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7mm-08, IMR4350, 140 gr solid base Nosler and 97 degree temps
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Ok, I shot a round robin of 3 rounds per load. Started with 45 gr as that worked in my last 7mm-08. Went up by .3 gr per load and stopped at 47 (1 gr over max by some books). Brass was PPU Primers BR2's
Velocity 45 gr = 2637,2655,2666 45.3 = 2670,2679,2667 45.6 = 2705,2709, 2693 45.9 = 2738,2675,2745 46.2 = 2745, 2768, 2736 46.5 = 2767, 2779, 2721 46.8 = 2788, 2794, 2795 47.0 = 2795, 2799, 2810
I'm seeing two relative flat spots - one at the 45.3-45.6 and another at the 46.8-47. All speeds measured by Magnetospeed. With it on the barrel, shots were low by a couple of inches. Total group for all shots was about a 3" x 2" (high) group at 100. With the temps at 97 today, I'm thinking the 46.8-47 group would be where to work on. I can shoot it again when temps get down oh, say, 30 degrees or so just to check. And, the group at 45 was just under an inch (sans-magnetospeed as breakin shots).
Thoughts?
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Re: 7mm-08, IMR4350, 140 gr solid base Nosler and 97 degree temps
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Is the use of I4350 negotiable at all? All my 7-08's loved Varget. That being said, I think you could possibly go .5gr higher, to 47.5gr and see what happens as well. At those velocities I don't think you're bumping max pressure yet.
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Re: 7mm-08, IMR4350, 140 gr solid base Nosler and 97 degree temps
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07/29/19 04:03 AM
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Just for the info I’d love to know what the difference in velocity is between heat of summer and much colder temps. I used 100 grain soft points over IMR4350 for about 4 years with no issues. Only a hunting gun and worked up all my loads during the heat of the summer.
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Re: 7mm-08, IMR4350, 140 gr solid base Nosler and 97 degree temps
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07/29/19 12:33 PM
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I'm shocked you still have a stash of Nosler Solid base bullets.
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Re: 7mm-08, IMR4350, 140 gr solid base Nosler and 97 degree temps
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Here you go redchevy ![[Linked Image]](https://texashuntingforum.com/forum/pics/userpics/2019/07/full-31762-195077-4ac2ee39_36e8_4cb4_a27f_9754f0c297b3.png)
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Re: 7mm-08, IMR4350, 140 gr solid base Nosler and 97 degree temps
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07/29/19 12:39 PM
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Groups, three by four inches at 100 yards? 
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Re: 7mm-08, IMR4350, 140 gr solid base Nosler and 97 degree temps
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07/29/19 12:58 PM
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H110 being so far down that list explains why pigs I kill in the summer with the 45 Colt are so much deader than winter pigs. 
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Re: 7mm-08, IMR4350, 140 gr solid base Nosler and 97 degree temps
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07/29/19 01:27 PM
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Thanks much for the info, don't believe I had ever stumbled across that before, will take a note of it. Using that as a rule I only lost about 38 fps from 90 degrees to 30 degrees using the IMR, H with those values would have been a little less than 1/2 that. I bought a magnetospeed Saturday so will have to try it out. Was going to put it on my 10/22 out the back door, but got busy with other productive stuff. Thanks again
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Re: 7mm-08, IMR4350, 140 gr solid base Nosler and 97 degree temps
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Groups, three by four inches at 100 yards?  Way I read that is all the shots of varying charges etc. were all fired into one group that was 3x2, but may be wrong.
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Re: 7mm-08, IMR4350, 140 gr solid base Nosler and 97 degree temps
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redchevy, you are correct. All of the shots grouped in that space. I was limited to a max of 100 yards on this range.
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Re: 7mm-08, IMR4350, 140 gr solid base Nosler and 97 degree temps
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So what was the size group for each individual powder charge?
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Re: 7mm-08, IMR4350, 140 gr solid base Nosler and 97 degree temps
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The two best were under an inch. The upper 'node' was just over a half an inch, the lower 'node' was a little bit larger. All of the others were from an inch to an inch and a half.
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Re: 7mm-08, IMR4350, 140 gr solid base Nosler and 97 degree temps
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Thanks, DStroud, for the list; very useful comparison.
As far as IMR 4350 goes, I have used it for over 30 years as my go-to all-purpose powder in five different cartridges. I have tested it extensively, mostly in a .270 Win, at a range of temperatures and found it to be very temperature sensitive, much more so than indicated in the list. I have measured velocity spreads of 80 to 100 fps between 30 and 90 degrees. For that reason, I am starting to use more Varget, H4350, and IMR 4451. I have found they are not "temperature-insensitive" as advertised, but about 1/3 as sensitive as IMR 4350.
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Re: 7mm-08, IMR4350, 140 gr solid base Nosler and 97 degree temps
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I would assume a lot of the velocity swing could depend on your load development also. If you load to the middle of a node it might not have as big of an effect. If you just pick a powder charge and load it might have more of an effect.
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Re: 7mm-08, IMR4350, 140 gr solid base Nosler and 97 degree temps
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So what was the size group for each individual powder charge? Out of curiosity, do you guys trust the groups you shoot with a magneto speed on your barrel?
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Re: 7mm-08, IMR4350, 140 gr solid base Nosler and 97 degree temps
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I would assume a lot of the velocity swing could depend on your load development also. If you load to the middle of a node it might not have as big of an effect. If you just pick a powder charge and load it might have more of an effect. If I found a node, I'll pick the high side of the node when its in the summer, since you won't move higher in the node since its hot ( 90 to 95 degrees ), so that way you have a wider node when its cools off instead of picking the middle of the node.
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Re: 7mm-08, IMR4350, 140 gr solid base Nosler and 97 degree temps
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So what was the size group for each individual powder charge? Out of curiosity, do you guys trust the groups you shoot with a magneto speed on your barrel? No, so I don't clamp a Magnetospeed to the barrels.
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Re: 7mm-08, IMR4350, 140 gr solid base Nosler and 97 degree temps
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I'm shocked you still have a stash of Nosler Solid base bullets. Scott, I found them at a gun show for $17. 
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Re: 7mm-08, IMR4350, 140 gr solid base Nosler and 97 degree temps
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I'm shocked you still have a stash of Nosler Solid base bullets. I still have 100 6mm sp and only load for sight in and hunting.
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Re: 7mm-08, IMR4350, 140 gr solid base Nosler and 97 degree temps
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What is your barrel length? My 18 1/2 inch barrel seems to be 100 fps slower than yours.
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Re: 7mm-08, IMR4350, 140 gr solid base Nosler and 97 degree temps
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