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Re: TOP 5 OVER RATED CARTRIDGES
[Re: JCB]
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11/08/19 11:05 AM
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TEXASLEFTY
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Last season. 303 British, 30/30, 6mm, 300WM, 30-06, 270, 44mag, 308 I’m sure that I’m forgetting one.... drives a few friends crazy..... different gun every hunt.. before I get a bunch of questions... yes I hunted MLDP.
Never been to a camping world. I prefer Dick's to be honest.
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Re: TOP 5 OVER RATED CARTRIDGES
[Re: Bullfrog]
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11/08/19 11:45 AM
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Smokey Bear
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2) 270- I have killed several truck loads of animals with a 270. Although it never failed to get the job done, due to limited available bullet selection, I view the 280 as superior. The 270 surpasses it in popularity but only due to a lot of favorable press and the model 70 Winchester.
Just sayin’ And why I had a disclaimer at the top of my post. The 270 had a meteoric rise to prominence similar to what the creedmore is currently experiencing. Introduced in a rifle that was referred to as the riflemans rifle and given a very credible stamp of approval by Jack O’Connor it was the darling of its day and remains a mainstay. It’s not as good as the also 30-06 based 280. Not much difference In dia from .277 to .284. With a 270 for the most part you are limited to 130-150 grain projectiles. Loading for 280, a readily available selection of 120-175 grain projectiles has existed for a long time. Just sayin
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Re: TOP 5 OVER RATED CARTRIDGES
[Re: Smokey Bear]
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11/08/19 11:59 AM
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2) 270- I have killed several truck loads of animals with a 270. Although it never failed to get the job done, due to limited available bullet selection, I view the 280 as superior. The 270 surpasses it in popularity but only due to a lot of favorable press and the model 70 Winchester.
Just sayin’ And why I had a disclaimer at the top of my post. The 270 had a meteoric rise to prominence similar to what the creedmore is currently experiencing. Introduced in a rifle that was referred to as the riflemans rifle and given a very credible stamp of approval by Jack O’Connor it was the darling of its day and remains a mainstay. It’s not as good as the also 30-06 based 280. Not much difference In dia from .277 to .284. With a 270 for the most part you are limited to 130-150 grain projectiles. Loading for 280, a readily available selection of 120-175 grain projectiles has existed for a long time. Just sayin If the 270 is overrated don't tell the 800 million animals that have succumbed to it. lol The most overrated caliber I have ever owned is by far the 45-70. Everything I ever shot with it ran off a long ways before falling. I read where an African PH said more animals lost to the 45-70 than any other caliber, not sure why.
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Re: TOP 5 OVER RATED CARTRIDGES
[Re: Bullfrog]
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11/08/19 01:24 PM
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txtrophy85
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How many different bullets are all of you actually shooting? Most people pick a load and stick with it in a given caliber. If they need a heavier load most change rifles not bullets
For it is not the quarry that we truly seek, but the adventure.
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Re: TOP 5 OVER RATED CARTRIDGES
[Re: JCB]
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11/08/19 01:35 PM
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Rustler
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Most often it isn't the caliber of the rifle, it is the caliber of the person behind the trigger.
Folks around here talk like deer are hard to kill and their tuff ness has increased 10 fold over the last few decades. And pigs, wholly smokes, they are armor plated beasts like some mythical mini rhinoceros on steroids wearing bullet proof hide.
I hunt grizz with a .22 wmr.
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Re: TOP 5 OVER RATED CARTRIDGES
[Re: RattlesnakeDan]
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11/08/19 01:36 PM
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Smokey Bear
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2) 270- I have killed several truck loads of animals with a 270. Although it never failed to get the job done, due to limited available bullet selection, I view the 280 as superior. The 270 surpasses it in popularity but only due to a lot of favorable press and the model 70 Winchester.
Just sayin’ And why I had a disclaimer at the top of my post. The 270 had a meteoric rise to prominence similar to what the creedmore is currently experiencing. Introduced in a rifle that was referred to as the riflemans rifle and given a very credible stamp of approval by Jack O’Connor it was the darling of its day and remains a mainstay. It’s not as good as the also 30-06 based 280. Not much difference In dia from .277 to .284. With a 270 for the most part you are limited to 130-150 grain projectiles. Loading for 280, a readily available selection of 120-175 grain projectiles has existed for a long time. Just sayin If the 270 is overrated don't tell the 800 million animals that have succumbed to it. lol The most overrated caliber I have ever owned is by far the 45-70. Everything I ever shot with it ran off a long ways before falling. I read where an African PH said more animals lost to the 45-70 than any other caliber, not sure why. In the end most of this stuff is just fun Internet forum talk.....these discussions are not like the ones we have with our buddies over a few beers while we watch college football, where experience and knowledge are recognized and understood. On the World Wide Web any nameless, faceless poster may join or even start the discussion, regardless of their level of first hand knowledge. Do you think the 270 is superior to the 280?
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Re: TOP 5 OVER RATED CARTRIDGES
[Re: Rustler]
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11/08/19 01:40 PM
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txtrophy85
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And pigs, wholly smokes, they are armor plated beasts like some mythical mini rhinoceros on steroids wearing bullet proof hide.
I always wonder when people tout the effectiveness of a caliber by mentioning how many hogs they kill with it. I was always taught to shoot hogs below the ear. I also kill a lot of hogs with a .22 LR
For it is not the quarry that we truly seek, but the adventure.
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Re: TOP 5 OVER RATED CARTRIDGES
[Re: Bullfrog]
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11/08/19 01:44 PM
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BOBO the Clown
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How many different bullets are all of you actually shooting? 8 in the 257wby, all on animals also 5 on 6.5 CM, all on animals
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Re: TOP 5 OVER RATED CARTRIDGES
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11/08/19 02:06 PM
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txtrophy85
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How many different bullets are all of you actually shooting? 8 in the 257wby, all on animals also 5 on 6.5 CM, all on animals Do they even have 8 different loads for a .257 wby?
For it is not the quarry that we truly seek, but the adventure.
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Re: TOP 5 OVER RATED CARTRIDGES
[Re: txtrophy85]
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11/08/19 02:08 PM
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unclebubba
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5) (tie) 300 blackout-way too anemic for my taste. Only place I see it performing well is loading subs for ultra quiet suppressed plinking.
300BLK also preforms exceptionally well for recoil sensitive kids. 125 gr SST is a good deer and pig round out to 150 yards.
.243 Winchester - too sporadic of performance on deer yet it continues to be pushed. This is a round that needed to be put out to pasture a long time ago
YES!!
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Re: TOP 5 OVER RATED CARTRIDGES
[Re: txtrophy85]
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11/08/19 02:13 PM
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the .257 wby mag is one most useable magnum cartridges ever created. Light recoil and 7mm rem. performance. The ballistics out to 400 yards is incredible. Yes, if you shoot a soft bullet then it will come apart....but the availability of bonded bullets has all but nullified that.
Negative. Never seen or heard of a .257 launching a 160 grainer 3100fps? I've never seen of a 7mm launching a 160 grain bullet at 3100 fps. Nosler lists a speed of 2925 fps for the 160 grain accubond load. You haven't tried 72-73g Retumbo then. Not that tough.
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Re: TOP 5 OVER RATED CARTRIDGES
[Re: unclebubba]
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11/08/19 02:53 PM
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skinnerback
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.243 Winchester - too sporadic of performance on deer yet it continues to be pushed. This is a round that needed to be put out to pasture a long time ago
YES!! That’s the dumbest thing I’ve ever heard.
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Re: TOP 5 OVER RATED CARTRIDGES
[Re: txtrophy85]
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11/08/19 03:12 PM
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BOBO the Clown
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How many different bullets are all of you actually shooting? 8 in the 257wby, all on animals also 5 on 6.5 CM, all on animals Do they even have 8 different loads for a .257 wby? Yes 100 Spire 100 spritzer 80 TTSX 100 TSX 110 AB 100gr partition 120 gr partition 115vld Honady has a 117 sst I think also
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Re: TOP 5 OVER RATED CARTRIDGES
[Re: Jgraider]
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11/08/19 03:25 PM
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redchevy
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the .257 wby mag is one most useable magnum cartridges ever created. Light recoil and 7mm rem. performance. The ballistics out to 400 yards is incredible. Yes, if you shoot a soft bullet then it will come apart....but the availability of bonded bullets has all but nullified that.
If you apply the above logic towards a 243 or even 223 you may change your mind.
It's hell eatin em live
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Re: TOP 5 OVER RATED CARTRIDGES
[Re: JCB]
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11/08/19 04:20 PM
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donswin
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Holy Smokes, you guys badmouthed just about everything in my gun safe except for the 30:06 and I gave that to my grandson.
I'll go with shot placement using any 1" moa rifle.
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Re: TOP 5 OVER RATED CARTRIDGES
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11/08/19 04:41 PM
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Bullfrog
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How many different bullets are all of you actually shooting? 8 in the 257wby, all on animals also 5 on 6.5 CM, all on animals Do they even have 8 different loads for a .257 wby? Yes 100 Spire 100 spritzer 80 TTSX 100 TSX 110 AB 100gr partition 120 gr partition 115vld Honady has a 117 sst I think also Interesting Bobo. All from 1 rifle or multiple?
Man if I knew what Oxner knows I could throw away what I know
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Re: TOP 5 OVER RATED CARTRIDGES
[Re: BOBO the Clown]
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11/08/19 04:52 PM
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unclebubba
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How many different bullets are all of you actually shooting? 8 in the 257wby, all on animals also 5 on 6.5 CM, all on animals Do they even have 8 different loads for a .257 wby? Yes 100 Spire 100 spritzer 80 TTSX 100 TSX 110 AB 100gr partition 120 gr partition 115vld Honady has a 117 sst I think also I am impressed with the amount of time that you have available to test that many different loads! Between kids and work, if I want to work up a new load, it takes me almost a year to load, test, load, re-test, and then hunt with them!
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Re: TOP 5 OVER RATED CARTRIDGES
[Re: JCB]
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11/08/19 04:55 PM
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BOBO the Clown
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Most of those are all OTC loads(all sub moa ore better except spritzer and AB) minus the 115vld(both hand loads)
Bull frog -Two, but most from one.
Most people state the something as the “best” because that’s what they use or read, not on what they have actually tried against each other. I tinker a bunch, gear included.
It’s like the exploding bullet statement made on here. Out of all those loads I have exploded one (bullet combo) out of a close to a hundred animals with all the bullets stated above, 115vld loaded hot at almost 3400. I had two bullets actually blow up at the skin level with minimal penetration on a Pronghorn. At 3250 ft/s no more issues and lots of chin thumps to the grounds. Could of been a lot issue or speed/jacket integrity issue. Regardless a true skin level failure
My second favorite load is 80gr ttsx true lazer but energy drops sharply at 300 yards. And third is the 100gr partition
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Re: TOP 5 OVER RATED CARTRIDGES
[Re: redchevy]
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11/08/19 05:04 PM
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BOBO the Clown
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the .257 wby mag is one most useable magnum cartridges ever created. Light recoil and 7mm rem. performance. The ballistics out to 400 yards is incredible. Yes, if you shoot a soft bullet then it will come apart....but the availability of bonded bullets has all but nullified that.
If you apply the above logic towards a 243 or even 223 you may change your mind. 243 I’ll take the 80 gr TTSX it nasty medicine “if” your gun likes them.
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Re: TOP 5 OVER RATED CARTRIDGES
[Re: txtrophy85]
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11/08/19 05:49 PM
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David Maas
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I am not sure about "overrated", but here is my list of "completely unnecessary" cartridges.
2. 257 Weatherby Mag., unless of course having bullets blow up on game is your thing.
pulled 110 grain Nosler accubond slugs out of Elk, Aoudad, and Mule Deer....never had one blow up. the .257 wby mag is one most useable magnum cartridges ever created. Light recoil and 7mm rem. performance. The ballistics out to 400 yards is incredible. Yes, if you shoot a soft bullet then it will come apart....but the availability of bonded bullets has all but nullified that. As far as the .270 is concerned, yes, with moden powders and bullet weights you can get .270 performance and ballistics from a round like a 7mm-08. But with modern powders and Bullets you can get .270 wby performance out of a .270 Winchester and stomp any short action out to any reasonable hunting range. I still think a stock .270 outperforms a 6.5 creed out to somewhere ridiculous range like 700 yards. ^This man knows I shot an antelope at over 700yds in the late eighties with a 257 Weatherby, I would call it far from over rated
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Re: TOP 5 OVER RATED CARTRIDGES
[Re: JCB]
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11/08/19 05:54 PM
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David Maas
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30'06 was my favorite cartridge for years, but it is a kicking sob, the 300 WSM will do everything that it can do and with a ton less felt recoil
My list Creedmoor anything Nosler Anything 30'06 338 Lapua 338 Federal
I have several of those on my list in the safe
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Re: TOP 5 OVER RATED CARTRIDGES
[Re: JCB]
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11/08/19 06:00 PM
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BrangusVA
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.204, even 40 grain, is hell on cats and foxes but sub par on coyotes.
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Re: TOP 5 OVER RATED CARTRIDGES
[Re: David Maas]
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11/08/19 06:05 PM
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redchevy
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30'06 was my favorite cartridge for years, but it is a kicking sob, the 300 WSM will do everything that it can do and with a ton less felt recoil Come again? Sure the WSM does whatever the 30-06 does, but it doesn't recoil less at all, actually more.
Last edited by redchevy; 11/08/19 06:07 PM.
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Re: TOP 5 OVER RATED CARTRIDGES
[Re: JCB]
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11/08/19 07:22 PM
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JDP Ranch
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I'd say... of the calibers I have owned... and for being overrated for whitetail deer...
30-30 - not very accurate compared to what else is available and only acceptable for close range. Crazy how many times I hear it is recommended as a first deer rifle. 223 - I had a buddy who wanted to hunt deer with 223 on my property. Told him he'd have to find a bigger caliber or use one of my rifles. It'll take down a deer with proper shot placement, but we can't always except optimal shooting conditions. Makes me cringe when I hear people talking about hunting whitetail with 223. 243 - This was the caliber of my first deer rifle. Certainly works and is accurate, but personally I feel it's a tad on the light side. Not as forgiving as larger calibers. One of my best buds uses it with great success though I'd prefer he use a larger caliber. To give him credit... he's dropped all the deer he's taken on my place with it. 300 blk - same as 30-30. Maybe a little more accurate, but not good for anything other than close range. Personally I feel it's only good for those who want a quiet round when shooting suppressed at close range. Fun caliber though. 30-06 - I grew up hunting with 30-06 and hunted Africa twice with it. Great caliber and certainly enough stopping power for whitetail... but the recoil made it hard to be a consistent shooter. I think my success with it was due to it being more forgiving. Not a great caliber for beginners in my opinion because of the recoil. Still love the cartridge but there are many others available now that'll do the job with less recoil.
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Re: TOP 5 OVER RATED CARTRIDGES
[Re: JCB]
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11/08/19 07:35 PM
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Over rated.
17 HMR, the 22 magnum is far better for what I need.
6.5 Creedmoor, Not a durned thing it can do that many older cartridges haven't been doing just fine for years but if it replaces the semi worthless 243 that would be a good thing.
243 Winchester works fine if you treat it like a 223 but when you start using it like a real deer cartridge the tracking begins.
300 Blackout, What for?
280 Remington Not one thing it can do better than the 30-06 or 270.
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