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Newly released video shows N.J. trooper fatally shooting unarmed black man #7865441 06/09/20 05:18 PM
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More sh1t is about to hit the fan.

The video has gaps in the recording and doesnt capure every momt of the confrontation in its entirity but it contains more than eno to establish what occured and why. The trooper needs to be held accountable. He made an error of judgement that needlessly cost the man his life and the error is so fundamental to his profession Id be suprised if the DA doesnt charge the trooper with criminal offense involving professional negligence. It. crosses a line that should be labeled criminal and professional negligence imho. His mistake was failing to recognize an issue staring him square in the face and mind blowng to think thatthe man was shot needlessly SIX TIMES. Situational Awareness is a foundational element that every LEO HAS to master to be considered functionally competent to work in his profession. His mistake is pretty damn significanIft and painfully obvious to the extreme. Watch the video, if he's no-billed by the grand jury, it would be a travesty of ustice.
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Re: Newly released video shows N.J. trooper fatally shooting unarmed black man [Re: aerangis] #7865449 06/09/20 05:25 PM
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There's more to the story than the video shows. The guy was having massive temperament swings and had been pulled over twice already that day for running in excess of 100MPH. He was on course to kill himself and possibly others. I bet the toxicology report is very revealing.


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Re: Newly released video shows N.J. trooper fatally shooting unarmed black man [Re: aerangis] #7865453 06/09/20 05:33 PM
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Re: Newly released video shows N.J. trooper fatally shooting unarmed black man [Re: aerangis] #7865483 06/09/20 06:03 PM
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The video I saw didn’t show much. Showed a fight then a shot.

Maybe you have a different video.

Re: Newly released video shows N.J. trooper fatally shooting unarmed black man [Re: aerangis] #7865496 06/09/20 06:23 PM
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Will some THFer please post up the video? confused2


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Re: Newly released video shows N.J. trooper fatally shooting unarmed black man [Re: aerangis] #7865503 06/09/20 06:31 PM
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Re: Newly released video shows N.J. trooper fatally shooting unarmed black man [Re: aerangis] #7865507 06/09/20 06:32 PM
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Im aware of one video. the same one on the site linked in the post. The mistake is glaring and obvious long before the video ends. If you dont recognize it could it be a simple lack of awareness of use of force procedural guidelines in LEA and various methods of threat mitigation?
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Im not a licensed peace officer and I recognized it before the video came to an end. Its not anything requiring special lknowledge or super powers to figure out smile

I'll throw this out there to see if it fills the gap in your data set set; The trooper was in control of the encounter from start to finish. He made a series of mistakes and failing to recognize he was in control of the situation was one of them.

If that doesnt make the lightbulb go off .nothing will. I basically stated tthe nature of his mistake and explained it sufficiently in the hint In the paragraph above this sentence.


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Re: Newly released video shows N.J. trooper fatally shooting unarmed black man [Re: aerangis] #7865520 06/09/20 06:44 PM
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Oh, and the Washington Compost sucks. That article was horrible.


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Re: Newly released video shows N.J. trooper fatally shooting unarmed black man [Re: aerangis] #7865521 06/09/20 06:44 PM
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Originally Posted by aerangis
Im aware of one video. the same one on the site linked in the post. The mistake is glaring and obvious long before the video ends. If you dont recognize it could it be a simple lack of awareness of use of force procedural guidelines in LEA and various methods of threat mitigation?
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Im not a licensed peace officer and I recognized it before the video came to an end. Its not anything requiring special lknowledge or super powers to figure out smile


Instead of repeatedly referring to what is so glaringly obvious that everyone who thinks the officer was justified is missing why don't you just state what procedural guideline the office failed to comply with.

Re: Newly released video shows N.J. trooper fatally shooting unarmed black man [Re: aerangis] #7865522 06/09/20 06:46 PM
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Doesn't look like the trooper did anything wrong to me.

Re: Newly released video shows N.J. trooper fatally shooting unarmed black man [Re: aerangis] #7865528 06/09/20 06:52 PM
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Maybe he tried to take the cop's gun? That video doesn't show much at all. So freakin' sick of this racist war on police. If you don't wanna get shot or harmed in any other manner, just do these 3 things.

1) Don't break the law.

2) Whether you are guilty or innocent, do what the LEO asks you to do. Obey his commands, lemme see your hands means just that. Get in the car means just that. STOP right there means just that.

3) If being arrested, don't fight the police.


All these morons think they can just do whatever they want, showing no respect to authority whatsoever. Just do what's asked of you and don't fight the cops. Fight your battle in court. C'mon man.

Re: Newly released video shows N.J. trooper fatally shooting unarmed black man [Re: aerangis] #7865533 06/09/20 06:54 PM
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How would everyone describe what happened in that video? It looks to me like the officer made the stop, civilian got out of the car, cop out him back in, a few moments go by, the dude attacks the cop, they tussle for a bit and in the struggle, the cop shoots him. From the video, it's hard to say if he did or didn't go for the cops gun. Do folks see something different? Too many folks are getting killed by cops, but I think I'm with the officer on this one.

Re: Newly released video shows N.J. trooper fatally shooting unarmed black man [Re: aerangis] #7865545 06/09/20 07:00 PM
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Guy was high
Trooper was accommodating
Guy runs and tries to take patrol car
Trooper uses pepper spray IAW escalation of force
Guy goes for troopers gun
Guy gets shot.

If this is the truth then there’s nothing more to discuss. Being unarmed doesn’t mean someone isn’t a deadly threat. If you go for a cops firearm, you should expect to get shot.

Re: Newly released video shows N.J. trooper fatally shooting unarmed black man [Re: Txhunter65] #7865546 06/09/20 07:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Txhunter65
Originally Posted by aerangis
Im aware of one video. the same one on the site linked in the post. The mistake is glaring and obvious long before the video ends. If you dont recognize it could it be a simple lack of awareness of use of force procedural guidelines in LEA and various methods of threat mitigation?
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Im not a licensed peace officer and I recognized it before the video came to an end. Its not anything requiring special lknowledge or super powers to figure out smile


Instead of repeatedly referring to what is so glaringly obvious that everyone who thinks the officer was justified is missing why don't you just state what procedural guideline the office failed to comply with.



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Re: Newly released video shows N.J. trooper fatally shooting unarmed black man [Re: aerangis] #7865547 06/09/20 07:01 PM
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Here's a 16 minute video that provides more context. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8KT99v-DSr8


It's a tragic situation but I think this guy had some serious mental issues going on.
If I'm not mistaken either a friend or a family member called the police on him earlier voicing their concern.

Re: Newly released video shows N.J. trooper fatally shooting unarmed black man [Re: aerangis] #7865553 06/09/20 07:07 PM
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Are you talking about the guy not being cuffed?

I don't watch much video of cops doing their jobs, so I can't really figure out what you are talking about other than the video was not very helpful for watching much of anything.

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I am so tired of people like the OP beating up on police for doing their job. This guy was a criminal that made some bad decisions and tried to take the police officers gun. With that happening, this is the best outcome.

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Originally Posted by aerangis
More sh1t is about to hit the fan.

The video has gaps in the recording and doesnt capure every momt of the confrontation in its entirity but it contains more than eno to establish what occured and why. The trooper needs to be held accountable. He made an error of judgement that needlessly cost the man his life and the error is so fundamental to his profession Id be suprised if the DA doesnt charge the trooper with criminal offense involving professional negligence. It. crosses a line that should be labeled criminal and professional negligence imho. His mistake was failing to recognize an issue staring him square in the face and mind blowng to think thatthe man was shot needlessly SIX TIMES. Situational Awareness is a foundational element that every LEO HAS to master to be considered functionally competent to work in his profession. His mistake is pretty damn significanIft and painfully obvious to the extreme. Watch the video, if he's no-billed by the grand jury, it would be a travesty of ustice.
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Not sure what video you were watching, but looked like a good shoot to me. "Shot needlessly SIX TIMES." So exactly how many times would you shoot someone to stop them from taking your gun in the heat of the moment? It is easy to sit back and critique this officer when you're safe behind your keyboard.


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Originally Posted by 68A
Guy was high
Trooper was accommodating
Guy runs and tries to take patrol car
Trooper uses pepper spray IAW escalation of force
Guy goes for troopers gun
Guy gets shot.

If this is the truth then there’s nothing more to discuss. Being unarmed doesn’t mean someone isn’t a deadly threat. If you go for a cops firearm, you should expect to get shot.


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Re: Newly released video shows N.J. trooper fatally shooting unarmed black man [Re: aerangis] #7865575 06/09/20 07:18 PM
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Originally Posted by aerangis
Im aware of one video. the same one on the site linked in the post. The mistake is glaring and obvious long before the video ends. If you dont recognize it could it be a simple lack of awareness of use of force procedural guidelines in LEA and various methods of threat mitigation?
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Im not a licensed peace officer and I recognized it before the video came to an end. Its not anything requiring special lknowledge or super powers to figure out smile

I'll throw this out there to see if it fills the gap in your data set set; The trooper was in control of the encounter from start to finish. He made a series of mistakes and failing to recognize he was in control of the situation was one of them.

If that doesnt make the lightbulb go off .nothing will. I basically stated tthe nature of his mistake and explained it sufficiently in the hint In the paragraph above this sentence.



Garbage.



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Originally Posted by skinnerback
Maybe he tried to take the cop's gun? That video doesn't show much at all. So freakin' sick of this racist war on police. If you don't wanna get shot or harmed in any other manner, just do these 3 things.

1) Don't break the law.

2) Whether you are guilty or innocent, do what the LEO asks you to do. Obey his commands, lemme see your hands means just that. Get in the car means just that. STOP right there means just that.

3) If being arrested, don't fight the police.


All these morons think they can just do whatever they want, showing no respect to authority whatsoever. Just do what's asked of you and don't fight the cops. Fight your battle in court. C'mon man.

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Daddy always told me never to argue with a man in uniform who wears a gun for a living.

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Originally Posted by Hudbone
Daddy always told me never to argue with a man in uniform who wears a gun for a living.



I try to follow the advice of "don't argue with the guy holding the mic, you will never win"

Same concept, same results. you lose both ways

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