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 Re: Is it Purely a Supply vs Demand Issue
[Re: The Zen Master]
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02/19/19 12:19 PM
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I find it hard to believe it is so tough to find a place to hunt. My landlord, who could probably afford to hunt wherever he wants, hunts davy crockett national forest and not because it's free. Apparently the hunting there is just that good and the woods are loaded with deer.
On top of that, members of this forum have been very generous to me. The only reason I haven't hunted here yet is because I don't have the time. I'm pretty swamped.
That said, I have some relatives that pay a handsome sum every year just in property tax for just a couple of acres. A whole lot more than most people are spending for their deer lease.javascript:quickReply(7438241,1,0)
If I had land I can't imagine I'd lease it to anyone for any sum, but might have to in order to cover the taxes if I ever retired. Think about that! Makes you wonder how many people lease just to cover the damn property taxes.
If you want to hunt for free, drive to a place where you can. If it's too far to make a day of it, go camping and make a weekend out of it. It's not rocket surgery. Good habitat is available damn near for free, you can still hunt for less than the cost of meat in the store if you do a little homework. Although to be fair, others did the homework for me and pointed me in the right direction. Thank you - Davy Crockett National Forest has a nice ring to it! I will check out your recommendations. It's about a 4 hour drive from DFW. But it is freaking huge. The TPWD managed portion is small but the entire park is huge and you can get a permit to hunt it for a whole lot less than the cheapest one day hog hunt I have found online.
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Re: Is it Purely a Supply vs Demand Issue
[Re: DQ Kid]
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02/19/19 12:24 PM
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The Zen Master
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Eventually, greed will kill Texas hunting.
Patriotic Texas business owners and land owners will continue to put their own self-interests first and hire low wage illegal alien labor that won't talk back (new democrat voters), and/or sell their land to the highest bidder from Kalifornia (more democrat voters), and then complain about what "liberals" are/have done to Texas when those democrat voters elect Beto and/or Bernie Sanders.
If people really cared about the issue they would be talking about ways to acquire excellent hunting land and convert it to State Parks or National Forests - for the benefit of future generations.
And that, gentlemen, is the underlying principle of my original inquiry.
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Re: Is it Purely a Supply vs Demand Issue
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02/19/19 12:29 PM
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The Zen Master
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I find it hard to believe it is so tough to find a place to hunt. My landlord, who could probably afford to hunt wherever he wants, hunts davy crockett national forest and not because it's free. Apparently the hunting there is just that good and the woods are loaded with deer.
On top of that, members of this forum have been very generous to me. The only reason I haven't hunted here yet is because I don't have the time. I'm pretty swamped.
That said, I have some relatives that pay a handsome sum every year just in property tax for just a couple of acres. A whole lot more than most people are spending for their deer lease.javascript:quickReply(7438241,1,0)
If I had land I can't imagine I'd lease it to anyone for any sum, but might have to in order to cover the taxes if I ever retired. Think about that! Makes you wonder how many people lease just to cover the damn property taxes.
If you want to hunt for free, drive to a place where you can. If it's too far to make a day of it, go camping and make a weekend out of it. It's not rocket surgery. Good habitat is available damn near for free, you can still hunt for less than the cost of meat in the store if you do a little homework. Although to be fair, others did the homework for me and pointed me in the right direction. Thank you - Davy Crockett National Forest has a nice ring to it! I will check out your recommendations. It's about a 4 hour drive from DFW. But it is freaking huge. The TPWD managed portion is small but the entire park is huge and you can get a permit to hunt it for a whole lot less than the cheapest one day hog hunt I have found online. Thank you, it sounds great! I had never even heard of the place before - not for lack of asking...
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Re: Is it Purely a Supply vs Demand Issue
[Re: DQ Kid]
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02/19/19 12:33 PM
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Re: Is it Purely a Supply vs Demand Issue
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02/19/19 12:35 PM
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...and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth. Gen. 1:28
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Re: Is it Purely a Supply vs Demand Issue
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02/19/19 12:42 PM
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There are plenty of leasing/hunting "spots" available from $300 dollar East Texas "hog" leases to your premium areas in South Texas. I didn't advertise here (family first), but we had two openings on our place for the coming season and our current rate is $6.50ish an acre for leasing rights. This price has been in the $6.00 per acre range for 24 years now
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Re: Is it Purely a Supply vs Demand Issue
[Re: The Zen Master]
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02/19/19 12:58 PM
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So, it is greed that is killing hunting? Interesting... The fact that you can't afford or won't pay the price I put on my product has nothing to do with greed unless we classify greed as wanting something for nothing or less than market value. Nobody is making you hunt but should you choose to then hunt state land that seems to be the cheapest route, your chances won't be as good as hunting private but to do that you have to step up in price. Now should you want to really increase your chances at taking a really big buck you'll have to step it up again. Hell there's ranches out there that I can't afford to hunt so I just stay within my means. I certainly don't complain about their prices! And about that "It's the states deer". The days the states decides to start picking up the bill for the management costs of feeding and maintaining the deer on my place I'll consider them the States Deer, other wise I determine the price and that price is based upon market value. The landowners in this state to a better job of maintaining and management than the state ever could and that's only because deer are a marketable product. If the land owners had no control over what can and can't be taken off their property every county in the state would be shot out!
Yes! A Weatherby does kill them deader.
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Re: Is it Purely a Supply vs Demand Issue
[Re: The Zen Master]
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02/19/19 01:06 PM
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I find it hard to believe it is so tough to find a place to hunt. My landlord, who could probably afford to hunt wherever he wants, hunts davy crockett national forest and not because it's free. Apparently the hunting there is just that good and the woods are loaded with deer.
On top of that, members of this forum have been very generous to me. The only reason I haven't hunted here yet is because I don't have the time. I'm pretty swamped.
That said, I have some relatives that pay a handsome sum every year just in property tax for just a couple of acres. A whole lot more than most people are spending for their deer lease.javascript:quickReply(7438241,1,0)
If I had land I can't imagine I'd lease it to anyone for any sum, but might have to in order to cover the taxes if I ever retired. Think about that! Makes you wonder how many people lease just to cover the damn property taxes.
If you want to hunt for free, drive to a place where you can. If it's too far to make a day of it, go camping and make a weekend out of it. It's not rocket surgery. Good habitat is available damn near for free, you can still hunt for less than the cost of meat in the store if you do a little homework. Although to be fair, others did the homework for me and pointed me in the right direction. Thank you - Davy Crockett National Forest has a nice ring to it! I will check out your recommendations. It's about a 4 hour drive from DFW. But it is freaking huge. The TPWD managed portion is small but the entire park is huge and you can get a permit to hunt it for a whole lot less than the cheapest one day hog hunt I have found online. Thank you, it sounds great! I had never even heard of the place before - not for lack of asking... In typical helpless form you couldn't even google public land on Texas. Needed someone to hold your wittle hand.
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Re: Is it Purely a Supply vs Demand Issue
[Re: The Zen Master]
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02/19/19 01:08 PM
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Eventually, greed will kill Texas hunting.
Patriotic Texas business owners and land owners will continue to put their own self-interests first and hire low wage illegal alien labor that won't talk back (new democrat voters), and/or sell their land to the highest bidder from Kalifornia (more democrat voters), and then complain about what "liberals" are/have done to Texas when those democrat voters elect Beto and/or Bernie Sanders.
If people really cared about the issue they would be talking about ways to acquire excellent hunting land and convert it to State Parks or National Forests - for the benefit of future generations.
And that, gentlemen, is the underlying principle of my original inquiry. The crack. Get off it bro.
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Re: Is it Purely a Supply vs Demand Issue
[Re: DQ Kid]
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02/19/19 01:15 PM
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I'm reminded of a few former members, most here only briefly,  but one in particular had real staying power. The type that try to come off as MENSA members, but their socratic method sux. Are we taking up a collection later? 
...and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth. Gen. 1:28
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Re: Is it Purely a Supply vs Demand Issue
[Re: Creekrunner]
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02/19/19 01:41 PM
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Re: Is it Purely a Supply vs Demand Issue
[Re: The Zen Master]
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02/19/19 01:45 PM
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I find it hard to believe it is so tough to find a place to hunt. My landlord, who could probably afford to hunt wherever he wants, hunts davy crockett national forest and not because it's free. Apparently the hunting there is just that good and the woods are loaded with deer.
On top of that, members of this forum have been very generous to me. The only reason I haven't hunted here yet is because I don't have the time. I'm pretty swamped.
That said, I have some relatives that pay a handsome sum every year just in property tax for just a couple of acres. A whole lot more than most people are spending for their deer lease.javascript:quickReply(7438241,1,0)
If I had land I can't imagine I'd lease it to anyone for any sum, but might have to in order to cover the taxes if I ever retired. Think about that! Makes you wonder how many people lease just to cover the damn property taxes.
If you want to hunt for free, drive to a place where you can. If it's too far to make a day of it, go camping and make a weekend out of it. It's not rocket surgery. Good habitat is available damn near for free, you can still hunt for less than the cost of meat in the store if you do a little homework. Although to be fair, others did the homework for me and pointed me in the right direction. Thank you - Davy Crockett National Forest has a nice ring to it! I will check out your recommendations. So you come on here a troll the hell out of hunters and landowners about lease costs, but we’re to lazy to look up public land(that actually you own) hunting opportunities? Over 5 million acres in three states, all with in 6 hours of you. Not including the land access lease program that opens up private land to the public. Wow
Far better it is to dare mighty things, to win glorious triumphs, even though checkered by failure, than to take rank with those poor spirits who neither enjoy much nor suffer much, b/c they know not victory nor defeat"- #26 TR
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Re: Is it Purely a Supply vs Demand Issue
[Re: ducknbass]
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02/19/19 02:32 PM
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Dang I spent 30 minutes today arguing with a guy from cedar Creek. That's how boring my job is. Literally cedar Creek next I'll get bored and try and sell tooth paste in Quinlan Dang I spent 30 minutes today arguing with a guy from cedar Creek. That's how boring my job is. Literally cedar Creek next I'll get bored and try and sell tooth paste in Quinlan 
Life is too short, as is. Don't chance it.
Don't text and drive.
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Re: Is it Purely a Supply vs Demand Issue
[Re: The Zen Master]
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02/19/19 02:48 PM
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If people really cared about the issue they would be talking about ways to acquire excellent hunting land and convert it to State Parks or National Forests - for the benefit of future generations.
And that, gentlemen, is the underlying principle of my original inquiry.
That's the exact point. Most people don't care if "poor people" don't have a place to hunt. There's already plenty of public land for everyone to hunt. It's a non-issue that you are trying to make an issue. Since you care so much yourself why don't you buy a piece of property and donate it to the state...for the benefit of future generations. 
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Re: Is it Purely a Supply vs Demand Issue
[Re: The Zen Master]
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02/19/19 03:01 PM
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Eventually, greed will kill Texas hunting.
Patriotic Texas business owners and land owners will continue to put their own self-interests first and hire low wage illegal alien labor that won't talk back (new democrat voters), and/or sell their land to the highest bidder from Kalifornia (more democrat voters), and then complain about what "liberals" are/have done to Texas when those democrat voters elect Beto and/or Bernie Sanders.
If people really cared about the issue they would be talking about ways to acquire excellent hunting land and convert it to State Parks or National Forests - for the benefit of future generations.
And that, gentlemen, is the underlying principle of my original inquiry. When you work hard your whole life to buy a piece of land to retire on, and are forced to lease your legacy out to ungrateful people because your property taxes are too high to just retire in peace, you can talk about greedy landowners.
Joshua 1:9
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Re: Is it Purely a Supply vs Demand Issue
[Re: 10 Gauge]
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02/19/19 09:37 PM
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Eventually, greed will kill Texas hunting.
Patriotic Texas business owners and land owners will continue to put their own self-interests first and hire low wage illegal alien labor that won't talk back (new democrat voters), and/or sell their land to the highest bidder from Kalifornia (more democrat voters), and then complain about what "liberals" are/have done to Texas when those democrat voters elect Beto and/or Bernie Sanders.
If people really cared about the issue they would be talking about ways to acquire excellent hunting land and convert it to State Parks or National Forests - for the benefit of future generations.
And that, gentlemen, is the underlying principle of my original inquiry. When you work hard your whole life to buy a piece of land to retire on, and are forced to lease your legacy out to ungrateful people because your property taxes are too high to just retire in peace, you can talk about greedy landowners. He is ignorant or just doesn’t care to learn since all his points are already in place. , no point In explaining to him texas has actually increased its public land holding and that there is legislative measures/programs in place to pay voluntary private Landowner lease money and reduced liability for public access.
Far better it is to dare mighty things, to win glorious triumphs, even though checkered by failure, than to take rank with those poor spirits who neither enjoy much nor suffer much, b/c they know not victory nor defeat"- #26 TR
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Re: Is it Purely a Supply vs Demand Issue
[Re: Pitchfork Predator]
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02/19/19 10:06 PM
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The Zen Master = The Zen is looking for a welfare system for hunters. He wants the taxpayers of the State of Texas to buy land so he can hunt without a lease.
Combat Infantryman, the ultimate hunter where the prey shoots back.
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Re: Is it Purely a Supply vs Demand Issue
[Re: ducknbass]
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02/19/19 10:42 PM
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Dang I spent 30 minutes today arguing with a guy from cedar Creek. That's how boring my job is. Literally cedar Creek next I'll get bored and try and sell tooth paste in Quinlan Found a toothbrush to put the paste on  ![[Linked Image]](https://texashuntingforum.com/forum/pics/userpics/2019/02/full-1274-178677-stick.jpg)
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Re: Is it Purely a Supply vs Demand Issue
[Re: The Zen Master]
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02/19/19 10:45 PM
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Do any of you have any thoughts on why this is not a bad idea - without resorting to name-calling? ![[Linked Image]](https://texashuntingforum.com/forum/pics/userpics/2019/02/full-1274-178681-fart.jpg)
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Re: Is it Purely a Supply vs Demand Issue
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02/19/19 11:16 PM
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Quit feeding him. Stay quiet and he will go away.
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Re: Is it Purely a Supply vs Demand Issue
[Re: The Zen Master]
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02/19/19 11:17 PM
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Re: Is it Purely a Supply vs Demand Issue
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Quit feeding him. Stay quiet and he will go away. He got the boot for two weeks so we won't be hearing from him for a while......... 
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Re: Is it Purely a Supply vs Demand Issue
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Re: Is it Purely a Supply vs Demand Issue
[Re: Creekrunner]
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"Slick" website. I couldn't help noticing on the nice lady LO's testimonial - "and you get a nice check in the mail." Classic. What could possibly go wrong? And colt45 - Where in the state did someone pay $40K an acre for 300? So these guys contacted a friend of mine who sent this to me and wanted to meet Texas landowners. I know they are good business folks but managing wildlife is not done in a spreadsheet. I said sorry, all land is leased or privately hunted already in Texas and I would not recommend any landowners to talk with them. He knew it already. We already have private fishing clubs, plenty of places to camp and the hunting thing has been tried several times. Hell, our own members can light urn pile without catching the place on fire.  And yes, I did the calculations on that land as well!! Must have been leasing cow pasture and at Legacy and the Tollway.  Y'all stop talking prices. Our landowner might see this. We pay once a year and never cross paths. Don't even have a piece of paper. Never seen one in 10 years. There are leases out there. It is who you know though... Most don't want to pay the money even if it is $6.5 an acre and you get a section and MLD tags... I don't either until it is time.
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