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Post Fire help
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07/30/19 07:28 PM
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hookemhorns
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God is deep but he is not complicated.
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Re: Post Fire help
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#7568003
07/30/19 07:32 PM
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unclebubba
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You may be in luck. When it rains and you get new growth, that area may draw in deer like a food plot. Question is, will it happen this fall or will it happen in spring?
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Re: Post Fire help
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#7568012
07/30/19 07:56 PM
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fishbait
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My 2 cents....you will see something positive in a week...
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Re: Post Fire help
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#7568014
07/30/19 07:57 PM
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Texas buckeye
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one of the best things for deer habitat is fire. Wait, you will see something great out of this fire!
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Re: Post Fire help
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#7568015
07/30/19 07:57 PM
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one of the best things for deer habitat is fire. Wait, you will see something great out of this fire!
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Re: Post Fire help
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#7568029
07/30/19 08:16 PM
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Schat
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Re: Post Fire help
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07/30/19 08:39 PM
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Schat
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Yoakum county fire in March of 2019 ![[Linked Image]](https://texashuntingforum.com/forum/pics/userpics/2019/07/full-61852-195260-img_0788.jpg) June of 2019 same fire scar from different locations ![[Linked Image]](https://texashuntingforum.com/forum/pics/userpics/2019/07/full-61852-195262-june_20190_a.jpg) you can see the difference in the head fire on the left and none burned on the right ![[Linked Image]](https://texashuntingforum.com/forum/pics/userpics/2019/07/full-61852-195263-june_2019_004.jpg) Good regrowth in sandy soils
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Re: Post Fire help
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#7568101
07/30/19 09:44 PM
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stxranchman
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The deer will be in that burn area as soon as it greens up. It will be like a food plot. If you had adequate ground moisture that green up will happen very quickly in the summer time. I have seen deer utilize and stay in the burn areas for up to 2-3 yrs or it starts to get mature.
Are idiots multiplying faster than normal people?
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Re: Post Fire help
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#7568140
07/30/19 10:16 PM
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hookemhorns
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Schat, what did you plant?
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Re: Post Fire help
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#7568144
07/30/19 10:21 PM
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stxranchman
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Schat, what did you plant? Most do not plant anything. That looks like mostly native vegetation to that area. If the fire was not to hot and you had good soil moisture then most of the vegetation will regrow on its own. Fire helps some seeds to break down the seed coat so they can grow after a rain.
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Re: Post Fire help
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#7568151
07/30/19 10:30 PM
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Always ready 2 hunt
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Brush in a ground blind and get ready with prayers for rain. Bucks may have black on horns but don't fret as others have said it can be a good productive outcome.
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Re: Post Fire help
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#7568152
07/30/19 10:32 PM
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fishdfly
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The Indians burned routinely, they knew what they were doing.
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Re: Post Fire help
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#7568878
07/31/19 06:39 PM
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Schat
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Never planted a thing, good ground moisture a couple of showers, Rarely do we plant anything. The only time we recommend planting is for erosion or is no black ash lift Fire timing is the key and not over grazed/ brush choked before the fire. land owners may choice to plant , because the black ground is a huge change.
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Re: Post Fire help
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#7569279
08/01/19 11:23 AM
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Smokey Bear
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Fertilize it in advance of rain. As mentioned, deer will quickly find and feed in burn areas as they green up.
Smokey Bear---Lone Star State.
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Re: Post Fire help
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08/01/19 01:37 PM
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Schat
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There is some caution in fertilizing, This only applies if the if exotics present , such as old world bluestems, Leimen's love grass, and some times Mesquite will out compete the natives plants, If fertilized some plants are more nitrogen depended for growth or better Nitrogen fixers ( Mesquite). Fertilizers are used in forested areas , because trees respond to the increase nitrogen. Black ash is natures fertilizer as carbon is available for several uses. Fire significantly affects soil properties because organic matter (OM) located on, or near, the soil surface is rapidly combusted. The changes in OM, in turn, affect several chemical, physical, and microbiological properties of the underlying soil. Although some nutrients are volatilized and lost, most nutrients are made more available. Fire acts as a rapid mineralizing agent that releases nutrients instantaneously as contrasted to natural decomposition processes, which may require years or, in some cases, decades. This is an egghead way of saying fertilizer is an option, but cation is a must with Mesquite and not so deer/wildlife friendly plants. Paper on soil and fire below https://forest.moscowfsl.wsu.edu/smp/solo/documents/GTRs/INT_280/DeBano_INT-280.php
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Re: Post Fire help
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#7569383
08/01/19 01:47 PM
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Wytex
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Fire is your friend, the family burns the Cooke Co place every year. If you get some rain it will green up fast as stated by others. Good luck this fall , you may have the best spot to hunt.
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Re: Post Fire help
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#7569675
08/01/19 08:07 PM
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with rain at the right time, may be a really good thing, good luck
hold on Newt, we got a runaway
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Re: Post Fire help-gathering information
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#7569690
08/01/19 08:21 PM
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B_Man
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Schat and others,
Please share some information about your training and expertise on burning. We have a spot in Hall County near Childress and would love to do some controlled burns out there but I am afraid we would burn the county down.
1, did you guys get some formalized training for doing controlled burns? 2. does anybody or a group do control burns up in that area? 3. any other information would be greatly appreciated.
thanks
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Re: Post Fire help-gathering information
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08/01/19 08:30 PM
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stxranchman
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https://www.texasagriculture.gov/Home/ProductionAgriculture/PrescribedBurnProgram.aspxhttps://agrilife.org/rxburn/PM Ranch Dog on here, I think he is a Burn Manager. Your local NRCS, TPWD Biologist or County Agent can help or get you in touch with help. Schat and others,
Please share some information about your training and expertise on burning. We have a spot in Hall County near Childress and would love to do some controlled burns out there but I am afraid we would burn the county down.
1, did you guys get some formalized training for doing controlled burns? 2. does anybody or a group do control burns up in that area? 3. any other information would be greatly appreciated.
thanks
Are idiots multiplying faster than normal people?
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Re: Post Fire help-gathering information
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#7569709
08/01/19 08:42 PM
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SnakeWrangler
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The deer will be in that burn area as soon as it greens up. It will be like a food plot. If you had adequate ground moisture that green up will happen very quickly in the summer time. I have seen deer utilize and stay in the burn areas for up to 2-3 yrs or it starts to get mature. This^^^^
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Re: Post Fire help-gathering information
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08/01/19 09:02 PM
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HuntnFly67
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Might plant a blend of food plot seed mix in a wide-ish (20'-30'), super thick/dense (2x) application, in a somewhat irregularly shaped/wobbly sendero/wagon wheel spoke configuration. Configure the 'food plot strips' outwardly from your hunting spot. Let Mother Nature fill in the voids with her groceries. The man-made mix may or may not take, that is why I'd split the feed bill with God rather than worry about turning all +/50 acres into some all you can eat buffet.
Additionally, the irregular/semi-winding shape of your 'mini-plots' may offer just enough cover that in a few seasons it'll help put a wary old buck at ease. Make him think he is still hidden.
If the feeder was on the east edge of the burn, moving it to the west edge of the burn, between the pinch point of the cotton and wheat fields might be warranted. Looks like you probably access that spot from the east or south already, so northerly/northwesterly prevailing winds in the Panhandle should continue to make ingress/egress good.
I'd be optimistic for the upcoming Fall.
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Re: Post Fire help-gathering information
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08/05/19 05:19 PM
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B_Man
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thanks for the information stxranchman. Hopefully I sent a PM to Ranch Dog correctly.
thanks
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Re: Post Fire help-gathering information
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08/06/19 09:58 AM
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Dave Davidson
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My personal experience is that a fast moving fire can be a good thing. It takes out all of the junk. A slow moving fire is "It all depends.".
Without a sense of urgency, nothing ever happens.
Boy, if I say "sic em", you'd better look for something to bite. Sam Shelley, Rancher Muleshoe Texas 1892-1985 RIP
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Re: Post Fire help-gathering information
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08/06/19 05:02 PM
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Schat
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Schat and others,
Please share some information about your training and expertise on burning. We have a spot in Hall County near Childress and would love to do some controlled burns out there but I am afraid we would burn the county down.
1, did you guys get some formalized training for doing controlled burns? 2. does anybody or a group do control burns up in that area? 3. any other information would be greatly appreciated.
thanks
Please reply as a PM , Yes I have formalized training, and 20+ years of learning about burning. I have access to staff and some equipment for burning. I would be glad to assist any one with burning or in contact with burn association that aid in doing the same thing.
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