Not willingly giving DNA to the government... this is the problem.

Cartoons are the pretend world. You once complained that I was posting excerpts of book without pictures. I think it was just after I posted an excerpt from a book called Unbroken. Look that one up and get back to me about pretending.

I was given one of the DNA kits for Ancestry.com, I think it was. I decided to do what my friends and family did not do before they submitted their samples. I read ALL the fine print. There is some availability to opt out of some of their databases, or to keep "some" of your personal data "private", but there is still exposure even if you check all the opt out boxes. It can go to other "third parties", which was not defined. Is that law enforcement (no issues with that), or other companies (why do THEY want my DNA sequence?). I got nothing to hide, but I didn't like the idea of a company having my DNA records, that they can share, for a few reasons. Not sure what their fine oprint says not - this was a couple years back. Just felt a tad invasive and I didn't like the language of the contracts' fine print. I decided not to do the samples.

I know they have caught criminals from the databases of these companies before, and read about a serial rapist that they nailed not too long ago based on a DNA sequence of one of his relatives.. That was a darn good ending! The guy thought he was free and clear and no evidence would ever bring him down...until it thankfully did!

It gets tricky, though. We don't really have "privacy" in the digital age, anymore. I'd love for every serious crime to be solved, and have justice brought to the forefront. In regards to the DNA stuff, lots of lines get blurred. I can see how people are on both sides of the fence on that one.

That's how they caught the Golden State Killer. I betting the Supremes say that in an public data base like the Ancestry that like a cup you discard on the street LEOs have a right to it

Are you tell in us that its not really a pretend world?

Been robbing banks since 2000 and always left a few hairs from someone else behind.....or maybe some chewing gum............I hear there was another bank robbery in Denison a couple of days ago. Some people got a lot of nerve to drive the same vehicle to 2 different stickups.

It's too late to close the door.

https://www.sciencemag.org/news/201...den-state-killer-can-home-about-60-white

Just a matter of time.

Anyone who has not read about how this went - should read it. The gal who did the leg work is a real pro in the subject of DNA matching and found a close match to the killer's DNA. Her experience told her that she had found the killer's brother, so basic police work closed the loop on the fact that the good guy had a brother- so they backtracked his whereabouts to when the murders occurred.

It is indeed too late to close the door. The killer had never submitted his DNA anywhere and he was not on anyone's radar. DNA from a relative who was not involved - dramatically narrowed the search toward the killer.

heck folks are worried about being located , they are probably using it to clone also. I have also heard the quest for your dna is to get your frequency. Once your frequency is had you can be tuned into.

But, but, but,what about the presumption of innocence? Michael Brown was shot down in cold blood as he was running away hollering hands up, don't shoot.

It doesn’t work like that. Ancestry’s DNA database is not public.

But if you load your results on a public database and make it available for all to see then it’s public.

I'll echo what cbump said and yes, it's a serious question. Using all available resources and thinking outside the box to catch criminals is the very definition of doing their jobs. This area is somewhat uncharted so it's going to take some case law to establish parameters and acceptable protocol.

I have no concern if Parabon, at law enforcement's request, enters a suspect's autosomal DNA into GEDmatch, because I'm not a murderer or a rapist.

Agree. More importantly even if they do go after a private source with a valid warrant, there should be safeguards to ensure they cannot access the rest of the database that isn’t covered by the warrant.

Yes sir! Nothing to hide!

You go ahead and trust your government. After all, they’re here to serve you.

I’d rather not.

I am the government, at least for a few more months. I'm guessing you never have been.

I’m sorry but I have to disagree with you, you are not the government you are a part of the government bureaucracy! What too many people in this country have forgotten is THEY are the government not the Senators, Representatives, and those that work in the government agencies. Those people are our servants that are suppose to be there working on the behalf of the governed. It is this thinking that they are the Government and therefore can do whatever they want because it is for the best of the lowly governed and they know what is best for us that has gotten us where we are now.

No, I haven’t ever had the pleasure to serve in any capacity of the government let have often thought about it. I will support any law enforcement agency as long as they do whatever is needed to protect the public as long as it is within the bounds of the law and not go over it. I think it should be hard for them to do their jobs to protect us so the can not run roughshod over us. I know that there is no expectation for you to protect me and the courts have ruled that you have no legal obligation too. Therefore, I will not give up any of my rights/freedoms that have not already been given up for me on a presumed expectation of more safety. Once again I tell my government what I want from it not the other way!

You are certainly free to disagree with me. If you ever worked a cold case for 20 years with the mother of a little girl who was raped and murdered calling you every week to see where you were at with the case, and knowing he's still out there doing it lord knows how many more times, I suspect you might have a different perspective.

No Sir, I fully understand where you are coming from and wanting to put the scum away, give justice and closure to the family. I can not even start to image the stress of working those cases and I thank you, and every other detective, and beat officer for the jobs that y’all do. It is just my concern of where this leads us and by doing so what we do to future generations freedom.

What I mean by I want your job to be hard is that I want all laws to be followed and warrants for anything that is needed to be obtained so the case is as tight as can be so the people that committed said crime can not get off because it wasn’t done correctly. If information happens to fall into hands that is great as well as long as it is all legal. I want these people off the streets too and as a juror have no problem sending these people to prison for a long time or death if so justified and will lose no sleep doing it. I have just seen the cases where things weren’t done properly and the person got off or a DA hid evidence and innocent people were sent to person.

Once again Thank You for what you do and have done and I believe there are more good people doing your job than not. We are only human and are all fallible.

Right. End of discussion. I’ve never done your job. I’m not allowed to have an opinion of my rights. Carry on.

You mean like the search warrant that was obtained that started this entire discussion?

Yes, with out any probable cause! Therefore, we will let the court’s decision which may take a while and I’m good with that.