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Re: Anyone else not in into trendy calibers?
[Re: Texas Dan]
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04/21/20 01:19 AM
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I first heard of the 6.5cm back in 2008. I only knew one guy that had it and hornady only had like 1 or 2 loads for it.
Seems it did not really take off until almost 10 years later. Not sure but that may have been around the time when long-range shooting became all the rage. Yes, the popularity of the cartridge bled into the hunting community due to the all the attention it was given in the outdoor magazines and such. There's no question Ruger benefited from the long-range shooting craze as well when they quickly ran to the party with their Ruger Precision Rifle (RPR) line and grabbed a major share of the market. Still, if you step back and take a more holistic view of the marketplace, you'll find the 6.5 Creedmoor is a middle-of-the-road cartridge when it comes to the number of factory loads that are now available. The ammo makers continue to offer a greater variety of ammo in the more longstanding calibers, which goes to show you what's really most popular with the greater market. I remember last year when I walked into Gene Taylor's Sporting Goods in Gunnison,CO last Fall and asked the guy at the gun counter if the Creedmoor was as popular in that area as it appeared to be in other places. His response was more along the line of "Yeah, we have a few models available for the guys who want them." I left the store that day thinking the locals either haven't bought into the hype, or maybe they just continue to take deer and elk with the same calibers that have worked since their fathers and grandfathers hunted them. For what it's worth, shown below is a list of the calibers in which manufacturers offered the greatest number of loads in 2019. Even the lowly .243 is supported by a greater number of factory ammo variations than the Creedmoor. .223 Remington - 421 loads .308 Winchester - 365 loads .30-06 Springfield - 269 loads .300 Winchester Magnum - 190 loads 7mm Remington Magnum - 150 loads .270 Winchester - 143 loads .300 ACC Blackout (BLK) - 137 loads .243 Winchester - 133 loads 6.5 Creedmoor - 122 loads .300 Winchester Short Magnum - 84 loads .22-250 Remington - 81 loads .30-30 Winchester - 80 loads 7.62x39mm Soviet - 72 loads .45-70 Government - 68 loads 7mm-08 Remington - 66 loads .338 Lapua Magnum - 64 loads .25-06 Remington - 60 loads .338 Winchester Magnum / .300 Weatherby Magnum (tie) - 59 loads .270 Winchester Short Magnum (WSM) - 58 loads Middle of the road? It’s in the top 10 after only really being in production for 10 years. We get it, you’re a hater, but don’t be a liar as well.
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Re: Anyone else not in into trendy calibers?
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Middle of the road? It’s in the top 10 after only really being in production for 10 years. We get it, you’re a hater, but don’t be a liar as well.
No kidding. The 6.5 Creedmoor is as mainstream as it gets now.
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Re: Anyone else not in into trendy calibers?
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Middle of the road? It’s in the top 10 after only really being in production for 10 years. We get it, you’re a hater, but don’t be a liar as well.
No kidding. The 6.5 Creedmoor is as mainstream as it gets now. And not all those offerings are carried. A quick check of both Natchez and Midway show it #5 behind only .223, .308., .30-06 and 300WM in the number of loads there each stock. But it’s ‘trendy’.
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Re: Anyone else not in into trendy calibers?
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Middle of the road? It’s in the top 10 after only really being in production for 10 years. We get it, you’re a hater, but don’t be a liar as well.
No kidding. The 6.5 Creedmoor is as mainstream as it gets now. And not all those offerings are carried. A quick check of both Natchez and Midway show it #5 behind only .223, .308., .30-06 and 300WM in the number of loads there each stock. But it’s ‘trendy’. Those other cartridges have multiple popular weights. 223 is 55, 69, 77. 30 calibers are 150, 165, 180. Almost all the factory Creedmoor ammo shoots +/- 140 grain. .
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Re: Anyone else not in into trendy calibers?
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04/21/20 02:36 AM
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I first heard of the 6.5cm back in 2008. I only knew one guy that had it and hornady only had like 1 or 2 loads for it.
Seems it did not really take off until almost 10 years later
Contrary to what Oxner would usually say... "You are not a big noticer" I’m a pretty big noticer. From 05’- 2013 I guided quite a few hunters during deer season. Never saw a 6.5 cm in camp. Saw a lot of .300 wsm, 1 fine .300 wby chambered one a custom Sauer rifle, 06’s, a pair of .257 wby, some 270’s, a few 7mm-08’s & 7mm mags, .308’s ( though it was not common either ) 25-06’s and even a .223 wssm, a .325 wsm and a .338 win and 1 6mm ackley improved, but no 6.5 cms. Every hunter that came thru camp had to verify zero so I got to see every single gun that was brought in. These hunters came from Kansas, Nebraska, Vermont, Utah, Idaho, California and Texas. So you're saying you only got to look at a small test sample. And that's hunters that can afford a guided hunt. You weren't anywhere watching shooters. I wouldn't necessarily call it a small test sample.....it was over 100 guys during the entire time period. I would say that would be a pretty good baseline for popular cartridges at that point in time. I don't know what being able to afford guided hunts has to do with anything, but you are correct we were dealing with hunters and not target shooters for the most part. But that was, what I think, was common for hunting camps during that era.. If you were to take a sample test group of the same number of hunters today I would expect to find a large number of them shooting 6.5 CM's Kinda like back in the old days in the 40's, 50's and 60's when 7 out of 10 guys shot a .30-06.
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Re: Anyone else not in into trendy calibers?
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Middle of the road? It’s in the top 10 after only really being in production for 10 years. We get it, you’re a hater, but don’t be a liar as well.
No kidding. The 6.5 Creedmoor is as mainstream as it gets now. And not all those offerings are carried. A quick check of both Natchez and Midway show it #5 behind only .223, .308., .30-06 and 300WM in the number of loads there each stock. But it’s ‘trendy’. Something can be trendy and sell a lot lol. Kinda exactly what a trend is.
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Re: Anyone else not in into trendy calibers?
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Middle of the road? It’s in the top 10 after only really being in production for 10 years. We get it, you’re a hater, but don’t be a liar as well.
No kidding. The 6.5 Creedmoor is as mainstream as it gets now. And not all those offerings are carried. A quick check of both Natchez and Midway show it #5 behind only .223, .308., .30-06 and 300WM in the number of loads there each stock. But it’s ‘trendy’. Something can be trendy and sell a lot lol. Kinda exactly what a trend is. Cartridges feed firearms, if many cartridges are being offered, that means there’s a lot of guns out there using the ammo. They never stop using it, which suggests the demand will almost always be there now that the firearms are in shooters’ hands. That’s not a trend.
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Re: Anyone else not in into trendy calibers?
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We will see if It stays popular or not.
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Re: Anyone else not in into trendy calibers?
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04/21/20 01:18 PM
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I've killed enough animals to know that bullet construction is way more important than what case it was stuffed into. Reloader28 has hit the nail squarely on the head !!! Agree 100% That being said, I've always liked the .35cal, .35 Rem and .358 Win are a couple of favorites. A .358 Win with Hornady 200gr FTX bullets is one SERIOUS hog killer.
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Re: Anyone else not in into trendy calibers?
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We will see if It stays popular or not. How could it not? It is doing a long list of things right, no predecessor to it has ever done.
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Re: Anyone else not in into trendy calibers?
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04/21/20 01:53 PM
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We will see if It stays popular or not. How could it not? It is doing a long list of things right, no predecessor to it has ever done. While I am not a Creedmoor fan, I can not understand how there’s people out there that still doubt it. Hornady hit a walk off home run with this one.
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Re: Anyone else not in into trendy calibers?
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At one time, Rifled barrels were trendy. Tons of people were switching from smooth bore muskets to rifled barels. At one time, Brass cartridges were trendy. Tons of people switched from muzzle loading to Brass cartridges. At one time, repeating rifles were trendy. first came lever actions, then bolt actions, then semi-auto. A lot of people followed the trend. At one time, 357 mag, 44 mag, 30-30, 30-06, 270, 300 Win mag were all "trendy". They are all considered old school now. If a certain cartridge does the job and fits your needs, buy it. Shoot it. I have never understood why someone would talk down something that works and does it's job well simply because it is popular.
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Re: Anyone else not in into trendy calibers?
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04/21/20 02:12 PM
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At one time, Rifled barrels were trendy. Tons of people were switching from smooth bore muskets to rifled barels. At one time, Brass cartridges were trendy. Tons of people switched from muzzle loading to Brass cartridges. At one time, repeating rifles were trendy. first came lever actions, then bolt actions, then semi-auto. A lot of people followed the trend. At one time, 357 mag, 44 mag, 30-30, 30-06, 270, 300 Win mag were all "trendy". They are all considered old school now. If a certain cartridge does the job and fits your needs, buy it. Shoot it. I have never understood why someone would talk down something that works and does it's job well simply because it is popular. We call those people “hipsters”. And a bunch of these guys would lose their minds if they knew they were acting like hipsters.
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Re: Anyone else not in into trendy calibers?
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Re: Anyone else not in into trendy calibers?
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At one time, Rifled barrels were trendy. Tons of people were switching from smooth bore muskets to rifled barels. At one time, Brass cartridges were trendy. Tons of people switched from muzzle loading to Brass cartridges. At one time, repeating rifles were trendy. first came lever actions, then bolt actions, then semi-auto. A lot of people followed the trend. At one time, 357 mag, 44 mag, 30-30, 30-06, 270, 300 Win mag were all "trendy". They are all considered old school now. If a certain cartridge does the job and fits your needs, buy it. Shoot it. I have never understood why someone would talk down something that works and does it's job well simply because it is popular. At one time the .270 was the epitome of trendy. So was the .30-30. The 6.5 Cm isn’t going anywhere at this point, and will probably replace the .270, 7mm-08 and .25-06 in the next decade or two
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Re: Anyone else not in into trendy calibers?
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The 6.5 Cm isn’t going anywhere at this point, and will probably replace the .270, 7mm-08 and .25-06 in the next decade or two You've evidently not only drank the cool aid but gotten drunk on it too.
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Re: Anyone else not in into trendy calibers?
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i have had different guns and calibers over the years, and my 270 does everything i need. it kills everything i point at, mostly because i believe i will kill whatever its aimed at. Yup.
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Re: Anyone else not in into trendy calibers?
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7mm-08 is as trendy as I have ever gotten, and that was over 20 years ago. I'm with ya on the 257 Weatherby, got from my passed Granddad and the good ol' 30/06.
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Re: Anyone else not in into trendy calibers?
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I use an old 7x57. I have one in a single shot and one in a bolt gun. All these new calibers are just a fad.
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Re: Anyone else not in into trendy calibers?
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I use an old 7x57. I have one in a single shot and one in a bolt gun. All these new calibers are just a fad. Just like damascus steel is a fad.
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Re: Anyone else not in into trendy calibers?
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I hunt with a Savage 99 in 250 savage, and I shoot more 22lr than anything. So from the outside, I’m out school, but I would gladly shoot a 6.5 creed, or 300 hammer, or whatever else. I don’t really have a preference. I hunt with what I have, and when this rifle gets passed down and I need a new one, I’ll probably go with a newer chambering.
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Re: Anyone else not in into trendy calibers?
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I use an old 7x57. I have one in a single shot and one in a bolt gun. All these new calibers are just a fad. You can kill a deer just as dead with a bow you made yourself and a sinew string. That 7x57 is just a rad. I’m kidding. I have a 7x57 in the safe.
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Re: Anyone else not in into trendy calibers?
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I use an old 7x57. I have one in a single shot and one in a bolt gun. Ditto. Great round.
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Re: Anyone else not in into trendy calibers?
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I also use a bow and have hunted with an Atlatl. For cartiage guns like the 45 LC and the 7x57 for bigger game. My wife shoots the standard moderns 6.5, 300bk 308.
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Re: Anyone else not in into trendy calibers?
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I will say this about trendy calibers......just because its #1 now doesn't mean it always will be. And its downfall might have nothing to do at all with its performance. A classic example is the 300 Remington Ultra Mag. When that beltless magnum hit the market Remington couldn't build them fast enough. It reached a point that Remington was selling more rifles in that caliber than any other caliber they chambered for. Today I cant even go into Academy or Bass Pro and buy a box of ammo for it. The performance of that caliber hasn't changed a bit, but the cost of the ammo sure as hell did and I believe that's what killed the 300RUM. I use to pay $24.99 a box for 180gr Nosler Partitions. Pretty much overnight that price doubled. Now it will run you about $80 a box. All those rifles they sold are still out there but they cost to much to feed. Who knows what the nail in the coffin will be for todays trendy caliber but rest assured people will move on to the next big thing when it comes along.
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