Yep. He should be shamed for eternity. The second amendment has nothing to do with target practice or hunting it's meant for war against tyranny and I'll take all the guns and ammo I could get.

Back to the topic and hand. The answer to your question is a Saiga Shotgun. It's an AK style action, with detachable mags and pistol grip. You can get big drum mags for them as well. They require some sort of kit to make them legal in the US, but it's the closest thing I've ever seen to an AR style shotty.

I’ve never seen a Saiga run very well, and I’ve seen a lot of them.

I've only seen one in action and it ran fine for a round of sporting clays, but again that was one gun for 100 rounds. So I can't speak to that.

I'd do ^^^^^^^ if I was you....but only if he let you use the matching shoes too

Hell, if he does that ask if he's got a set of white sunglasses to throw in the deal

The ones I’ve seen were all in 3 gun matches.

Fireman, I too would opt for a mag extension on your SX2. It is a highly regarded shotgun. No red dot or any of that nonsense needed on a shotgun. Shooting from a moving helicopter that should be about as intuitive a setup as can be. Have fun, that sounds like a rip roaring good time!

Dan, your comments are an affront to the 2nd amendment.

I've only handled one Saiga 12 5 or 6 years ago, belongs to a buddy of mine. We went through about a case of shells with it just shooting for fun, used 10 & 20 rd mags and also the 30 rd drum. Was a hell of a lot of fun to shoot, I burned through several 30 rd drums & 20 rd mags as fast as I could fire with no issues. I'm still thinking about getting one. Should be a blast from a chopper on pigs.

Haters gonna hate....

Oh my, how did I miss this. I got tears in my eyes... it’s gotta be the shoes!

Lmao dammit Judd

That is just one of the reasons we hate him Kyle.

Tactical Cowboy,

I defer to you on this. Because the mass killing from a helicopter is going to be TAF!

Imma buy a helmet, in case is crashes. Gotta be comms capable though.

Lesson #765 - you never pass the low hanging fruit

It isn’t necessarily needed but sure is nice. It is easier to track a running animal with the red dot than a plain ole’ shotgun bead. Where the red dot really shines, for me at least, is knowing exactly where the dot was when a hit or missed shot is broken. Again, not necessary but my hit ratio goes way up when running a red dot on a rifle or shotgun.

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Do you use them on your bird gun?

No sir

It defeats the way a shotgun is designed to be operated....

I’m not sure what that is supposed to mean.

A shotgun is a scatter gun made to spread the shot out in a pattern. Not put it all on one dot. I'm guessing that's what he means.

It defeats the way a shotgun is designed to be operated....
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OK. When a shotgun is mounted properly the comb functions as the sights by placing your eye so the shotgun will center up exactly where you are looking. No red dot or bead for that matter is needed, and both eyes can be left open so your depth perception is at it best to judge distance and speed. Can be shot equally well daylight or dark. It should not need to be aimed to center up with or know exactly where it is pointed when mounted.

I’m not sure what that is supposed to mean.
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OK. When a shotgun is mounted properly the comb functions as the sights by placing your eye so the shotgun will center up exactly where you are looking. No red dot or bead for that matter is needed, and both eyes can be left open so your depth perception is at it best to judge distance and speed. Can be shot equally well daylight or dark. It should not need to be aimed to center up with or know exactly where it is pointed when mounted. [/quote]



Good discussion.. Standing flat footed on the ground wing shooting quail, pheasants, passing dove, clay birds, etc.. against a contrasting sky isn’t the same as tracking a coyote running 40mph across varied terrain from a flying platform. I’m not saying it’s impossible or even overly difficult without a red dot. I’m simply saying the contrasting dot is easier to track against the earth and easier to call shots.

When I miss an animal with a red dot, I see the splash against the ground and my brain knows exactly where the bright dot was when I pulled the trigger. This makes for faster adjustments, acquisition and more accurate follow-up shots. When running a plain bead or even XS big dots on my shotguns, this process, for me, isn’t as fast or accurate as it is with a bright red dot.

I’m certainly no expert, only sharing my personal experience, nothing more. I’m not at all saying there is a wrong way to do it, only pointing out what has worked for me. If you ever have a chance to hunt from a helo, by all means take your sightless wing gun and have at it.

Misfire, I don’t mean this disrespectfully so don’t take it that way. You don’t know what you don’t know. I know shotguns well and have shot lots of stuff lots of times with lots of shotguns for a long time.
To “sight in” a shotgun:
Put in the tightest choke you have. Put a large piece of poster paper at 16 yards with a small spot in the center. 16 yards is used because at this distance 1/16” of stock movement will move your pattern 1” so the math is simple and coincides with a ruler. Look at the spot intently as you bring the comb to your cheek and roll your shoulder up and to the butt plate. When your shoulder gets there shoot. Do this 5 times. The patterns should lay right on top of each other making the core of the pattern obvious. Find the center of the pattern and measure horizontally and vertically to the spot. Now adjust the stock to move the point of impact. 1/16” of stock movement will move you pattern 1”. Shoot and fine tune. Once this is done you can take the bead off and throw it away if you want. Your pattern will intuitively center where you look for anything within shotgun range. There is absolutely no need to aim and there is no need for a dot to know exactly where the gun was pointed when the shot is broke. The barrel(s) are seen but only in your peripheral vision and you simply focus on your target and the desired lead, whether feathers or fur.
It is for this purpose that shims are now supplied with many new shotguns. Fireman is a gun guy. I would be shocked if he has not already taken care of this with his SX2. I suspect some of the “experts” will chime in.
Don’t take my word here, google is your friend.

All the Open division 3 gunners have dots on their shotguns. That should tell you something....

Agree TC but, unless I’m mistaken, those targets are stationary....making those dots very helpful in quickly zeroing in on the center of the target. I don’t know much about red dots, especially how they might affect field of view....I would want whatever gives me the best sight picture without affecting my field of view. JG, whatever you choose, have a ball...you work too damned hard (I know, your choice) and deserve a little fun.