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 Re: Who owns Texas wildlife?
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So in other words, if you shoot a deer near a fence and it runs onto your neighbor's property, you're totally at his/her mercy to give it to you, correct? Otherwise, they have the legal right to keep it for themselves since they own it as much as you do even though you may have shot it.
What about non-native game that gets out and onto your property? Is it treated the same way as livestock?
Thats the sad thing... Here its always been, #'er1) tis hunters responcability to do every thing can ta retrieve wounded animal...& 99&1/2 of the land owners understand this & work with hunters... Last deer taken, it went on othrr property, asked permission, no problem. Last lease had was one signed paper, sons stand was at end of lease, away from fence, down in valley, were we seen lots of sign, trails, rubs scraps... We put corn feeders, & walked the garden till down & tilled area, ol scool, very little change ta area... Walking down fence line ta his area. Noticed hunters on ajoining land had corn on fence row & set-up along fence...  tis thar side... at least felt bullets not gonna go across fence. Both places only 200 - 300 acres... One of the times walked fence, seen & chatted with hunter.. Told him were our stands were & camp area, & if they did get deer & it jumped fence.. Ta swing by camp, (that way didnt mess up our hunts) & we would help retrieve deer... When first got lease, walked fence ta know area, found a wooden feeder just inside our fence with corn, & noticed a stand in tree, on other side, bow range... Did take corn, twas on our side, & left note, thanking for corn... Had seen owner of land later, never brought up incedent, (who ever put corn thar quit) so no need. Had friendly chat... Seen lots of HFvsLF debates, with the fence line hunters.. Just my  les chance of stray bullets. most time fence tis ta back of stand,  much safer, they know thar lease better than ajoining lease... Big Buck$ changed hunting...  tis first time seen term my deer, pay ta play & few other terms... This post will offend sum... complain about me grammer... 
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Re: Who owns Texas wildlife?
[Re: 1860.colt]
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04/25/20 01:58 PM
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So in other words, if you shoot a deer near a fence and it runs onto your neighbor's property, you're totally at his/her mercy to give it to you, correct? Otherwise, they have the legal right to keep it for themselves since they own it as much as you do even though you may have shot it.
What about non-native game that gets out and onto your property? Is it treated the same way as livestock?
Thats the sad thing... Here its always been, #'er1) tis hunters responcability to do every thing can ta retrieve wounded animal...& 99&1/2 of the land owners understand this & work with hunters... Last deer taken, it went on othrr property, asked permission, no problem. Last lease had was one signed paper, sons stand was at end of lease, away from fence, down in valley, were we seen lots of sign, trails, rubs scraps... We put corn feeders, & walked the garden till down & tilled area, ol scool, very little change ta area... Walking down fence line ta his area. Noticed hunters on ajoining land had corn on fence row & set-up along fence... tis thar side... at least felt bullets not gonna go across fence. Both places only 200 - 300 acres... One of the times walked fence, seen & chatted with hunter.. Told him were our stands were & camp area, & if they did get deer & it jumped fence.. Ta swing by camp, (that way didnt mess up our hunts) & we would help retrieve deer... When first got lease, walked fence ta know area, found a wooden feeder just inside our fence with corn, & noticed a stand in tree, on other side, bow range... Did take corn, twas on our side, & left note, thanking for corn... Had seen owner of land later, never brought up incedent, (who ever put corn thar quit) so no need. Had friendly chat... Seen lots of HFvsLF debates, with the fence line hunters.. Just my les chance of stray bullets. most time fence tis ta back of stand, much safer, they know thar lease better than ajoining lease... Big Buck$ changed hunting... tis first time seen term my deer, pay ta play & few other terms... This post will offend sum... complain about me grammer... I can relate to this but it's a two way deal with good and bad on both sides. At the end of the day, I think that our majority private land with the management minded hunters is better for conservation of our natural resources, than the alternative. I think it has been proven in this state. I read alot of stuff lately about an artificially boosted number and quality of deer on a given piece of land. Also seen stuff about how this increaes likelyhood of spreading disease, may have as much to do with the spread of cwd and etc than importing deer. But it's not just the deer that benefit from it. All the other animals are reaping benefits from this model, including the reptiles. Even if a landowner and all the hunters on a lease smoke every rattler they see, it would not compare to he devastation that would come from public access to the land. But it comes at the sacrifice of opportunity for new hunters, which isn't very good for the sport. As long as TPWD continues trying to boost the quality and access for public land, I think we will be better off with the private landowners running their property the way they are now vs in the past and I bet most agree with that. Forgive me for not remembering your handle- who was it that always speaks of accountBility for the land managers of our public lands? I am starting to understand that now. 1.5million acres... lets work on improving it.
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Re: Who owns Texas wildlife?
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04/25/20 04:19 PM
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Bryan C. depends on persons defanition of quality deer... i keep an open mind on this forum, all D (grammer) yokes... Take "Smith County" ... 83 & no telling years before 1 deer county... Tried get 1 doe tag. Roughly 200acrer. Told NO, not enough deer... New the land way better, fuxed fences, bailed parrie hay, & lived out doors whin off... Dude saying no, might had degree, speek good engalish, but didnt impess me.. Stop think about it... tis sure You smarter dan me. .  Buck Only !!! So heard bout lease with 24-7-365hog hunts...  Have gun, will travel, for under a buck a day... Still hunted S of the house, had food plot, legal thar, corn feeders... No hog problems... Seen the games played on leases... Personaly know people who argued about the "bigger racks"  yet ta have some one give a good recipy for antler stew. Thar definition of quality deer tis differant... Just cause i donts typs fancy of have a degree, donts meen i cant seperat d  from d rest of d crap. Most have me on thar ignorance list, thats cool.. 3 types of hunters. . People work hard for their money... i wake up ta alien body parts every morning... Adapt, over come, & improvies... Hunter1) told hunter2) he pays for the lease & legally takes deer.. Tis like person telling another (put back the hambergur & take the steak). Then hunter1 buts the 10/90 hambergur... The ground shrinkage game... seen it done. Later, hunter1) gets on lease for bigger racks. 5yr lease they do all the work, fancy cabin for luctury, time, work, & effort.. Only for land owner ta turn around, show what the hunters done ta other hunters at end of 5 years.. Hunters meet ta renew lease & get sold out by land owner... It happens alot in dont fool yourself... Tis why say "twas a Blessing whin a WMA opened up just down the road.." Was on it first year, for the hogs, they had (few) started making thar way up creeks ta me food plots & feeders. So hunted the hogs, whin showed up thar, & WMA archery/hog & the hog any legal meens... Seen bug improvement of quality deer, over the years, Archery Only Deer hunts...  so took me bow in had & took a stand... Even whin Smith county went ta 4 deer county... Not enough deer , from 1 doe tag ta 4 deer ? Whats your defanition of quality deer ? Lots of polatics... Whin ya follow a manure spreader, can be tough seperating the from the rest of the crap pappy Grammer humor  too many follow d rule guns dont kill, reason they using posion ta control hogs... All the fancy  first AK's then the AR's made differance on hogs at WMA, The yearly flooding, push's hogs ta higher ground ta the 24-7-365 land owners.. & after water goes down hogs return due ta limited opertunities... Still got cheap posts... Best Wish's...
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Re: Who owns Texas wildlife?
[Re: 1860.colt]
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04/25/20 06:36 PM
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So in other words, if you shoot a deer near a fence and it runs onto your neighbor's property, you're totally at his/her mercy to give it to you, correct? Otherwise, they have the legal right to keep it for themselves since they own it as much as you do even though you may have shot it.
What about non-native game that gets out and onto your property? Is it treated the same way as livestock?
Thats the sad thing... Here its always been, #'er1) tis hunters responcability to do every thing can ta retrieve wounded animal...& 99&1/2 of the land owners understand this & work with hunters... Last deer taken, it went on othrr property, asked permission, no problem. Last lease had was one signed paper, sons stand was at end of lease, away from fence, down in valley, were we seen lots of sign, trails, rubs scraps... We put corn feeders, & walked the garden till down & tilled area, ol scool, very little change ta area... Walking down fence line ta his area. Noticed hunters on ajoining land had corn on fence row & set-up along fence... tis thar side... at least felt bullets not gonna go across fence. Both places only 200 - 300 acres... One of the times walked fence, seen & chatted with hunter.. Told him were our stands were & camp area, & if they did get deer & it jumped fence.. Ta swing by camp, (that way didnt mess up our hunts) & we would help retrieve deer... When first got lease, walked fence ta know area, found a wooden feeder just inside our fence with corn, & noticed a stand in tree, on other side, bow range... Did take corn, twas on our side, & left note, thanking for corn... Had seen owner of land later, never brought up incedent, (who ever put corn thar quit) so no need. Had friendly chat... Seen lots of HFvsLF debates, with the fence line hunters.. Just my les chance of stray bullets. most time fence tis ta back of stand, much safer, they know thar lease better than ajoining lease... Big Buck$ changed hunting... tis first time seen term my deer, pay ta play & few other terms... This post will offend sum... complain about me grammer... I don’t think big bucks have changed hunting, I think the understanding of eco-systems have changed hunting. Big bucks are just a product of a healthy system. The original goal of B&C score was to highlight areas that have above average nutrition, age structure and genetics. The genetics is an expression of of the first two. When you start managing landscapes similar to how Mother Nature did it you start seeing the capabilities of genetics actually expressed and you start seeing the other critters doing well also(we just manage out, Mother Nature’s big swings and keep everything more even, via our hands on managed property. IMO atleast
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Re: Who owns Texas wildlife?
[Re: KWood_TSU]
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04/25/20 08:10 PM
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The biggest change to hunting was the change from using it to support your family in the past, for sport now.
Barring this pandemic, you don't need to hunt for food anymore.
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Re: Who owns Texas wildlife?
[Re: KWood_TSU]
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04/25/20 08:20 PM
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The biggest change to hunting was the change from using it to support your family in the past, for sport now.
Barring this pandemic, you don't need to hunt for food anymore. Under current laws, It’s easier to shot a 4w yearling or a sheep or goat, I don’t even think it’s hunting for ones food. It’s Market gunning vs “laws and regulations”. Grand scheme of things substance hunting technically died about pre 1900 for vast majority of America
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Re: Who owns Texas wildlife?
[Re: BOBO the Clown]
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04/25/20 09:34 PM
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The biggest change to hunting was the change from using it to support your family in the past, for sport now.
Barring this pandemic, you don't need to hunt for food anymore. Under current laws, It’s easier to shot a 4w yearling or a sheep or goat, I don’t even think it’s hunting for ones food. It’s Market gunning vs “laws and regulations”. Grand scheme of things substance hunting technically died about pre 1900 for vast majority of America I agree. Early 1900's most of our game had been wiped out, via market hunting. Compare the US population then with now. If everybody tried hunting for survival we would starve. Maybe some of the states on the far borth border, and Canada, would make it. Given they were smart enough and made enouh preparations to survive the winter without the comforts of modern covilization. Fishing maybe? Not really. Without our aggressive restocking programs we would wipe the reservoirs out just as fast.
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Re: Who owns Texas wildlife?
[Re: 1860.colt]
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04/26/20 05:49 AM
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Bryan C. depends on persons defanition of quality deer... i keep an open mind on this forum, all D (grammer) yokes... Take "Smith County" ... 83 & no telling years before 1 deer county... Tried get 1 doe tag. Roughly 200acrer. Told NO, not enough deer... New the land way better, fuxed fences, bailed parrie hay, & lived out doors whin off... Dude saying no, might had degree, speek good engalish, but didnt impess me.. Stop think about it... tis sure You smarter dan me. . Buck Only !!! So heard bout lease with 24-7-365hog hunts... Have gun, will travel, for under a buck a day... Still hunted S of the house, had food plot, legal thar, corn feeders... No hog problems... Seen the games played on leases... Personaly know people who argued about the "bigger racks" yet ta have some one give a good recipy for antler stew. Thar definition of quality deer tis differant... Just cause i donts typs fancy of have a degree, donts meen i cant seperat d from d rest of d crap. Most have me on thar ignorance list, thats cool.. 3 types of hunters. . People work hard for their money... i wake up ta alien body parts every morning... Adapt, over come, & improvies... Hunter1) told hunter2) he pays for the lease & legally takes deer.. Tis like person telling another (put back the hambergur & take the steak). Then hunter1 buts the 10/90 hambergur... The ground shrinkage game... seen it done. Later, hunter1) gets on lease for bigger racks. 5yr lease they do all the work, fancy cabin for luctury, time, work, & effort.. Only for land owner ta turn around, show what the hunters done ta other hunters at end of 5 years.. Hunters meet ta renew lease & get sold out by land owner... It happens alot in dont fool yourself... Tis why say "twas a Blessing whin a WMA opened up just down the road.." Was on it first year, for the hogs, they had (few) started making thar way up creeks ta me food plots & feeders. So hunted the hogs, whin showed up thar, & WMA archery/hog & the hog any legal meens... Seen bug improvement of quality deer, over the years, Archery Only Deer hunts... so took me bow in had & took a stand... Even whin Smith county went ta 4 deer county... Not enough deer , from 1 doe tag ta 4 deer ? Whats your defanition of quality deer ? Lots of polatics... Whin ya follow a manure spreader, can be tough seperating the from the rest of the crap pappy Grammer humor too many follow d rule guns dont kill, reason they using posion ta control hogs... All the fancy first AK's then the AR's made differance on hogs at WMA, The yearly flooding, push's hogs ta higher ground ta the 24-7-365 land owners.. & after water goes down hogs return due ta limited opertunities... Still got cheap posts... Best Wish's... I would argue, that you are one of the brightest dudes posting in the forum. Nobody else has the combination of wit, tact, and entertainment that you present in your posts. I doubt if I am the only one that has noticed, but everyone plays along with the "colt 45 just a old school e.tx hillbilly". But there is alot of valuable stuff mixed in there with the hick-latin. I'm sure you wouldn't have it any other way. Thanks for all the great posts
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Re: Who owns Texas wildlife?
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04/26/20 12:38 PM
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me tinks yould loose that argument..
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Re: Who owns Texas wildlife?
[Re: KWood_TSU]
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04/26/20 10:40 PM
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How can we, the residents of the State own something yet have no say over it?
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Re: Who owns Texas wildlife?
[Re: don k]
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How can we, the residents of the State own something yet have no say over it? Honest truth- I think it's just the best way to create a balance in the haves vs the have nots. Vast majority of Texas' wildlife is on private property, vast majority of Texas' citizens are not land owners. The only thing that keeps out wildlife from being bought, sold, and shipped away is that it belongs to the people. Landowners still technically can sell their deer, they just have to be shot there on the property. Trophy hunts all over Texas, you can pay by the inch. Not just Texas either. Trust me I have thought alot about it over the past year. As a have not (i am not a landowners) I prefer the way it is here for one reason- cost prohibitive hunts and strict rules on leases has benefitted Texas wildlife greatly. If you don't like it, suck it up a few years and hunt public. Save your money and get a lease one year or buy a hunt one year. Whole lot of people will never be able to hunt at all. Alot of public land in the western states but the best fishing is hard to access with weird rules like can't put your feet on the bottom, i kid you not, in some regions. It is a work in progress with the public access and there are problems but in time we will get there. And public lands with management minded landowners nearby will also be awesome as long as the access is limited enough to maintain quality deer and habitat, and keep local landowners happy. For landowners that is tough, when you are trying to hang on to a large property I am sure, that you can manage and develop tropht deer and you can't buy and sell. You can't sell your whitetails or mule deer... but as I understand it the elk are not listed in the same category in Texas and can be bought and sold pretty much. Plus exotics like red stag... that is my dream hunt, a free ranging trophy red stag hunt. Probably will never happen. A lot of people will never even have a trophy buck in their sights. I might not and that is ok. As a have not- at the end of the day, what is more important to you- access to, or the existence of quality habitat and deer and other wildlife?
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Re: Who owns Texas wildlife?
[Re: KWood_TSU]
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04/27/20 01:37 AM
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So are we just paying a trespass fee if whitetail deer belong to the people?
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Re: Who owns Texas wildlife?
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04/27/20 02:05 AM
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How can we, the residents of the State own something yet have no say over it? Honest truth- I think it's just the best way to create a balance in the haves vs the have nots. Vast majority of Texas' wildlife is on private property, vast majority of Texas' citizens are not land owners. The only thing that keeps out wildlife from being bought, sold, and shipped away is that it belongs to the people. Landowners still technically can sell their deer, they just have to be shot there on the property. Trophy hunts all over Texas, you can pay by the inch. Not just Texas either. Trust me I have thought alot about it over the past year. As a have not (i am not a landowners) I prefer the way it is here for one reason- cost prohibitive hunts and strict rules on leases has benefitted Texas wildlife greatly. If you don't like it, suck it up a few years and hunt public. Save your money and get a lease one year or buy a hunt one year. Whole lot of people will never be able to hunt at all. Alot of public land in the western states but the best fishing is hard to access with weird rules like can't put your feet on the bottom, i kid you not, in some regions. It is a work in progress with the public access and there are problems but in time we will get there. And public lands with management minded landowners nearby will also be awesome as long as the access is limited enough to maintain quality deer and habitat, and keep local landowners happy. For landowners that is tough, when you are trying to hang on to a large property I am sure, that you can manage and develop tropht deer and you can't buy and sell. You can't sell your whitetails or mule deer... but as I understand it the elk are not listed in the same category in Texas and can be bought and sold pretty much. Plus exotics like red stag... that is my dream hunt, a free ranging trophy red stag hunt. Probably will never happen. A lot of people will never even have a trophy buck in their sights. I might not and that is ok. As a have not- at the end of the day, what is more important to you- access to, or the existence of quality habitat and deer and other wildlife? I like the depth of thought!!! I personally think it comes down to simply a way to prevent extirpation of native flora as a sustainable resource in the late 1800’s/early 1900’s, due to market driven over harvest I think the resource has changed in perception since then, it was first a thing of value(market gunning), next it was then protected and became a cost factor for the now dominant ag production that replaced the need for market gunning, then evolved back into a thing of value based off an alternative to domestic live stock practices and traditional use practices. If my revenue off a native wildlife exceeds my ag losses caused by it, I look more favorable on it as part of a sustainable landscape, that’s where we are now.
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Re: Who owns Texas wildlife?
[Re: KWood_TSU]
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04/27/20 02:25 AM
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my lease has low fence, high fence, and high fence with enormous holes in it that the neighbors hunt in high racks... forgetting that kind of [censored] is why the high fence went up in the first place, and that they'll also find all those holes have been sealed up over the summer time.
as for a philosophical debate on who "owns" deer... just keep buying your license, and getting legal access to land to hunt. That isn't changing
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Re: Who owns Texas wildlife?
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So are we just paying a trespass fee if whitetail deer belong to the people? I wouldn't call it a trespass fee. That kind of assumes the landowner doesn't care about the wildlife and is only worried about trespassers. More often than not the landowner, or of not than the other hunters on the lease, invest a lot of time and money year round into the land. Imagine just running out to a lease every saturday and fill one feeder all year long- that gets old. Truthfully most people do alot more than that for the lease and the deer in the best places. Spend thousands on protein and etc. So you are getting a lot more than that, and hopefully you would meet the landowner and other hunters in the middle taking care of the land.
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Re: Who owns Texas wildlife?
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05/14/20 05:24 PM
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The state tells you what you can and can't do with wildlife so they must own them or at least think they do. Yup Until someone hits one and does many thousands of dollars damage to their car. lmao
High fence, low fence, no fence, it really doesn't matter as long as you're hunting!
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Re: Who owns Texas wildlife?
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I own the wildlife in my freezer. The rest, we can share, just buy a license first.
Sometimes it's hard being me! But somebody has to do it.
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Re: Who owns Texas wildlife?
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Interesting stuff. I’m an absentee land owner of a small 133 acre place in Montague County, 70 miles from my front door in Hurst. I’ve often thought of this stuff.
Due to wildlife depredation, I couldn’t have a garden or orchard. And yet, I can’t do much about it to protect my “assets”. If a deer eats my garden, it is protected. If I plant, for farming purposes, wheat I can’t do anything about wildlife predation from deer, birds, or small animals.
If I want to raise chickens, it is illegal for me to shoot a hawk that is getting them. But, it’s ok for me to shoot a coyote.
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Re: Who owns Texas wildlife?
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 I feel a HF LF thread coming on. I kind of hate it cause they always end up with seemingly rational men acting like kids on a playground. Kind of like the virus response debate--both sides showing their lack of restraint. A good, healthy, civil discussion always has potential to be educational and have value but rarely happens on here when it comes to polarizing issues. No debate, legal is legal, if one doesn’t like it, then can be just like the hunters in other states that didn’t like hounds chasing bears and lions or baiting and get it banned. Everyone is with in their legal right to petition legislation to END hunting. It’s pretty simple, no one will every change their mind on a forum. All they essentially do is just degrade fellow hunters for not standing at the same pulpit as them. So they should just go straight to legislative representatives and work their magic. Just like the anti’s do. Management by ballots is always better then science anyway..... just ask California and Colorado hunters Just look at the myth, hog problem... Tis all about the Big Buck$
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Re: Who owns Texas wildlife?
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Interesting stuff. I’m an absentee land owner of a small 133 acre place in Montague County, 70 miles from my front door in Hurst. I’ve often thought of this stuff.
Due to wildlife depredation, I couldn’t have a garden or orchard. And yet, I can’t do much about it to protect my “assets”. If a deer eats my garden, it is protected. If I plant, for farming purposes, wheat I can’t do anything about wildlife predation from deer, birds, or small animals.
If I want to raise chickens, it is illegal for me to shoot a hawk that is getting them. But, it’s ok for me to shoot a coyote.
Actually, you can get permits for wildlife destroying crops.
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Re: Who owns Texas wildlife?
[Re: KWood_TSU]
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05/15/20 05:31 PM
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BOBO the Clown
kind of a big deal
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Interesting stuff. I’m an absentee land owner of a small 133 acre place in Montague County, 70 miles from my front door in Hurst. I’ve often thought of this stuff.
Due to wildlife depredation, I couldn’t have a garden or orchard. And yet, I can’t do much about it to protect my “assets”. If a deer eats my garden, it is protected. If I plant, for farming purposes, wheat I can’t do anything about wildlife predation from deer, birds, or small animals.
If I want to raise chickens, it is illegal for me to shoot a hawk that is getting them. But, it’s ok for me to shoot a coyote.
Actually, you can get permits for wildlife destroying crops. To a point, but it’s only to lower future damage, it also doent pay damages. In Texas atleast
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Re: Who owns Texas wildlife?
[Re: 1860.colt]
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05/15/20 05:40 PM
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BOBO the Clown
kind of a big deal
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I feel a HF LF thread coming on. I kind of hate it cause they always end up with seemingly rational men acting like kids on a playground. Kind of like the virus response debate--both sides showing their lack of restraint. A good, healthy, civil discussion always has potential to be educational and have value but rarely happens on here when it comes to polarizing issues. No debate, legal is legal, if one doesn’t like it, then can be just like the hunters in other states that didn’t like hounds chasing bears and lions or baiting and get it banned. Everyone is with in their legal right to petition legislation to END hunting. It’s pretty simple, no one will every change their mind on a forum. All they essentially do is just degrade fellow hunters for not standing at the same pulpit as them. So they should just go straight to legislative representatives and work their magic. Just like the anti’s do. Management by ballots is always better then science anyway..... just ask California and Colorado hunters Just look at the myth, hog problem... Tis all about the Big Buck$ That’s a ranch specific ideology. Proven fact general hunting is very limited in actual controlling. Now you combine trapping, Aerial and night hunting, it’s become effective at actually managing.
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Re: Who owns Texas wildlife?
[Re: BOBO the Clown]
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05/15/20 07:00 PM
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1860.colt
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I feel a HF LF thread coming on. I kind of hate it cause they always end up with seemingly rational men acting like kids on a playground. Kind of like the virus response debate--both sides showing their lack of restraint. A good, healthy, civil discussion always has potential to be educational and have value but rarely happens on here when it comes to polarizing issues. No debate, legal is legal, if one doesn’t like it, then can be just like the hunters in other states that didn’t like hounds chasing bears and lions or baiting and get it banned. Everyone is with in their legal right to petition legislation to END hunting. It’s pretty simple, no one will every change their mind on a forum. All they essentially do is just degrade fellow hunters for not standing at the same pulpit as them. So they should just go straight to legislative representatives and work their magic. Just like the anti’s do. Management by ballots is always better then science anyway..... just ask California and Colorado hunters Just look at the myth, hog problem... Tis all about the Big Buck$ That’s a ranch specific ideology. Proven fact general hunting is very limited in actual controlling. Now you combine trapping, Aerial and night hunting, it’s become effective at actually managing. So their tis No hog problems , a myth... OSBWMA good example... been on it since it opened... At first had seen litteraly 100's way back in thar... The surrounding 24-7-365 hog hunts on private land, the land between the boundrys waters twas ideal for hogs... Low-income hunters, looking for hog hunts, put presure on them, if ya got Off the old atv trails. AK's became popular. i used me AR , that cut down big time, word of mouth, also it floods... 80's their was alot of trapping, & moving hogs for hog hunts, like with deer leases, Big Buck$... All my posts are generally about hog hunting on low price public land... If you wanna pay $200.00 - $300.00 ta shovel some pig crap from these hog barns up here, tis sure they'll take your money, even fry up some fresh bacon... Stay Safe out thar... Stay after em...
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Re: Who owns Texas wildlife?
[Re: KWood_TSU]
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05/15/20 07:13 PM
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BOBO the Clown
kind of a big deal
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Not what I said, I didn’t say it was a myth, i said each individual ranch is different and manages them differently. You just countered my statement with a public WMA property, that’s under jurisdiction of the state, there for covered up and ham strung by bureaucracy, therefore completely irrelevant to your point . Again I see no problem with someone charging to hunt hogs since it’s reimbursement for their damages. “Hunting” Has proven to be highly limited in its ability to actually control populations. So you have liability combined with ineffectiveness as a way to chastise landowners into free hog hunting.. lol
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