Shall not be infringed.................nuff for me to say hell NO.

Hope he is a member and reads this.

Criminals, crazy people will continue to do what they are doing right now. Just because a law is passed, does not mean it will be followed. It physically does not stop a person from meeting another person and buying a firearm. I'm sure every member of this forum has at least one time met someone they knew or didn't know, and purchased a firearm on the tailgate with cash and a handshake. Even law abiding citizens may say "screw them, I'm not doing that". Meaning meeting at an FFL for a transfer. This law will not do a bit of good, because it won't work.

I am an FFL, but only have been since June of this year. I have transferred four firearms, two for one friend whom is an LTC holder, one for another friend whom is an LTC holder, and one for a training customer of mine that purchased a pistol online. He is not an LTC holder yet. I had to do the check via phone call. I'd rather avaoid that, and just deal with LTC holders. But I have to log those transfers in my book, no matter what. If I had 5 in one day, it would take up more of my time that I would like to give it. Where I could be spending my time on something more useful. I didn't even get my FFL for the purpose of doing transfers, I got it so that I could take possession of other people's rifles, mount scopes, do load development, and build nice bolt action rifles. The transfers are just a favor I am doing for friends.

Murder is already illegal, but it still happens every day.

When you find an FFL that will do them for free let us know.

Think you missed my point...State mandates it, State should pay for it.

Also note what this will do for guns passed down from grandaddy.

Dan Patrick (or whom ever he really is )might fail his own bill.

https://www.texasobserver.org/dan-patrick-mental-illness-wendy-davis/

https://blog.chron.com/bigjolly/201...egarding-sen-dan-patricks-mental-health/

https://www.texasmonthly.com/list/the-best-and-worst-legislators-2013/the-worst-senator-dan-patrick/

State mandates I register my truck and buy a hunting license if needed. They ain't paying for CRAP ever!

Yep he is a worm. His chances of being governor are nil.

Only until Texas turns blue

Maybe for your family.

Mine will choose not to participate

"They" can track every transaction. How many you bought and sold....

Beginning of registration.

"they" just dont know how many you started with...

IMO your an idiot if you think this law will stop the killing......so why do it? Only one reason......pandering for votes, period!

No, did not miss the point. The state mandates drivers licenses and LTC and YOU pay for it. No difference with BG check.

Or in the case of a gun given to you by a family member. universal background checks can ONLY work with national gun registration. out.

I see no reason why NCIC isn't open to everyone. Seller enters their info, then buyer. Select type of gun being sold. You either get an "Allowed" or "Denied" response.

Yup

Exactly, it's called appeasement. It never, ever works.

I can go to Home Depot and HEB then go home with enough parts for all kinds of guns, all I will need it to put them together and buy ammo. While I am at it, I can make a few RPG's, or maybe a flame thrower or 2. None of these feel good law proposals will stop "all" of these mass killings.

But in the reality of it all, the so called private sale loop hole will be closed, I am surprised it has been this long to get politicians to try it. But the politicians are more worried about the votes than the people that might get killed. It also is good political public relations and name exposure to show up at the sites of the mass killings.

Agreed

They should make drugs illegal too.

The fact is it cannot be enforced without a registration. Which the supreme Court has already ruled on.

uhhh, sorry charlie! you don't seem to realize that the only way universal background checks can work is if EVERY gun in the country is registered with the fed govt.
if you don't believe that then what is to stop me from selling to joe blo on here after they go into effect and simply bypassing the background check?

^^Precisely!

Nothing stops you from meeting on a county road somewhere, exchanging cash, and both parties go about their business. Same as one of options criminals will use.

This discussion only becomes circular it seems, so not sure of the point in continuing, but I'll provide a thought and call it quits on this topic... I don't have the magic answer, I'm only advocating taking some kind of step as continued inaction of any kind only hurts our position, IMHO. Clearly that's not a shared perspective, but doesn't mean I'm not right. I was wrong once in '91, still trying to get over that... :-)

To Hoppy's first comment... You couldn't be more wrong. Doing a background check, pre-purchase, would/could have nothing to do with a particular firearm. You're just submitting "you" to the background check. Not you and the firearm. It's just a binary "Yes you can" or "No you can't" before you can complete the transaction for whatever it is you're wanting to buy. Certainly at that time, some kind of registration could occur (and the item in question now becomes registered just like any new purchase), doesn't have to though. This is rather pointless with private sale capability as Odessa showed. If all LEGAL sales/transfers have to go through retail/FFL etc. this would help (not THE answer) and it requires no national gun registry but would begin adding pre-owned guns to the database I would assume is there for new purchases, but it is a government process, so who knows. "Would help" is simply defined as one less shooting to be successful. If we all agree with the process required for buying/selling a new firearm, why not the same thing for something used? Besides being a change, we treat used car sales/purchases the same as new and no one seems to care?

"Well Charlie, all the criminals get their guns in illegal ways" or something to that effect... will be a response. I agree, no easy/hard way comes to mind on how to address that. What is unique is most of these mass shooting idiots are not the hardened Chicago hoodie types who have ghost guns or bought it out of a trunk of a car, etc. Most were bought legally I believe, so how do we stop those guys? I don't know, but.....another step that would could help is to consider any living accomplice to a mass event should be prosecuted exactly as the shooter, whether they are dead or alive. Like the guy that bought the body armor for the Ohio shooter, lock his [censored] up just as though he pulled the trigger too. Under the same principle... every gun owner should be personally liable for their serial numbers. Your gun gets used in a shooting, unless you can prove via bill of sale, transfer, theft via Police report, etc that it's not yours anymore, you're on the hook for the crime as well. Maybe everyone takes more responsibility for storage, if they give it to their bud to use (The couple in CA that shot up the City Water Dept, someone bought the rifles for them) and so on.

To close the above point and to Hoppy's second comment... Let's say the private sale thing went away and all transactions/transfers had to be FFL for example. Could you still give the law the finger and do it without it? Absolutely... but I bet you would think twice about it if you were personally liable for that serial number and it's future use. There's a responsibility that comes with owning a firearm, most folks accept it, but not all.

I'm going to go watch my Saints put the big hurt on the Texans. Who Dat!

Needs. Judicial expediency. Prime time executions. They get their moment of fame. I would suggest the guillotine. Always popular to see heads roll.