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Re: Skilled Labor Careers
[Re: LarryCopper]
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05/01/19 09:32 PM
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I am a COMMERCIAL HVAC installer. I make a good living. Enjoy what I do for the most part. I also learned and do plumbing. Most shops do both. Every shop I have worked for do both. He can even go the union route and get ins and Benefits.
If he chooses to go that route don’t aste time or money on trade school. You can learn both with on the job. Most people I have ever worked with that come from those schools don’t really know what they are doing after.
While I will prob never get rich doing what I do, and will have bad knees and a back, and will work till I can no longer work would I recommend it to him? Maybe if if he was in my position, 18 years old and have kids on the way with no other plan. Mc Donald’s wasn’t gunna cut it.
I would love to do something else. Maybe grow pot one day.
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Re: Skilled Labor Careers
[Re: hopalong]
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05/01/19 09:35 PM
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plumber: apprentice for 2-3 yrs. and take the test to get your license, another 5-6 probably to get masters license. work commercial plumbing to get the best pay/experience
electrician: apprentice 3-4 yrs. and test for license, another 8-10 for masters, dangerous job and you can get killed, better be serious about this one. great pay and not that hard on commercial work, usually work in teams. pulling wire and installing rough in is hard work, fixtures and such are gravy work.
trade school for plumber or electrician, maybe, if he is not college material he may not do well there.
those 2 trades will never be out of work, there is always repair and new install going on with commercial and residential both, if you can do commercial you have residential whipped.
hvac, yeah, maybe, can pay well or be a total chit job. way too much competition unless you find a niche that no one else is in (probably a good reason for it).
auto tech, pays well, work will always be there and learning about electric vehicles would be a huge plus right now. have to work at a dealer to get the steady pay benefits I imagine but most I have seen lately have extremely clean shop areas.
diesel tech, huge demand in trucking businesses, only work for a major carrier though or risk being screwed bad by the smaller ones. trade school to learn that one and get a certificate and probably job placement.
he needs to figure out what he likes to do and then just do it, offer a list or just ask him but don't try to make up his mind as to what it should be or he probably won't stick it out long enough to make the big bucks. I did pretty well as a carpenter but no way would I recommend that one these days.
Great List Hop Electrician. If he can cut it, focus on controls Plumbing Diesel Mechanic
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Re: Skilled Labor Careers
[Re: LarryCopper]
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05/01/19 09:37 PM
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Re: Skilled Labor Careers
[Re: LarryCopper]
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05/01/19 09:45 PM
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Pipe fitter. He can work in a refinery 9-5 and play plumber on weekends for extra cash if he wants. For the short term I'd suggest getting him his class A CDL if his hearrt condition will pass physical. Getcha' one of those and keep your driving record clean and you'll always have a job.
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Re: Skilled Labor Careers
[Re: LarryCopper]
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05/01/19 09:54 PM
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He always wanted to be a soldier and that would be perfect for him right now, but he has a mild heart condition that disqualifies him.
Do you think his condition disqualify him for becoming a policeman? If he was interested in the military, he might like that one.
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Re: Skilled Labor Careers
[Re: LarryCopper]
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05/01/19 10:12 PM
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Welding. Specialty welding.
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Re: Skilled Labor Careers
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05/01/19 10:14 PM
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Re: Skilled Labor Careers
[Re: fadetoblack64]
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05/01/19 10:16 PM
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Sprinkler systems and pool builder You “backflow license” holder.
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Re: Skilled Labor Careers
[Re: SnakeWrangler]
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05/01/19 10:17 PM
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Gigolo. That's my next adventure... Tired of paying them....... Skinnerback, this has potential! We’ll call it “Brokeback Services”
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Re: Skilled Labor Careers
[Re: Palehorse]
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05/01/19 10:32 PM
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He always wanted to be a soldier and that would be perfect for him right now, but he has a mild heart condition that disqualifies him.
Do you think his condition disqualify him for becoming a policeman? If he was interested in the military, he might like that one. Good question and idea... I'll find out.
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Re: Skilled Labor Careers
[Re: LarryCopper]
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05/01/19 11:00 PM
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Security installation, especially if he has any computer skills or is willing to develop them. Really interesting work and everyone learns on the job.
Same can be said of fire alarm business.
Both have been my home for 35 years.
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Re: Skilled Labor Careers
[Re: LarryCopper]
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05/01/19 11:04 PM
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has he had any technical drawing or drafting background thru any classes in high school? what about computers, gaming, programming, etc. very high demand and I don't see that slowing down.
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Re: Skilled Labor Careers
[Re: LarryCopper]
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05/01/19 11:11 PM
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Re: Skilled Labor Careers
[Re: LarryCopper]
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05/01/19 11:11 PM
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Welder will pay the best but work comes and goes and so traveling can be required. Whatever he does, if he wants to eventually own his own business, stay away from seasonal type jobs (landscape, roadwork, pools etc) when its booming it is, but lots of folks have a hard time managing mo ey in the off season. Top list would be an auto mechanic, specifically diesel. Your run of the mill passe ger vehicle folks will nickel and dime themselves to death, but your over the road guys will pay some top dollar to get their money maker back on the roads, especially with how strick DOT is. Dont rule out plumbing and electrical either. County and state employees get paid pretty well with some great benefits.
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Re: Skilled Labor Careers
[Re: LarryCopper]
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05/01/19 11:21 PM
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The hardest things to get fixed out here in small town America are electrical and HVAC issues. We have finally found a dependable outfit that does both. Plenty of mechanics around here and plumbers often encounter yucky problems. I vote a combo Electrical/HVAC.
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Re: Skilled Labor Careers
[Re: LarryCopper]
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05/01/19 11:22 PM
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Buy a lawnmower or two, a good weed eater and get to work tomorrow. Run a few ads, make some business cards and take it as far as he wants too. Instant success and cash flow, low overhead.
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Re: Skilled Labor Careers
[Re: LarryCopper]
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05/01/19 11:30 PM
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Re: Skilled Labor Careers
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05/01/19 11:35 PM
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Buy a lawnmower or two, a good weed eater and get to work tomorrow. Run a few ads, make some business cards and take it as far as he wants too. Instant success and cash flow, low overhead. I would have a different suggestion for many reasons.
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Re: Skilled Labor Careers
[Re: RattlesnakeDan]
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05/01/19 11:54 PM
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Buy a lawnmower or two, a good weed eater and get to work tomorrow. Run a few ads, make some business cards and take it as far as he wants too. Instant success and cash flow, low overhead. Small engine repair can also pretty decent.
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Re: Skilled Labor Careers
[Re: LarryCopper]
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05/02/19 12:12 AM
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Something pertaining to OSHA might be a good option
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Re: Skilled Labor Careers
[Re: ducknbass]
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05/02/19 12:54 AM
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He could call IEC that stands for Independent electrical contractors they are a school out of Irving they will help him get placed the contractor that he goes to work for will pay for his school with IEC and in four years he can be a journeyman making twenty-five bucks an hour give or take with the market does between now and then top end on those guys right now is mid thirties. I did it for a long time is good work but you better like to work and I mean a lot the commercial industry in Dallas runs 60 hours a week on the low-end high-end 80s I've worked plenty of 100-hour weeks there's decent money in it but once you become a family man gets old. little while you get all those certifications and that experience under your belt you can kind of bounce around and get other jobs making a little bit less money with a lot less stress so it's not a bad trade plumbers make more than electricians even though electricians don't like to admit that. HVAC guys make about the same as electricians I believe. Indeed IEC training is good, and a lot of shops will pay for you to go. Journeyman in 4 years, master in 2 more years. But then there is always that annoying exam.
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Re: Skilled Labor Careers
[Re: LarryCopper]
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05/02/19 12:58 AM
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Welder Auto or diesel tech Plumber
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Re: Skilled Labor Careers
[Re: LarryCopper]
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05/02/19 01:07 AM
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Don't forget telecommunications.
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Re: Skilled Labor Careers
[Re: LarryCopper]
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05/02/19 01:20 AM
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Just about any of them except he needs to like what he does. Is he mechanically inclined? leans towards electrical or technology? Get a job in it, learn it, master it and then he should look at starting his own business. There is always a shortage of quality contractors that truly take care of customers.
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Re: Skilled Labor Careers
[Re: LarryCopper]
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05/02/19 01:31 AM
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I have been the HVAC field for 15 yrs now and really enjoy it and wish I had gotten in to before I did. There are a lot of different things you can do in this industry service, installs, duct work. This his hard work can be outdoors in high and low temps. bad weather, or indoors in attics in 100 plus temps., or on construction sites with no climate control. On the service end the hours can be long with a good company doing easily 50 hours a week or more and then add being on call. I have had to cut back on my hours due to my wife's health but on a average I still get home around 6:30 right now. There are lots of tools to be bought and after your hand tools you are looking at a average of $200 for the other tools.
My boss and owner of the company will own the company for just two years now however, he started working here when he was in his teens and he is now in his mid 30's.
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