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Re: Amber Guyger Trial Starts Today..
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09/24/19 11:06 PM
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She is being tried for murder..if found not guilty she can't be tried for man slaughter..so Im told..
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Re: Amber Guyger Trial Starts Today..
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She is being tried for murder..if found not guilty she can't be tried for man slaughter..so Im told.. Only the Judge can provide jury instructions. Both the prosecution and defense provide their requested instructions to the judge who decides. It's all what the lawyers think will work based on how the trial has gone. If Dallas DA's Office doesn't request that a lessor include offense may be considered, and her attorneys think Murder was not proven, then her lawyers may go all in and request murder or nothing.
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Re: Amber Guyger Trial Starts Today..
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09/24/19 11:44 PM
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She is being tried for murder..if found not guilty she can't be tried for man slaughter..so Im told.. The judge can allow the jury to consider the lesser included offenses of Manslaughter and Criminally Negligent Homicide.
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Re: Amber Guyger Trial Starts Today..
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I'm curious what the toxicology report is going to show about the victim. Being absolutely baked may explain his lack of communication during the encounter. I seriously doubt any jury would acquit her because she shot an intoxicated dude on his couch, in his apartment. I really don't see what his state of intoxication would have to do with her mistake of shooting him in his living room. My understanding is that he was not shot on the couch. She gave him commands to get on the floor, he didn’t. She gave him commands to stop and he kept coming. She is in full uniform yet he didn’t recognize that and kept walking toward her. She shot him standing upright at 13’ away. This is what she said that she said. And that is what a lot of this is about, what she claims that she said and did. There are no witnesses, she can give the best story and there is no way to argue it. It is like a mafia case, all of the witnesses are dead. I doubt most of what she said. It is amazing how clear her memory is on some things, when she claims exhaustion from work for her defense on not being able to find the right door. Exactly. We only have her side of the story because the other witness is dead, and at best she went to the wrong apartment, shot the legal inhabitant while he was next to his couch, then called 911 and admitted to everything, and texted her partner/lover while on the phone with 911, and didn’t render aid to a dying man she just shot, even after she realized her mistake. That’s best case scenario for her.
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Re: Amber Guyger Trial Starts Today..
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09/25/19 01:55 AM
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She is being tried for murder..if found not guilty she can't be tried for man slaughter..so Im told.. The judge can allow the jury to consider the lesser included offenses of Manslaughter and Criminally Negligent Homicide. That’s exactly what they did when I was in the jury for a murder trial. Basically gave us three different charges we could choose from. Our guy was guilty, but I thought the charging spread was kinda BS for the guy at the time. Granted, they pled out the case before we could render a decision. So I didn’t have to decide which one to choose.
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Re: Amber Guyger Trial Starts Today..
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09/25/19 09:20 PM
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Re: Amber Guyger Trial Starts Today..
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09/28/19 03:55 AM
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She better hope the sexually explicit texts and messages she was sending to her PD boyfriend minutes before the shooting are deemed inadmissible,. Prosecution is attempting to introduce it as a view into her state of mind just prior to shooting. Being horny would make you want to shoot someone? The implication, from what I’ve read, is that she wasn’t exhausted, as she claims, if she was trying setup a sexual rendezvous with her partner three minutes before she walked up to the wrong apartment and shot someone. And apparently her partner declined the booty call, which would put her frame of mind somewhere mistake of fact wouldn’t be an excuse, whereas exhaustion from work would leave mistake of fact on the table, possibly. From what I’m interpreting from the media, so it’s taken with a grain of salt. It's possible to be exhausted, and too exhausted for sex?
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Re: Amber Guyger Trial Starts Today..
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09/28/19 10:31 AM
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She better hope the sexually explicit texts and messages she was sending to her PD boyfriend minutes before the shooting are deemed inadmissible,. Prosecution is attempting to introduce it as a view into her state of mind just prior to shooting. Being horny would make you want to shoot someone? The implication, from what I’ve read, is that she wasn’t exhausted, as she claims, if she was trying setup a sexual rendezvous with her partner three minutes before she walked up to the wrong apartment and shot someone. And apparently her partner declined the booty call, which would put her frame of mind somewhere mistake of fact wouldn’t be an excuse, whereas exhaustion from work would leave mistake of fact on the table, possibly. From what I’m interpreting from the media, so it’s taken with a grain of salt. It's possible to be exhausted, and too exhausted for sex? Have you been talking to my wife again
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Re: Amber Guyger Trial Starts Today..
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09/28/19 10:42 AM
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No way in hades to I think this officer intentionally walked into this mans apartment to do him harm, what motive/reason would she have? The prosecutor said she had options, sure she did but when you are exhausted physically and mentally you do not always make the best case scenario decision. We are talking about a person who thought they were in there house and defending themselves and their property. Obviously she made a huge mistake going into the wrong apartment guilty of that, once she was in that apartment hind sight says she could have made better decisions especially being a police officer truth. Capitol murder no way! https://www.dallasnews.com/news/cou...rosecutor-says-a-cop-should-know-better/Amber Guyger sobbed as she took the stand in her own defense Friday, the fifth day of her murder trial, saying she will forever regret the night she killed Botham Jean. But the prosecution said the fired Dallas police officer had other options before she confronted Jean and cared more about herself than the dying man after she shot him. Guyger, 31, fatally shot the 26-year-old accountant in his Dallas apartment on Sept. 6, 2018. Her defense team has called it a "tragic, but innocent" mistake and has argued she was reasonable to believe Jean was a burglar when she entered his apartment, thinking it was her own. She was off-duty but still in her Dallas police uniform. "I was scared whoever was inside of my apartment was going to kill me, and I'm sorry," Guyger said through tears Friday, her voice shaking. "I have to live with that every single day." But the prosecution emphasized that Guyger could have retreated before she opened the door and even afterward. They said she could have backed off and used her police radio to call for help. Police headquarters is just blocks away from the apartment complex.
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Re: Amber Guyger Trial Starts Today..
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09/28/19 11:21 AM
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Stub I think both sides agree she did not “intentionally” go in the wrong apartment, kill him because she thought he was a burglar. I think everyone agrees it was a “mistake”. The question is if it was a reasonable mistake, and there were several mistakes that are considered.. Like going to the wrong apartment, 15% have done it there, could probably happen to anyone. Reasonable. Bad luck door is unlock a whole bunch of mistakes follow and she finds her self face to face with him pulls gun, reasonable? I think at this point is stretching reasonableness, I would be “oh [censored] dude sorry!!!”...and I would moonwalk out of there.
And before someone ask me how much experience I have walking in on burglars, I have never done that, but I have many times walked in the girls rest room by mistake, I’m like “oh [censored] sorry ma’am!!”
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Re: Amber Guyger Trial Starts Today..
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09/28/19 12:29 PM
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But the prosecution emphasized that Guyger could have retreated before she opened the door and even afterward. They said she could have backed off and used her police radio to call for help. Police headquarters is just blocks away from the apartment complex. Yeah, because Dallas PD has such a short response time.
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Re: Amber Guyger Trial Starts Today..
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09/28/19 01:13 PM
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Stub I think both sides agree she did not “intentionally” go in the wrong apartment, kill him because she thought he was a burglar. I think everyone agrees it was a “mistake”. The question is if it was a reasonable mistake, and there were several mistakes that are considered.. Like going to the wrong apartment, 15% have done it there, could probably happen to anyone. Reasonable. Bad luck door is unlock a whole bunch of mistakes follow and she finds her self face to face with him pulls gun, reasonable? I think at this point is stretching reasonableness, I would be “oh [censored] dude sorry!!!”...and I would moonwalk out of there.
And before someone ask me how much experience I have walking in on burglars, I have never done that, but I have many times walked in the girls rest room by mistake, I’m like “oh [censored] sorry ma’am!!” Guy I see that almost all agree on that but when I see “Give her the Max” and other statements similar it is very irritating! Obviously there are some that do not respect our Police in general.
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Re: Amber Guyger Trial Starts Today..
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09/28/19 01:17 PM
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This is a terrible incident, and I hate that a man lost his life, but I worry about the word retreat being used in Texas at all. We are a stand your ground state. She made a terrible mistake and should have to pay for it. The option to retreat is an option, a bad one if you are already in control of the situation as she was, no matter how wrong she was. Let someone out of your sight(s) and you lose control of the situation, and possibly your safety. I don’t want to see a new bill from this, much less a new law next September.
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Re: Amber Guyger Trial Starts Today..
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09/28/19 01:30 PM
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This is a terrible incident, and I hate that a man lost his life, but I worry about the word retreat being used in Texas at all. We are a stand your ground state. She made a terrible mistake and should have to pay for it. The option to retreat is an option, a bad one if you are already in control of the situation as she was, no matter how wrong she was. Let someone out of your sight(s) and you lose control of the situation, and possibly your safety. I don’t want to see a new bill from this, much less a new law next September. She was never in control of the situation. That's why a man is dead.
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Re: Amber Guyger Trial Starts Today..
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09/28/19 01:38 PM
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This is a terrible incident, and I hate that a man lost his life, but I worry about the word retreat being used in Texas at all. We are a stand your ground state. She made a terrible mistake and should have to pay for it. The option to retreat is an option, a bad one if you are already in control of the situation as she was, no matter how wrong she was. Let someone out of your sight(s) and you lose control of the situation, and possibly your safety. I don’t want to see a new bill from this, much less a new law next September. She was never in control of the situation. That's why a man is dead. No doubt you’re right, despite your need to point it out, you surely understand my point.
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Re: Amber Guyger Trial Starts Today..
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This is a terrible incident, and I hate that a man lost his life, but I worry about the word retreat being used in Texas at all. We are a stand your ground state. She made a terrible mistake and should have to pay for it. The option to retreat is an option, a bad one if you are already in control of the situation as she was, no matter how wrong she was. Let someone out of your sight(s) and you lose control of the situation, and possibly your safety. I don’t want to see a new bill from this, much less a new law next September. She was never in control of the situation. That's why a man is dead. You are right Bob.. It was impossible for her to be in control of anything after a long days work and being all hopped up on dopamine and endorphins from sexting her adulterous lover. I haven’t heard yet but maybe the prosecutions back up plan is to charge her with texting and driving if the murder conviction falls thru. I mean... She would have not driven to the wrong floor and none of this would have happened if she was not sexting and driving.
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Re: Amber Guyger Trial Starts Today..
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This is a terrible incident, and I hate that a man lost his life, but I worry about the word retreat being used in Texas at all. We are a stand your ground state. She made a terrible mistake and should have to pay for it. The option to retreat is an option, a bad one if you are already in control of the situation as she was, no matter how wrong she was. Let someone out of your sight(s) and you lose control of the situation, and possibly your safety. I don’t want to see a new bill from this, much less a new law next September. She was never in control of the situation. That's why a man is dead. No doubt you’re right, despite your need to point it out, you surely understand my point. Her training says that she should not have entered the apartment and should have backed out, looked for cover and waited for backup. She took 8 hours of de-escalation training but says she doesn’t remember it. https://www.star-telegram.com/news/local/crime/article235512537.htmlIt’s not a stand your ground case, nor a castle doctrine case, nor a self defense case. She wasn’t in her home.
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Re: Amber Guyger Trial Starts Today..
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This is a terrible incident, and I hate that a man lost his life, but I worry about the word retreat being used in Texas at all. We are a stand your ground state. She made a terrible mistake and should have to pay for it. The option to retreat is an option, a bad one if you are already in control of the situation as she was, no matter how wrong she was. Let someone out of your sight(s) and you lose control of the situation, and possibly your safety. I don’t want to see a new bill from this, much less a new law next September. She was never in control of the situation. That's why a man is dead. You are right Bob.. It was impossible for her to be in control of anything after a long days work and being all hopped up on dopamine and endorphins from sexting her adulterous lover. I haven’t heard yet but maybe the prosecutions back up plan is to charge her with texting and driving if the murder conviction falls thru. I mean... She would have not driven to the wrong floor and none of this would have happened if she was not sexting and driving. They were talking on the phone while she was driving, I think. She was texting after she got out of the car.
I just turned it on . I was looking bird dogs in the butt this morning.
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Re: Amber Guyger Trial Starts Today..
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This is a terrible incident, and I hate that a man lost his life, but I worry about the word retreat being used in Texas at all. We are a stand your ground state. She made a terrible mistake and should have to pay for it. The option to retreat is an option, a bad one if you are already in control of the situation as she was, no matter how wrong she was. Let someone out of your sight(s) and you lose control of the situation, and possibly your safety. I don’t want to see a new bill from this, much less a new law next September. I don't see how "stand your ground" would apply. She wasn't in her home, vehicle or place of employment. She shot an unarmed man in his living room.
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Re: Amber Guyger Trial Starts Today..
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This is a terrible incident, and I hate that a man lost his life, but I worry about the word retreat being used in Texas at all. We are a stand your ground state. She made a terrible mistake and should have to pay for it. The option to retreat is an option, a bad one if you are already in control of the situation as she was, no matter how wrong she was. Let someone out of your sight(s) and you lose control of the situation, and possibly your safety. I don’t want to see a new bill from this, much less a new law next September. She was never in control of the situation. That's why a man is dead. No doubt you’re right, despite your need to point it out, you surely understand my point. Her training says that she should not have entered the apartment and should have backed out, looked for cover and waited for backup. She took 8 hours of de-escalation training but says she doesn’t remember it. https://www.star-telegram.com/news/local/crime/article235512537.htmlIt’s not a stand your ground case, nor a castle doctrine case, nor a self defense case. She wasn’t in her home. (Her training says that she should not have entered the apartmen) ?? Why would her training tell her not to go into an apartment she thinks is hers
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Re: Amber Guyger Trial Starts Today..
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She took de-escalation training. The article explains it, Stub.
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Re: Amber Guyger Trial Starts Today..
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The jury will decide. White cop shoots unarmed black man who was eating ice cream. Done deal. They will decide that she is guilty of something.
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She took de-escalation training. The article explains it, Stub. From her word she gave him commands, he moved, she reacted thinking she’s in her own crib
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She took de-escalation training. The article explains it, Stub. From her word she gave him commands, he moved, she reacted thinking she’s in her own crib Wasn't he by the couch still? Didn't they have to move the ottoman to treat him? What is the distance between her and the victim?
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Re: Amber Guyger Trial Starts Today..
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I saw her "crying" on the stand. No tears.
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