covid patients to validate his findings? Should he keep secret something he tried on all the patients he had with a 100 percent success rate?
What have you done to contribute to a solution? NOTHING! That’s the joke and it’s on you.....


Marc, I have tried to educate the public. Apparently I am doing a pretty bad job of it because most folks on here give me nothing but grief about what I say. It’s ok, I am fine with that, since I know what I am saying is correct and no amount of badgering or name calling or harassment will get me to change my tune. I know most on here don’t understand medicine, let alone science, but I try to help.

That isn’t to say I am a know it all, or someone who can not be wrong. I have admitted when something isn’t right and I have admitted when I have been wrong on here, multiple times. What we are talking about above is not a matter of opinion or fact, it is about what science says about a medical treatment. For a treatment to claim to be successful against a disease with a mortality of less than 1%, the number needed to treat in a well designed randomized study is in the thousands. I would never expect any single doctor to treat thousands of covid patients. That is why we have things called multi-center studies, where multiple locations partner up and use the same criteria to study the same thing. That is science and that is how studies are done. In order to say something is a benefit, it takes that much.

Now, having a doctor come on the news and do several interviews/press conferences and say his treatment (which is being used widely in most covid patients since inhaled steroids are a normal treatment for respiratory illness) is a silver bullet or a miracle drug based on a couple dozen patients Is just so off the wall and not scientific it isn’t funny. The fact it makes news (I saw this yesterday from a friend who asked about it, a day before it was posted here) is just an example of the sensationalistic nature of the 24 hr news cycle and the way the media try to make a name for themselves. This isn’t news. It is a doctor doing what doctors do, that is treat patients. What isn’t normal is for a doctor to try and profiteer or become “famous” for treating patients. I don’t know this guy at all, but I know the type. Been around them for decades.

Bottom line is I am sorry I am constantly raining on your parade. I know you didn’t start this thread, but you seem to take offense to me criticizing the scientific method and numbers behind the claim. I am not the one making the claim this is a silver bullet to covid, but I am sure not going to stand by and let it be pushed as such, when even the local docs from the news story agree with what I am saying. To put out misleading info and push that into mainstream is irresponsible. I throw the punches when I see them, not only when they are popular, and certainly won’t back down from someone throwing them back. You should know that.

Like I said, I knew name calling would come, so feel free to pile on more.

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TB, We have already determined you are FOS and have made that decision based on your previous posts.


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Originally Posted by 2Beez
TB, We have already determined you are FOS and have made that decision based on your previous posts.


That’s fine, just ignore my posts then. I don’t go commenting on someone who I think is FOS, though I rarely think anyone is really FOS, I am usually a glass half full kind of guy
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I think a study should be done comparing the efficacy of dirt vs Remdesivir. smile

Wouldn't surprise me if dirt won.


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Does anyone really think this doctor is the first to discover this?

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Corticosteroid inhalers used by asthma patients may help treat COVID-19, researchers to begin human clinical trials
The ultimate goal of the trial is to analyse if the Budesonide inhaler can be used as a low-cost and easily available early intervention therapy for COVID-19 patients to reduce the risks of severe respiratory illness.

The effect that the SARS-CoV-2 virus has on the human respiratory system is very well known now. Recent studies on COVID-19 have shown that the pathogenesis (the manner in which the disease develops) of the virus in the body involves the macrophages (specialised cells that detect and destroy harmful virus or bacteria that have entered the body) of the lungs releasing cytokines which end in hyper-inflammation and a cytokine storm.

A recent study also showed that the steroid dexamethasone, when administered to severely ill COVID-19 patients, can reduce mortality risks.

Steroids, it is stipulated, can inhibit the adhesion and action of cytokines, and by this regulation of the immune response, these drugs can prevent the onset of acute respiratory distress syndrome or ARDS. Keeping this effect of steroids in mind, researchers from Oxford University and the Queensland University of Technology are collaborating on starting human clinical trials of inhaled corticosteroids (ICS) therapy on COVID-19 patients.


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Just a quick glance here I can tell that the doctor is not a Republican because our local dog catcher is definitely not okay with his medical opinion. I could also tell that it is not been through a multimillion dollar study yet because our local mystery doctor is not okay with his medical findings. So what I'm seeing is that a doctor has had some good success using a treatment but it is not acceptable to our local mystery doctor nor is it okay with our dog catcher because the media is not backing with this treatment yet.

so what this doctor needs to do is pay off the media so that dog catcher gets on board and spend a few million dollars in a study so that our mystery doctor approves his treatment.

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Originally Posted by ducknbass
Just a quick glance here I can tell that the doctor is not a Republican because our local dog catcher is definitely not okay with his medical opinion. I could also tell that it is not been through a multimillion dollar study yet because our local mystery doctor is not okay with his medical findings. So what I'm seeing is that a doctor has had some good success using a treatment but it is not acceptable to our local mystery doctor nor is it okay with our dog catcher because the media is not backing with this treatment yet.

so what this doctor needs to do is pay off the media so that dog catcher gets on board and spend a few million dollars in a study so that our mystery doctor approves his treatment.


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TB, We have already determined you are FOS and have made that decision based on your previous posts.


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For someone who is so FOS, you guys seem to care an awful lot about what I say....local mystery doctor, lol.

I will say again, if you don't like what I say then just ignore me. I seem to irritate some of you just by posting anything so I won't be offended if you don't pay attention to me. It won't stop me from posting, I don't need an echo chamber on an internet forum to validate myself.

I am gonna tell you all I will be out for a bit now, so feel free to fan the flames and flame away at me, I won't be responding for several hours up

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Originally Posted by Texas buckeye
For someone who is so FOS, you guys seem to care an awful lot about what I say....local mystery doctor, lol.

I will say again, if you don't like what I say then just ignore me. I seem to irritate some of you just by posting anything so I won't be offended if you don't pay attention to me. It won't stop me from posting, I don't need an echo chamber on an internet forum to validate myself.

I am gonna tell you all I will be out for a bit now, so feel free to fan the flames and flame away at me, I won't be responding for several hours up


You're a legend in your own mind. Can anyone here vouch for this guy's credentials as a virologist or epidemiologist or respiratory disease specialist?


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Originally Posted by Texas buckeye
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Originally Posted by Texas buckeye
I will say again, for a disease with a mortality of less than 1%, the sample size to see if it actually was successful or not is several thousand. The sample size for this guy is a couple dozen. If I treated a coupe dozen covid patients with dirt, I would expect to be able to say it worked great, awesome treatment, no one died.

This is nothing but a joke. I mean who treats a few dozen patients then seeks out the news to tell his story? Sorry. I will be called all kinds of names now.

You should be called out for your comment.......so how does he round up several thousand Covid patients to validate his findings? Should he keep secret something he tried on all the patients he had with a 100 percent success rate?
What have you done to contribute to a solution? NOTHING! That’s the joke and it’s on you.....


Marc, I have tried to educate the public. Apparently I am doing a pretty bad job of it because most folks on here give me nothing but grief about what I say. It’s ok, I am fine with that, since I know what I am saying is correct and no amount of badgering or name calling or harassment will get me to change my tune. I know most on here don’t understand medicine, let alone science, but I try to help.

That isn’t to say I am a know it all, or someone who can not be wrong. I have admitted when something isn’t right and I have admitted when I have been wrong on here, multiple times. What we are talking about above is not a matter of opinion or fact, it is about what science says about a medical treatment. For a treatment to claim to be successful against a disease with a mortality of less than 1%, the number needed to treat in a well designed randomized study is in the thousands. I would never expect any single doctor to treat thousands of covid patients. That is why we have things called multi-center studies, where multiple locations partner up and use the same criteria to study the same thing. That is science and that is how studies are done. In order to say something is a benefit, it takes that much.

Now, having a doctor come on the news and do several interviews/press conferences and say his treatment (which is being used widely in most covid patients since inhaled steroids are a normal treatment for respiratory illness) is a silver bullet or a miracle drug based on a couple dozen patients Is just so off the wall and not scientific it isn’t funny. The fact it makes news (I saw this yesterday from a friend who asked about it, a day before it was posted here) is just an example of the sensationalistic nature of the 24 hr news cycle and the way the media try to make a name for themselves. This isn’t news. It is a doctor doing what doctors do, that is treat patients. What isn’t normal is for a doctor to try and profiteer or become “famous” for treating patients. I don’t know this guy at all, but I know the type. Been around them for decades.

Bottom line is I am sorry I am constantly raining on your parade. I know you didn’t start this thread, but you seem to take offense to me criticizing the scientific method and numbers behind the claim. I am not the one making the claim this is a silver bullet to covid, but I am sure not going to stand by and let it be pushed as such, when even the local docs from the news story agree with what I am saying. To put out misleading info and push that into mainstream is irresponsible. I throw the punches when I see them, not only when they are popular, and certainly won’t back down from someone throwing them back. You should know that.

Like I said, I knew name calling would come, so feel free to pile on more.

This response is a total fail....... You gave yourself too much rope and now you will be eating breakfast, lunch and dinner on word from this long diatribe........this doctor is being interviewed by the national media to simply tell his success story and instead of taking credit, he points out he is one of many doctors all over the world using this treatment........he points out in the interview Shanghai, Singapore and Japan have some of the lowest death numbers because they have been using this treatment as well as others like Hydc........you assumed big time on this one and now you look like an A$$.....


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Originally Posted by Pitchfork Predator
Originally Posted by Texas buckeye
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Originally Posted by Texas buckeye
I will say again, for a disease with a mortality of less than 1%, the sample size to see if it actually was successful or not is several thousand. The sample size for this guy is a couple dozen. If I treated a coupe dozen covid patients with dirt, I would expect to be able to say it worked great, awesome treatment, no one died.

This is nothing but a joke. I mean who treats a few dozen patients then seeks out the news to tell his story? Sorry. I will be called all kinds of names now.

You should be called out for your comment.......so how does he round up several thousand Covid patients to validate his findings? Should he keep secret something he tried on all the patients he had with a 100 percent success rate?
What have you done to contribute to a solution? NOTHING! That’s the joke and it’s on you.....


Marc, I have tried to educate the public. Apparently I am doing a pretty bad job of it because most folks on here give me nothing but grief about what I say. It’s ok, I am fine with that, since I know what I am saying is correct and no amount of badgering or name calling or harassment will get me to change my tune. I know most on here don’t understand medicine, let alone science, but I try to help.

That isn’t to say I am a know it all, or someone who can not be wrong. I have admitted when something isn’t right and I have admitted when I have been wrong on here, multiple times. What we are talking about above is not a matter of opinion or fact, it is about what science says about a medical treatment. For a treatment to claim to be successful against a disease with a mortality of less than 1%, the number needed to treat in a well designed randomized study is in the thousands. I would never expect any single doctor to treat thousands of covid patients. That is why we have things called multi-center studies, where multiple locations partner up and use the same criteria to study the same thing. That is science and that is how studies are done. In order to say something is a benefit, it takes that much.

Now, having a doctor come on the news and do several interviews/press conferences and say his treatment (which is being used widely in most covid patients since inhaled steroids are a normal treatment for respiratory illness) is a silver bullet or a miracle drug based on a couple dozen patients Is just so off the wall and not scientific it isn’t funny. The fact it makes news (I saw this yesterday from a friend who asked about it, a day before it was posted here) is just an example of the sensationalistic nature of the 24 hr news cycle and the way the media try to make a name for themselves. This isn’t news. It is a doctor doing what doctors do, that is treat patients. What isn’t normal is for a doctor to try and profiteer or become “famous” for treating patients. I don’t know this guy at all, but I know the type. Been around them for decades.

Bottom line is I am sorry I am constantly raining on your parade. I know you didn’t start this thread, but you seem to take offense to me criticizing the scientific method and numbers behind the claim. I am not the one making the claim this is a silver bullet to covid, but I am sure not going to stand by and let it be pushed as such, when even the local docs from the news story agree with what I am saying. To put out misleading info and push that into mainstream is irresponsible. I throw the punches when I see them, not only when they are popular, and certainly won’t back down from someone throwing them back. You should know that.

Like I said, I knew name calling would come, so feel free to pile on more.

This response is a total fail....... You gave yourself too much rope and now you will be eating breakfast, lunch and dinner on word from this long diatribe........this doctor is being interviewed by the national media to simply tell his success story and instead of taking credit, he points out he is one of many doctors all over the world using this treatment........he points out in the interview Shanghai, Singapore and Japan have some of the lowest death numbers because they have been using this treatment as well as others like Hydc........you assumed big time on this one and now you look like an A$$.....


That's not diatribe... That style is nothing like Socrates, Teles, Epictetus and the sort...

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