I know five people that wood attest that's exactly what happened. Others would to , but they're too afraid of reprisals from you cuz they still want to shoot at your range and they don't want to get banned forever because they disagreed with you. You definitely insisted on the Mulligan stage. And you never had one at any other match.

Not how it happended. Last words I heard were "let me think about it".

And a friend wouldn't tear up another friend's place. Months prior you were told by me "if it was anyone else, I would kick you off". All I got back was "I'm sorry". So then I spent a day, in the summer running tractor and skidsteer fixing the land, spending time and diesel, and hours on my equipment.

But I let it go, and then came up with a new price. Heard "let me think about it" and that was it until bringing it up openly on a forum. Just like I told Mikeal that's chickenchit.

I pay way too much at my range...
well, at least I thought I did.

Ok, don't come back.

And because the mulligan wasn't my idea.

And you're the first person to say I'm not fair. What's the common thread here?

trying to share? or trying to get other people to pay for it.

I have no dog in this fight, and don't know any of you personally. But I am a landowner, and have worked hard for getting what I have and have found that nobody treats or respects my land or properties the way I do.

Your signature says "800 yard steel range, Precision rifle instruction, Memberships and Classes Available."
That implies you built the range as a business investment, and should have been aware of all the associated problems that come with having customers. Your range, your choice of what you charge, your choice of who you admit, but also your sole responsibility for risk and expenses and sunk costs and upkeep.

So, I'm supposed to give it away, because I'm a millionaire? Well, I'm not.

Risk vs. reward.

Ever ran a business? Or do you depend on charity? Because lenders do not run on charity.

Kind of.

Ive never been to your place and never will because I can tell from talking to you on here you and I will not get along. I got nothing against you and I try to be civil. From the outside looking in you should have kept your "HOME" and your "Gun Range/business" separate.

You are such a liar I've been trying to refrain from saying that but you keep forcing the issue you were the only one who kept bringing up the word Mulligan . Be a man and own it.

And not to worry I was never going to Grace you with my presence again.

So, even if it happened like you say, it was not a unilateral decision...it was a group decision.....not the “Jason changed the rules in the middle of the match” as you originally stated.

You could tell he was dug in and he wanted to redo that stage no one wanted to have an argument with him about it even though it was unfair we gave him his way so that we can enjoy the rest of the day. No one agreed with him until after 30 to 40 minutes of him constantly wanting to redo it. Jason's place Jason's rules if you and Jason think that is fair then good for you. If you can't understand that then I can't help you

He should have took is 0 like a man and never asked to redo the stage and put everybody in the position to have to say no . After his insistence people gave in to keep Harmony for the day or he would have thrown an absolute fit as he'd always does when he doesn't get his way.

It's simple he would have never done that for 90% of the people that go out there only his couple close friends would have he done that. If you don't believe that then you are lying to yourself also.

I understand exactly what your saying and the scenario described....I also understand from this thread that there was some previous animosity between the two you which could slant your view of things. There’s several ways this scenario could have played out depending on how you look at things. The one fact here is that, however it played out, it was a group decision.

Based on that I must come to the conclusion that ‘Liar, liar, pants on fire’ is applicable here.

Carry on.

You're seeing what many of us have seen and pointed out for years. I called him out for what I truly believe him to be in our last conversation, no need to discuss anything with him in the future. From what I'm seeing in this thread maybe JP should treat him like FJG treated Chad and start charging him for advertising since he certainly does allot of self promotion and business promotion. Maybe hit him up for damages due to members he's run off.

I've shot in a ton of pistol and rifle matches, I've never seen a mulligan offered or used. Him asking for that doesn't surprise me. 2 or 3 years ago he set up the first THF hunting rifle challenge and I wanted to shoot, it was a shoot what you hunt with challenge. When he found out what I was bringing he said I couldn't compete and then limited the rifles to 3000 fps or slower. I guess 257 and 300 Weatherby's aren't real hunting rifles anymore.

I think everyone knows that Jason is Jason, and I love to poke at him on here for any reason that will get under his skin. But, this scenario to me sounds like a situation of hooking up a buddy vs. a buddy making money off of you. Those are two separate things to me personally. In my line of work for instance, if we’re buddies and you want me to spend a little time doing something to help you personally then odds are I’ll do it for free or almost free. If you keep coming to me for it and are profiting off of the favor, then the dynamic has changed and so will the price. I would think any businessman would understand the difference. If you’re selling the same thing I’m selling but you’re using me to sell it, then absolutely you’re going to pay up or it’s not going to work between us. I’m sure Garvey’s delivery wasn’t the best, but I think he’s right on this one.







I could see this happening possibly, but I why are you waiting till now to call him out on it? What actions did you take on the day of?

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Isn’t the 3000 FPS limit to limit damage to targets at close range? I’m pretty sure I’ve seen some ranges not let you shoot 3000 FPS on any targets under 200 yards.

Correct, Shaner, FJG has pointed out many times that it’s not bullet weight that damages steel, it’s speed.

This got exciting

I don't doubt that at all but that's not the way he originally sold the idea. I'm not a plate banger, I'm a hunter, and I was bringing hunting rifles. I've got a couple of plates (Gong's) on the big ranch that have been shot at for well over 25 years with just about everything shy of a 50 cal with no permanent damage other than dimples. Ones an old separator hatch and the other came from an old pipeline across the ranch, both are inch and a half thick mild steel. I was unaware you had to worry about too much gun.

Pretty much sums it up for me. I was interested at one time but just been rubbed the wrong way too many times from posts on here.

This ain’t exciting at all. It’s F’n sad, and it has been done where the ENTIRE dam world can see. JG is right about that part. It could have been done privately. Now there are people teaming up, people are voicing their complaints publicly after ALL this time. I don’t even pretend to know the dynamic between these two and I could a rat’s hairy azz. Both were pretty much regarded badazzes in their field, and they still are but look at all this unnecessary negativity that’s been brought on them both because of it ALL being brought forth publically, nobody will benefit from any of it.


The mods should delete all of it so nobody could ever look it up ever again, due to the sheer level of crap it’s brought upon you both. A public accusation by one, and inability to refrain by the other. Nevermind my opinions because they don’t mean anything anyway but y’all are pro’s and I look up to ya both. Quit it